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  • What do the stats tell us about foreign pitchers in MLB?

    I am not an Statician and never took a Statistics class in college. If any one has a background in Statistics, you are more than wellcome to provide your input. For instance, how much a large number or small number may affect the results.


    For all others Baseball-Fever users, you can also give your opinon about what you think about my findings.


    Mean: add up all the values in a set of data and then divide that sum by the number of values in the dataset.

    Median: the value in the middle.

    Standard deviation: the standard deviation is kind of the "mean of the mean," and often can help you find the story behind the data. To understand this concept, it can help to learn about what statisticians call normal distribution of data.

    A normal distribution of data means that most of the examples in a set of data are close to the "average," while relatively few examples tend to one extreme or the other.

    A large SD tells you that the data are fairly diverse, while a small SD tells you the data are pretty tightly bunched together. If you'll be doing a lot of work with numbers or scientific research, it will be worth your time to learn a bit about the standard deviation.



    http://www.robertniles.com/stats/


    Since 1993 when the first Cuban baseball player, Rene Arocha, defected, these are the pitchers and their MLB stats for the following countries.

    You may want to check my calculations because I may have made mistakes.

    Cuban Pitchers

    Player ERA

    13 players

    René Arocha 4.11
    Ariel Prieto 4.85
    Osvaldo Fernández 4.93
    Liván Hernández 4.11
    Rolando Arrojo 4.55
    Orlando "Duque" Hernández 4.11
    Vladimir Núñez 4.83
    Michael Tejera 5.14
    Adrián Hernández 6.55
    Eddie Oropesa 7.34
    Danys Báez 3.69
    Hansel Izquierdo 4.55
    José Contreras 4.28

    Total 63.04
    Ave ERA or Mean 4.85
    Median 4.55
    Standard Deviation 1.03



    Japanese Pitchers

    17 players

    Hideo Nomo 4.21
    Mac Suzuki 5.72
    Hideki Irabu 5.15
    Takashi Kashiwada 4.31
    Shigetoshi Hasegawa 3.71
    Masato Yoshii 4.62
    Tomo Ohka 3.95
    Masao Kida 5.83
    Kazuhiro Sasaki 3.14
    Satoru Komiyama 5.61
    Takahito Nomura 8.56
    Kazuhisa Ishii 4.44
    Mike Nakamura 7.51
    Shingo Takatsu 3.38
    Kazuhito Tadano 4.47
    Akinori Otsuka 2.57
    Keiichi Yabu 4.5

    Total 81.68
    Ave ERA or Mean 4.8
    Median 4.47
    Standard Deviation 1.52




    Venezuelan Pitchers

    33 players

    Omar Daal 4.55
    Carlos Pulido 5.98
    Juan Castillo 6.94
    Felipe Lira 5.32
    Dilson Torres 6.09
    Ugueth Urbina 3.45
    Edwin Hurtado 6.67
    Giovanni Carrara 4.7
    Alexander Pacheco 11.12
    Edgar Ramos 5.14
    Jeremi Gonzalez 4.84
    Kelvin Escobar 4.38
    Oscar Henriquez 6.06
    Freddy Garcia 3.93
    Beiker Graterol 15.75
    Horacio Estrada 7.5
    Orber Moreno 4.44
    Carlos Hernandez 4.54
    Antonio Armas Jr 4.32
    Johan Santana 3.31
    Ruben Quevedo 6.15
    Darwin Cubillan 6.85
    William Martinez 3
    Victor Zambrano 4.38
    Carlos Zambrano 3.26
    Carlos Silva 3.84
    Alex Herrera 5.11
    Francisco Rodriguez 2.44
    Wilfredo Ledezma 5.73
    Rosman Garcia 5.94
    Rafael Betancourt 3.08
    Eduardo Villacis 13.5
    Gustavo Chacin 3.65

    Total 185.96
    Ave ERA or Mean 5.64
    Median 4.84
    Standard Deviation 2.87


    Dominican Pitchers

    125 players - 3 players that have not stats = 112 players


    Domingo Jean 4.46
    Pedro Martínez 2.72
    Julian Tavárez 4.33
    Salomón Torres 4.48
    Miguel Jiménez 5.9
    Armando Benítez 2.92
    Héctor Carrasco 3.94
    José Lima 5.21
    José Martínez 6.75
    José Mercedes 4.75
    Luis Andújar 5.98
    Ramón Fermín 13.5
    Wilson Heredia 3.41
    Ramón Morel 4.98
    José Parra 6.09
    Carlos Pérez 4.44
    Alberto Reyes 3.6
    Félix Rodríguez 3.51
    Carlos Valdez 5
    Félix Heredia 4.42
    José Paniagua 4.49
    Rafael Quirico 37.8
    Nerio Rodríguez 6.32
    Amaury Telemaco 4.94
    Dario Veras 4.67
    Esteban Yan 5.12
    Antonio Alfonseca 3.95
    Carlos Almanzar 4.82
    Manny Aybar 5.11
    José Cabrera 4.95
    Robinson Checo 7.61
    Bartolo Colón 3.94
    Nelson Cruz 5.04
    Roberto Durán 6.58
    Fernando Hernández 40.5
    Julio Santana 5.26
    Ramón Tatis 6.82
    Valerio de los Santos 4.54
    Lariel González 0
    José Jimenez 4.92
    Odalis Pérez 4.07
    Rafael Roque 5.36
    Jesús Sanchez 5.32
    Marino Santana 7.94
    Juan Peña 0.69
    Guillermo Mota 3.61
    Damaso Marte 3.2
    Willis Roberts 4.64
    Luis Vizcaíno 4.36
    Hector Almonte 6.27
    Francisco Cordero 3.26
    Jesús Peña 5.21
    Ramón Ortíz 4.72
    Héctor Ramírez 5.4
    Domingo Guzmán 19.5
    Octavio Dotel 3.63
    Geraldo Guzmán 5.04
    Yovanny Lara 6.25
    Lorenzo Barcelo 4.5
    Pascual Coco 6.05
    Leo Estrella 4.88
    Leslie Brea 12.27
    Daniel A. Mota 8.44
    José Núñez 4.5
    Víctor Santos 4.99
    Wascar Serrano 6.56
    José Acevedo 5.74
    Jesús Colomé 4.7
    Joaquin Benoit 5.17
    Luis Pineda 4.44
    Juan Carlos Cruz 4.36
    Benito Báez 13.5
    Miguel Asencio 5.14
    Jorge Sosa 4.41
    Rafael Soriano 3.24
    Julio Mateo 3.56
    Fernando Rodney 4.52
    Duaner Sanchez 4.19
    Runelvys Hernández 5
    Reynaldo García 11.25
    Luis de los Santos
    Francis Beltrán 5.87
    Ricardo Rodríguez 5.18
    Franklyn Germán 4.75
    Aquilino López 3.72
    Claudio Vargas 4.96
    José Valverde 2.71
    Julio Mañon 4.13
    Rodrigo Rosario 1.13
    Edwin Almonte 11.12
    Juan Domínguez 4.6
    Félix Sánchez 10.8
    Luis Martínez 9.92
    Jorge de Paula 4
    Fraklin Graceski
    Félix Díaz 6.75
    Daniel Cabrera 4.75
    Franklin Francisco 3.33
    Anastacio Martínez 8.44
    Denny Bautista 7.03
    Elizardo Ramírez 6.99
    Eddy Rodríguez 4.78
    Arnie Muñoz 10.05
    Bartolomé Fortunato 3.81
    Gregori Aquino 5.27
    Roberto Novoa 4.8
    Merkin Valdez 27
    Yhency Brazoban 4.44
    Jairo García 9.35
    Jorge Vázquez
    Franklin Núñez 7.47
    Román Colón 5.09
    Jerry Gil 0
    Pedro Liriano 6.17
    José Capellán 5.7
    Francisco Cruceta 9.39

    Total 711.15
    Ave ERA or Mean 6.35
    Median 4.97
    Standard Deviation 5.5






    Puerto Rican Pitchers

    24 players

    Angel Miranda 4.46
    Bobby Munoz 5.17
    Jose Alberro 7.41
    Rafael Carmona 4.94
    Michael James 3.67
    Ricardo Jordan 5.25
    Roberto Rivera 4.5
    Frankie Rodriguez 5.53
    Jose Rosado 4.27
    Jose Santiago 4.36
    Javier Martinez 4.83
    Juan Romero 4.35
    Javier Vazquez 4.28
    Hector Mercado 4.55
    Jose Rodriguez 9
    Nelson Figueroa 4.65
    Ismael Villegas 13.5
    Joel Pineiro 4.11
    Dicky Gonzalez 5.02
    Pedro Feliciano 4.21
    Javier Lopez 6.09
    Kiko Calero 2.97
    Juan Padilla 4.06
    Fernando Cabrera 1.75

    Total 122.93
    Ave ERA or Mean 5.12
    Median 4.6
    Standard Deviation 2.25


    Mexican Pitchers

    26 players

    Ismael Valdez 4.09
    Juan Acevedo 4.33
    Cesar Tavo Alvarez 5.4
    Andres Berumen 5.66
    Esteban Loiza 4.6
    Isidro Marquez 6.75
    Antonio Osuna 3.68
    Francisco Cordova 3.96
    Elmer Dessens 4.4
    Jose Silva 5.41
    Rigoberto Beltran 4.4
    Dennis Reyes 4.8
    Ricardo Rincon 3.53
    Roberto Ramirez 7.69
    Miguel del Toro 4.61
    David Cortes 4.55
    Luis Rivera 1.23
    Daniel Garibay 6.03
    Rodrigo Lopez 4.56
    Oliver Perez 4.26
    Victor Alvarez 7.31
    Luis Ayala 2.75
    Oscar Villareal 3.47
    Edgar Gonzalez 8.58
    Juan Cerros 4.85
    Jorge de la Rosa 5.12


    Total 126.02
    Ave ERA or Mean 4.85
    Median 4.58
    Standard Deviation 1.5

  • #2
    I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but I think that the average should be weighted by innings pitched to be more meaningful. Treating Pedro's Martinez' 2.72 ERA the same as Domingo Guzman's 19.50 ERA in 6 innings pitched doesn't make much sense to me. Adjusting the median for this is a little more difficult for me to conceptualize.
    "I throw him four wide ones, then try to pick him off first base." - Preacher Roe on pitching to Musial

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    • #3
      i'm lost about the point as well - i guess it might have some minimal interest to see the numbers laid out like this but what the hell does their era have to do with what country they were born in?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bkmckenna
        i'm lost about the point as well - i guess it might have some minimal interest to see the numbers laid out like this but what the hell does their era have to do with what country they were born in?
        This is a lot of work. I looked the names and the stats of all MLB pitchers from these countries since 1993. I got a spreadsheet where I sorted the numbers from the smallest to highest. The problem is cutting and pasting the names.

        I am trying to compare the stats among players from different countries. Specially, I like to see how Cuban players stats compare to other foreing players.

        Because we have disparity among the number of players per country, I like to get the input from a Statiscian.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cubano100%
          This is a lot of work. I looked the names and the stats of all MLB pitchers from these countries since 1993. I got a spreadsheet where I sorted the numbers from the smallest to highest. The problem is cutting and pasting the names.

          I am trying to compare the stats among players from different countries. Specially, I like to see how Cuban players stats compare to other foreing players.

          Because we have disparity among the number of players per country, I like to get the input from a Statiscian.

          Try this: Sum all the innings pitched for every pitcher of a group (say dominicans) and calculate their ERA

          If you take an average of a pitcher who allowed 1 in 1 inning (9.00 ERA) and a pitcher who allowed 15 runs in 200 innings (0.67 ERA), their average would be 4.84... BUT THEIR COMBINED ERA would be 0.72...

          So in this case... 2 plus 2 aint 4... YOU HAVE TO CALCULATE THE ERA BASED IN INNING PITCHED, NOT JUST THE NUMBER
          Licey campeón today and always!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cubano100%
            This is a lot of work. I looked the names and the stats of all MLB pitchers from these countries since 1993. I got a spreadsheet where I sorted the numbers from the smallest to highest. The problem is cutting and pasting the names.

            I am trying to compare the stats among players from different countries. Specially, I like to see how Cuban players stats compare to other foreing players.

            Because we have disparity among the number of players per country, I like to get the input from a Statiscian.
            Hi, Cubano. As a suggestion, why don't you present this to those in the sabermetrics forum? They may be willing to help you in what you are trying to find from the numbers.

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            • #7
              Cubano, I could move this to the SABR forum, if you'd like this to be done.

              As mentioned here, it's not just individuals' pitchers having their ERA being treated equally, then summed up and averaged, but that average would also have to include the total number of innings pitched.

              Just as in one hitter who has 500-600 at bats during a season, you've got far more to go on, and if you throw in a bench guy or an NL pitcher who has about 90 ABs or so, then averaging these two out doesn't really seem to represent a fair analysis.

              Perhaps you could benefit from an explanation of the facts, since as you'd stated in the opening post, you're not fully up on these stats. Perhaps someone there could be better suited to explain them to you, offering advice, links, term definitions, etc.
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              • #8
                Allright people! It is time to get back to baseball. I calculated the different countries ERA. I missed a couple Dominican pitchers so I added them to the list. The lowest team ERAs are as follow:

                Venezuelan Pitchers

                ERA ER IP

                Omar Daal 4.55 606 1198.2
                Carlos Pulido 5.98 74 111.1
                Juan Castillo 6.94 9 11.2
                Felipe Lira 5.32 341 577.1
                Dilson Torres 6.09 30 44.1
                Ugueth Urbina 3.45 267 697.1
                Edwin Hurtado 6.67 107 144.1
                Giovanni Carrara 4.7 232 444.2
                Alexander Pacheco 11.12 7 5.2
                Edgar Ramos 5.14 8 14
                Jeremi Gonzalez 4.84 278 516.2
                Kelvin Escobar 4.38 543 1117
                Oscar Henriquez 6.06 35 52
                Freddy Garcia 3.93 623 1427.1
                Beiker Graterol 15.75 7 4
                Horacio Estrada 7.5 30 36
                Orber Moreno 4.44 25 50.2
                Carlos Hernandez 4.54 86 170.2
                Antonio Armas Jr 4.32 320 666.1
                Johan Santana 3.31 315 856
                Ruben Quevedo 6.15 223 326.1
                Darwin Cubillan 6.85 53 69.2
                William Martinez 3 1 3
                Victor Zambrano 4.38 322 662
                Carlos Zambrano 3.26 276 763
                Carlos Silva 3.84 240 562.2
                Alex Herrera 5.11 7 12.1
                Francisco Rodriguez 2.44 66 243
                Wilfredo Ledezma 5.73 119 187
                Rosman Garcia 5.94 35 53
                Rafael Betancourt 3.08 59 172.1
                Eduardo Villacis 13.5 5 3.1
                Gustavo Chacin 3.65 88 217

                Total 185.96 5437 11413.9
                Ave ERA 5.64
                Team ERA 4.29



                Japanese Pitchers

                17 players
                ERA ER IP
                Hideo Nomo 4.21 923 1972
                Mac Suzuki 5.72 296 465.2
                Hideki Irabu 5.15 294 514
                Takashi Kashiwada 4.31 15 31.1
                Shigetoshi Hasegawa 3.71 297 720.1
                Masato Yoshii 4.62 389 757.1
                Tomo Ohka 3.95 371 846
                Masao Kida 5.83 62 95.2
                Kazuhiro Sasaki 3.14 78 223.1
                Satoru Komiyama 5.61 27 43.1
                Takahito Nomura 8.56 13 13.2
                Kazuhisa Ishii 4.44 278 564
                Mike Nakamura 7.51 32 38.1
                Shingo Takatsu 3.38 37 98.2
                Kazuhito Tadano 4.47 27 54.1
                Akinori Otsuka 2.57 40 140
                Keiichi Yabu 4.5 29 58

                Total 81.68 3208 6632.5
                Ave ERA 4.8
                Team ERA 4.35


                Mexican Pitchers

                ERA ER IP

                Ismael Valdez 4.09 830 1827.1
                Juan Acevedo 4.33 274 570
                Cesar Tavo Alvarez 5.4 35 58.1
                Andres Berumen 5.66 30 47.2
                Esteban Loaiza 4.6 960 1880
                Isidro Marquez 6.75 5 6.2
                Antonio Osuna 3.68 200 488.2
                Francisco Cordova 3.96 332 753.2
                Elmer Dessens 4.4 479 979.2
                Jose Silva 5.41 257 427.1
                Rigoberto Beltran 4.4 52 106.1
                Dennis Reyes 4.8 277 519.2
                Ricardo Rincon 3.53 171 436.1
                Roberto Ramirez 7.69 47 55
                Miguel del Toro 4.61 21 41
                David Cortes 4.55 30 59.1
                Luis Rivera 1.23 1 7.1
                Daniel Garibay 6.03 50 74.2
                Rodrigo Lopez 4.56 379 748.1
                Oliver Perez 4.26 244 515.2
                Victor Alvarez 7.31 13 16
                Luis Ayala 2.75 71 232.1
                Oscar Villareal 3.47 50 129.2
                Edgar Gonzalez 8.58 62 65
                Juan Cerros 4.85 7 13
                Jorge de la Rosa 5.12 37 65


                Total 126.02 4914 10117.7
                Ave ERA 4.85
                Team ERA 4.37


                Cuban Pitchers

                Player ERA ER IP
                13 players
                René Arocha 4.11 151 331
                Ariel Prieto 4.85 190 352.1
                Osvaldo Fernández 4.93 212 387
                Liván Hernández 4.11 891 1950.2
                Rolando Arrojo 4.55 354 700
                Orlando "Duque" Hernández 4.11 459 1004.2
                Vladimir Núñez 4.83 219 408.1
                Michael Tejera 5.14 136 238.1
                Adrián Hernández 6.55 32 44
                Eddie Oropesa 7.34 75 92
                Danys Báez 3.69 177 431.2
                Hansel Izquierdo 4.55 15 29.2
                José Contreras 4.28 212 446

                Total 63.04 3123 6413.1
                Ave ERA 4.85
                Team ERA 4.38



                Dominican Pitchers

                ERA ER IP

                Domingo Jean 4.46 20 40.1
                Pedro Martínez 2.72 759 2513
                Julian Tavárez 4.33 520 1081.1
                Salomón Torres 4.48 309 621.1
                Miguel Jiménez 5.9 40 61
                Armando Benítez 2.92 222 684
                Héctor Carrasco 3.94 304 693.2
                José Lima 5.21 898 1550.1
                José Martínez 6.75 9 12
                José Mercedes 4.75 308 583
                Luis Andújar 5.98 82 123.1
                Ramón Fermín 13.5 2 1.1
                Wilson Heredia 3.41 12 31.2
                Ramón Morel 4.98 33 59.2
                José Parra 6.09 123 181.2
                Carlos Pérez 4.44 406 822.2
                Alberto Reyes 3.6 138 345.1
                Félix Rodríguez 3.51 217 557
                Carlos Valdez 5 10 18
                Félix Heredia 4.42 225 458.1
                José Paniagua 4.49 178 357
                Rafael Quirico 37.8 7 1.2
                Nerio Rodríguez 6.32 51 72.2
                Amaury Telemaco 4.94 308 561
                Dario Veras 4.67 32 61.2
                Esteban Yan 5.12 374 658
                Antonio Alfonseca 3.95 240 547.1
                Carlos Almanzar 4.82 128 239
                Manny Aybar 5.11 222 391
                José Cabrera 4.95 149 271
                Robinson Checo 7.61 31 36.2
                Bartolo Colón 3.94 797 1819.2
                Nelson Cruz 5.04 195 348.1
                Roberto Durán 6.58 19 26
                Fernando Hernández 40.5 6 1.1
                Julio Santana 5.26 275 470.2
                Ramón Tatis 6.82 51 67.1
                Valerio de los Santos 4.54 125 248
                Lariel González 0 0 1
                José Jimenez 4.92 285 521.1
                Odalis Pérez 4.07 412 911.2
                Rafael Roque 5.36 82 137.2
                Jesús Sanchez 5.32 310 524.2
                Marino Santana 7.94 10 11.1
                Juan Peña 0.69 1 13
                Guillermo Mota 3.61 186 464.1
                Damaso Marte 3.2 108 304
                Willis Roberts 4.64 134 259.2
                Luis Vizcaíno 4.36 167 344.2
                Hector Almonte 6.27 36 51.2
                Francisco Cordero 3.26 133 367.1
                Jesús Peña 5.21 27 46.2
                Ramón Ortíz 4.72 559 1065
                Héctor Ramírez 5.4 18 30
                Domingo Guzmán 19.5 13 6
                Octavio Dotel 3.63 242 600.1
                Geraldo Guzmán 5.04 39 69.2
                Yovanny Lara 6.25 4 5.2
                Lorenzo Barcelo 4.5 33 66
                Pascual Coco 6.05 13 19.1
                Leo Estrella 4.88 39 72
                Leslie Brea 12.27 15 11
                Daniel A. Mota 8.44 5 5.1
                José Núñez 4.5 30 60
                Víctor Santos 4.99 235 423.2
                Wascar Serrano 6.56 34 46.2
                José Acevedo 5.74 235 368.1
                Jesús Colomé 4.7 131 250.2
                Joaquin Benoit 5.17 221 384.2
                Luis Pineda 4.44 25 50.2
                Juan Carlos Cruz 4.36 149 307.2
                Benito Báez 13.5 14 9.1
                Miguel Asencio 5.14 98 171.2
                Jorge Sosa 4.41 226 461.1
                Rafael Soriano 3.24 40 111
                Julio Mateo 3.56 100 252.2
                Fernando Rodney 4.52 46 91.2
                Duaner Sanchez 4.19 81 174
                Runelvys Hernández 5 181 325.2
                Reynaldo García 11.25 25 20
                Luis de los Santos
                Francis Beltrán 5.87 40 61.1
                Ricardo Rodríguez 5.18 119 206.2
                Franklyn Germán 4.75 66 125
                Aquilino López 3.72 46 111.1
                Claudio Vargas 4.96 201 364.2
                José Valverde 2.71 44 146.1
                Julio Mañon 4.13 13 28.1
                Rodrigo Rosario 1.13 1 8
                Edwin Almonte 11.12 14 11.1
                Juan Domínguez 4.6 56 109.2
                Félix Sánchez 10.8 2 1.2
                Luis Martínez 9.92 18 16.1
                Jorge de Paula 4 12 27
                Fraklin Graceski
                Félix Díaz 6.75 37 49.1
                Daniel Cabrera 4.75 163 309
                Franklin Francisco 3.33 19 51.1
                Anastacio Martínez 8.44 10 10.2
                Denny Bautista 7.03 51 65.1
                Elizardo Ramírez 6.99 29 37.1
                Eddy Rodríguez 4.78 23 43.1
                Arnie Muñoz 10.05 16 14.1
                Bartolomé Fortunato 3.81 11 26
                Gregori Aquino 5.27 39 66.2
                Roberto Novoa 4.8 35 65.2
                Merkin Valdez 27 5 1.2
                Yhency Brazoban 4.44 52 105.1
                Jairo García 9.35 9 8.2
                Jorge Vázquez
                Franklin Núñez 7.47 13 15.2
                Román Colón 5.09 50 88.1
                Jerry Gil 0
                Pedro Liriano 6.17 16 23.1
                José Capellán 5.7
                Francisco Cruceta 9.39
                Erwin Santana 4.65 69 133.2
                Ambiorix Burgos
                Ezequiel Astacio 5.67 51 81
                Leo Nunez 7.55 45 53.2
                Robinson Tejada
                Wandy Rodriguez 5.53 79 128.2
                Joel Peralta 3.89 15 34.2
                Franquelis Osoria 3.94 13 29.2
                Eude Brito 3.68 9 22
                Edison Volquez 14.21 20 12.2
                Francisco Liriano 5.7 15 23.2


                Total 711.15 14093 28604.3
                Ave ERA 6.35
                Team ERA 4.43



                Puerto Rican Pitchers

                ERA ER IP
                Angel Miranda 4.46 180 363.1
                Bobby Munoz 5.17 160 278.1
                Jose Alberro 7.41 48 58.1
                Rafael Carmona 4.94 85 155
                Michael James 3.67 128 314
                Ricardo Jordan 5.25 41 70.1
                Roberto Rivera 4.5 6 12
                Frankie Rodriguez 5.53 402 654
                Jose Rosado 4.27 342 720.1
                Jose Santiago 4.36 145 299
                Javier Martinez 4.83 22 41
                Juan Romero 4.35 197 407.2
                Javier Vazquez 4.28 782 1643
                Hector Mercado 4.55 63 124.2
                Jose Rodriguez 9 8 8
                Nelson Figueroa 4.65 135 261.1
                Ismael Villegas 13.5 4 2.2
                Joel Pineiro 4.11 379 830.1
                Dicky Gonzalez 5.02 37 66.1
                Pedro Feliciano 4.21 34 72.2
                Javier Lopez 6.09 78 115.1
                Kiko Calero 2.97 46 139.1
                Juan Padilla 4.06 28 62
                Fernando Cabrera 1.75 7 36

                Total 122.93 3357 6730.8
                Ave ERA 5.12
                Team ERA 4.49

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cubano100%
                  Allright people! It is time to get back to baseball. I calculated the different countries ERA. I missed a couple Dominican pitchers so I added them to the list. The lowest team ERAs are as follow:

                  Venezuelan Pitchers
                  Ave ERA 5.64
                  Team ERA 4.29[/B]


                  Japanese Pitchers

                  Ave ERA 4.8
                  Team ERA 4.35[/B]


                  Mexican Pitchers

                  Ave ERA 4.85
                  Team ERA 4.37


                  Cuban Pitchers

                  Ave ERA 4.85
                  Team ERA 4.38[/B]


                  Dominican Pitchers

                  Ave ERA 6.35
                  Team ERA 4.43 [/B]


                  Puerto Rican Pitchers

                  Ave ERA 5.12
                  Team ERA 4.49[/B]
                  OK, it's easier to read this way... Now make your point

                  If you were going to say that venezuela has the best pitching per country,that's definetly true... And that's why the team I fear the most, and I think is vastly underrated for the WBC is Venezuela... They have a killer staff!!!
                  Licey campeón today and always!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Licey Fan
                    OK, it's easier to read this way... Now make your point

                    If you were going to say that venezuela has the best pitching per country,that's definetly true... And that's why the team I fear the most, and I think is vastly underrated for the WBC is Venezuela... They have a killer staff!!!
                    I'm curious, how do you evaluate pitchers if the capabilities of the hitters haven't been asserted? I'm not saying we run through every single offensive stat there is, but unless the Venezuelan league pitchers have faced others, and most notably MLB sluggers, I'm not sure what to go on.

                    I'm not trying to belittle anyone, but if you have excellent pitchers and excellent hitters, you could come up with identical stats as so-so pitchers and so-so hitters. To me, in order to establish one, you'd have to make them face the same type of hitters over a period of time. Otherwise, who knows where the strength or weakness may lie?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Licey Fan
                      OK, it's easier to read this way... Now make your point

                      If you were going to say that venezuela has the best pitching per country,that's definetly true... And that's why the team I fear the most, and I think is vastly underrated for the WBC is Venezuela... They have a killer staff!!!

                      No, Licey. You know I am dissapointed with some American journalists that trash Cuban players without digging into the facts. I hope some journalists read some of my posts. I was just trying to compare them to other countries. I always thought they have done remarkable well taking into consideration that some came old and all the extra stuff they had to deal with.

                      Stay tune everybody for my next little project. I am going to find the Cuban stats for every defector. I am sure I will find out that most of them were not worth a dime in Cuba nor in the USA.

                      Always remember, the best Cuban talent is still in the island. Kendry Morales, Yuniesky Betancourt, Alain Soler, Juan Miranda and Hassan Pena have talent and youth. Therefore, they are going to do well.

                      If Cuba is allowed to come, the death bracket is the one with the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Puerto Rico and Cuba.
                      Last edited by Cubano100%; 01-07-2006, 05:09 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cubano100%
                        No, Licey. You know I am dissapointed with some American journalists that trash Cuban players without digging into the facts. I hope some journalists read some of my posts. I was just trying to compare them to other countries. I always thought they have done remarkable well taking into consideration that some come old and all the extra stuff they have to deal with.

                        Stay tune everybody for my next little project. I am going to find the Cuban stats for every defector. I am sure I will find out that most of them were not worth a dime in Cuba nor in the USA.

                        Always remember, the best Cuban talent is still in the island. Kendry Morales, Yuniesky Betancourt, Alain Soler, Juan Miranda and Hassan Pena have talent and youth. Therefore, they are going to do well.

                        If Cuba is allowed to come, the death bracket is the one with the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Puerto Rico and Cuba.
                        Were these stats compared exclusively against players for their same country? Or were they in mixed competition? I presume the former.

                        How do you say that someone's a better pitcher if, like in my last post, the capabilities of the hitters aren't established there?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mattingly
                          Were these stats compared exclusively against players for their same country? Or were they in mixed competition? I presume the former.

                          How do you say that someone's a better pitcher if, like in my last post, the capabilities of the hitters aren't established there?

                          These are major league pitchers and their MLB stats. I collected their MLB stats and ran the calculations.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cubano100%
                            This is a lot of work. I looked the names and the stats of all MLB pitchers from these countries since 1993. I got a spreadsheet where I sorted the numbers from the smallest to highest. The problem is cutting and pasting the names.

                            I am trying to compare the stats among players from different countries. Specially, I like to see how Cuban players stats compare to other foreing players.

                            Because we have disparity among the number of players per country, I like to get the input from a Statiscian.

                            There's no question this is a lot of work, but presented this way, I can't see that this data tells us much at all, especially about Cuba. There are more guys from the Dominican who were good enough to get a shot in the majors. Of course, the Cubans haven't exactly been granted the access to the majors the Dominicans have. So, that fact doesn't tell us much. But comparing 13 or 14 Cubans to what, 50 Dominicans means even less. There's no showing that the Cubans who had the chance are a representative sample. Even if we exclude the Cubans and their unique situation, all I might be able to draw from this data is basically how many pitchers each country has provided who are good enough to have met certain criteria. Making the majors is one such criteria. Another might be those who were good enough to stick around a few years (say 120 games in relief or 500 IP, or some other criteria). If you want to try to refine the issue of skill, you might try to add ERA as a criteria (an ERA under 4.00 in at least 500 IP, for example).

                            This data could be related back to how they performed in leagues at home, but that would require more data. If you could do that, it would at least help us evaluate the quality of play in those leagues back home.

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                            • #15
                              I agree, but at a minimum, it does sort of refute the popular perception that Cubans, and particularly Cuban pitchers, have been a bust. The media was down on Contreras after 3 starts, while guys like Pavano get a free pass. The bottom line is, the combined contracts given to just Hideki Irabu and Kaz Matsui exceed those given to ALL 70-PLUS CUBAN DEFECTORS not named Jose Contreras. You would not know this, however, from the various slants in the MLB media.

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