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  • #31
    Originally posted by jalbright View Post
    I don't typically think about players until they are done. With guys who come over to MLB, I like to see evidence from the time they were here that they really were as good as the MLEs from Japan suggest when they were in MLB for at least a few years.

    Don't have anything new to say about Koyama.

    Koji Yamamoto is the next to last player. I'd take him and Fukumoto. Fukumoto is not a power hitter, so he translates better than many ahead of him in NPB history.
    Thanks Jim.
    Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
    http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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    • #32
      Stieb posted a thread on top 25 pitchers shy of HOF: https://www.baseball-fever.com/forum...ck-25-pitchers

      Checking to see if your opinion remains the same on your pitcher NPB evaluations:

      Your rating system has the following:
      4 - Victor Starffin
      7 - Jiro Noguchi - not in your personal hall
      9 - Kazuhisa Inao
      13 - Takehiko Bessho (Akira?)
      15 - Masachi Kaneda
      18 - Hideo Fujimoto - not in your personal hall
      31 - Shigeo Sugihista - in your personal hall
      90 - Yutaka Enatsu - in your personal hall
      Tetsuya Yoneda - rank but in hall?

      As an aside, I hope Yu Darvish continues to pitch excellent to make him an interesting combo NPB/MLB case.

      Thank you sir!
      Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
      http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
        As an aside, I hope Yu Darvish continues to pitch excellent to make him an interesting combo NPB/MLB case.
        Yes, since the 2019 and 2020 seasons look to add almost 6 additional career WAR and 4 additional career WAA to Darvish's ledger, I'm curious how much that pushes him up the list, particularly vis a vis other Japanese pitchers.

        It's probably fair to say at this point that Darvish is the third greatest combo (MLB/NPB) case after Ichiro and Godzilla, is it not?
        "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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        • #34
          Hello Jim, where do you place Kohei Matsuda among contributor/executive candidates?

          Per hat tip from Stieb, Matsuda's Hiroshima Carp won 6 pennants and 3 series under his ownership, implemented an improved scouting system, and started training camp in U.S. according to Baseball Reference.
          Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
          http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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          • #35
            That's one I hadn't heard. Typically, the companies that run the Japanese teams aren't good at it. They're corporate types who for whatever reason wind up running a baseball team. They oftern don't understand the game, nor even seem to care a lot. The Carp were long a doormat of the Central League, but in the 70s with Koji Yamamoto were a power, so I assume that is the era we're talking about here. I'd have to look at the managerial issue and whatnot to give a good answer.
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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            • #36
              They did hire a good manager, Koba I can't find good English sources on him, which makes it tough. I guess I could go for him, but with the light info I have, I wouldn't push it because there's too much I don't know.
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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              • #37
                Thanks on the fast and helpful response
                Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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