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  • Many Dominicans Will be (Upset) at A Rod's Decision!

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  • #2
    Let's see ... A-Rod was born in U.S. (presumably because his Dominican parents felt he would have a better life in U.S.), has lived in U.S. his entire life, was educated in U.S., works in U.S., and became a multimillionaire at age 18 in U.S., but he's a Dominican first?

    That's the dumbest thing I ever heard. If A-Rod isn't an American first and foremost, then NONE of us are.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by DominicanPlayer
      What exactly does that article say in English?

      Some have wondered aloud why Mike Piazza is playing for Italy, despite his having been born here, but is of Italian-American heritage.

      Hideki Matsui didn't wish to choose between his native Japan and the USA, so he declined. Can you offer any reason why Dominican fans would be upset that Alex Rodriguez chose to play for a country in which his parents came from, but not himself?
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      • #4
        in latin countries, family ties are strong. rodriguez is thought of as one of their own, two-three.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by west coast orange and black
          in latin countries, family ties are strong. rodriguez is thought of as one of their own, two-three.
          Family ties are pretty strong in many nationalities. He's Caribbean, and many families there would also have strong ties. Puerto Rico, Aruba, Jamaica, Haiti, Grenada, Trinidad, etc.

          Hideki Matsui, as mentioned in a similar thread in the NYY forum, was both born in Japan and played there professionally for 10 years. I see his ties to Japan being stronger than Rodriguez' ties to the DR, but that's just me.

          Last I heard, the USA is a country, and since that's where he was born, why can't he play for the country where he was born? If that's not the case, then who does play for the American team then? Most people are from elsewhere anyway, per the countless immigrants coming through Ellis Island?
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          • #6
            It's just insanity. 95% of the people in D.R. want to move to U.S., but now A-Rod is some sort of traitor for playing for the country he was born in and has lived in his entire life.

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            • #7
              If the country you were born calls you, you got to go and represent that flag. So ARod should play for the USA. If USA does not need him or does not want him, maybe he can play for another country.

              This is turning into a Spanish Soap Opera. Specially, one of those really bad and low quality Soap Operas shown on Telemundo or Univision.

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              • #8
                Couple of quick points that need to be made (or repeated):

                Mattingly: Piazza is able to play for Italy under the crazy rules for WBC. However, even under these crazy rules, Matsui could not (and no special ancestral exemption would be sought in order for him to) play for the US.

                Now, for my opinion: A-Rod created this controversy by first suggesting that he would play for the DR. Most people assumed that he would play for his native US. (As a contrast, there is no suggestion that Manny would play for the US, and he never raised the possibility himself). By first entertaining the idea of playing for the DR, A-Rod made it impossible to then turn around and not play for the DR and play instead for the US. He could have very easily come right out and said that he would play for his native US and that would have been the end of the story. For e.g., nobody is saying that Nomar should play for Mexico.

                My theories: #1--I think this whole thing is a smokescreen. Note that big name Yankees are not yet committed to playing. My theory is that Steinbrenner does not want the meat of his $200 million annual investment futzing around in a meaningless (to him) tournament. So, I'd expect no A-Rod, no Matsui. I still haven't yet heard whether Sheffield, Unit, or Jeter will play for the US. If anyone is aware of a positive Yankee committment to play, let me know. (In this same vein, I am suspicious of Pedro's toe injury).

                #2--another thing that A-Rod, Matsui, and Sheffield (and for that matter, Bonds) have in common is that they are big (too big?) and hit the ball far. WBC will have more stringent testing for steroids than MLB. If any player is taking steroids and is worried about getting caught, I expect them to make up some lame excuse and duck out of the tournament.

                Obviously, it is too early to say. But let's count the number of Yankees that play in the WBC. Let's also count how many big-name players with bad acne and zits on their backs come up with a reason not to play.

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                • #9
                  First of all. Americans dont really consider anybody whos parents are foreign to be really an American. even if the kid was born here in the USA. Well many of them think that way.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DominicanPlayer
                    First of all. Americans dont really consider anybody whos parents are foreign to be really an American. even if the kid was born here in the USA. Well many of them think that way.
                    One of the reasons this forum is working is ridiculously unfounded stereotypes aren't getting thrown out in abundance. I guess this one has to go on that list.
                    That must be the reason why Dukakis lost the Presidency in 1988.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Bonus
                      I still haven't yet heard whether Sheffield, Unit, or Jeter will play for the US. If anyone is aware of a positive Yankee committment to play, let me know. (In this same vein, I am suspicious of Pedro's toe injury).

                      I won't address the A-Rod issue again... Is pointless... Is his life, and his career... He can do whatever he wants...

                      About your question... Jeter's committed to team USA, so I've read...
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                      • #12
                        i believe it matters not how we see the players, two-three, rather, how they see themselves.
                        "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                        • #13
                          i, too, find it interesting that the yankee players have been relatively quiet on the tournament.

                          also, bonds eagerly signed on to play rather early on, bonus. he stated that it was dream of his to play in the olympics and wbc is the next biggest thing.
                          his marquee name was recognized as being very valuable, so wbc and u.s. officials sought him out early for commitment.
                          this occurred after it was established that wada-testing would take place.
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                          • #14
                            mattingly: What exactly does that article say in English?


                            the soap opera that is mounting regarding alex rodriguez’ possible participation in the world baseball classic has released a new chapter with the rumor that he will don the uniform of the united states.

                            according to the new york times, rodriguez, winner of the 2005 american league most valuable player award, is said to announce his final decision this week as to whether he will play for the united states.

                            for the past month rodriguez had said that he would not play in the classic because he did not want to insult the united states, where he was born, nor the dominican republic, where one of his parents was born.

                            rodriguez has the option and the right to play with either of those two teams.

                            the journalist’s source does not explain the reason(s) why rodriguez, if in fact he has made his final decision to play in the wbc, has had a change of attitude.

                            although more than 200 big leaguers are committed to play in the first round of the wbc, it is still not guaranteed that cuban players can enter the united states.

                            already committed to play for the united states are derek jeter and johnny damon, both teammates of rodriguez. two yankee players who could also see wbc play are bernie williams, for puerto rico, and second baseman robinson cano, for the dominican republic.

                            yankee outfielder hideki matsui has already stated that he will not participate in the classic.

                            16 nations are divided into four groups in the round-robin play. teams will be in the united states for round 2 play, and the top four teams advance to the semifinals in san diego from march 18 - 20 of next year [2006].

                            after this initial tournament, play is next scheduled for 2009, and then every four years thereafter.

                            wbc organizers hope that if cuba does participate another country will soon be selected to take its place. countries that refuse to participate in the classic might be banned from olympic games play.
                            "you don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. just get people to stop reading them." -ray bradbury

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by west coast orange and black
                              i, too, find it interesting that the yankee players have been relatively quiet on the tournament.

                              also, bonds eagerly signed on to play rather early on, bonus. he stated that it was dream of his to play in the olympics and wbc is the next biggest thing.
                              his marquee name was recognized as being very valuable, so wbc and u.s. officials sought him out early for commitment.
                              this occurred after it was established that wada-testing would take place.
                              I haven't followed it on a per-team basis, but how many teams that routinely make the playoffs are sending players? The Braves have been doing this longer than the Yanks, so how many players are they sending?

                              As to Bonds, I'm not sure what his physical condition is right now, but he had several months off. Alex usually plays 160+ games/year.

                              Had that thing been in February, it may be different. I still don't like that players have to go from one nation to the next right in the middle of spring training. Do you think any NFL players would play in any international gridiron games right in the middle of their pre-season?

                              I'm guessing that the WBC is great for the fans, but for the players, it may be like Interleague: nice, but just another game. This time, it's an exhibition.

                              Guys not only have to play, but play well. I remember Bonds, A-Rod and others played in Japan around November or December 2004 in an exhibition game. Still, they were relatively warmed up. I think that had the WBC been after the season, rather than during the pre-season, that may get more people interested.

                              Important culturally, but with guys expected to put on a show, when they may only be doing so-so after a long winter, I sometimes wish they'd just not repeat this next season, or at least find a better time.

                              As an example, look at the All-Star Game. Pitchers love to appear, but they may only face 1-2 batters, especially if they are in a set cycle for when they'll pitch next. So what if someone plays and twists an ankle? What if a guy gets HBP? True, you're risking that in every game, but at least those count.

                              I like the idea, but while I can understand people wanting to see baseball played on a truly international level, I don't expect all-out performances, especially in March.
                              Last edited by Mattingly; 01-07-2006, 11:37 AM.
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