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    Eric and I have done a lot of work together on NPB players, and maybe before Christmas but no later than early in 2021, they'll be doing a long series on them. I'm told it will last months.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    We have a Christmas present! The series is started! https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2020/1...-pro-baseball/
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    • #3
      Ba-ba-bump!

      https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2020/1...eball-players/

      Happy New Year!
      Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
      http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
        Very excited for this! Can't wait to see what they come up with for Starffin, Nomura, etc. Also someone like star second baseman Shigeru Chiba who played in a low offensive era and missed several seasons during WWII. Hopefully Oh gets added to several Personal Halls after these results.

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        • #5
          From today's post, a weekly Thursday update is being planned through April this year.
          Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
          http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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          • #6
            Two articles down:

            https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...-npb-catchers/

            https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...asemen-part-i/

            Top players so far:

            Katsuya Nomura - 83 WAR / 52 WAA - C
            Shinnouske Abe - 52 WAR / 25 WAA - C
            Koichi Tabuchi - 43 WAR / 17 WAA - C

            Sadaharu Oh - 125 WAR / 85 WAA - 1B
            Tetsuhara Kawakami - ~50 WAR / 20 WAA - 1B - depends on war credit and translation to weaker leagues of early Japan ball.
            Kihachi Enomoto - 48 WAR / 20 WAA - 1B
            Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
            http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
              Two articles down:

              https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...-npb-catchers/

              https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...asemen-part-i/

              Top players so far:

              Katsuya Nomura - 83 WAR / 52 WAA - C
              Shinnouske Abe - 52 WAR / 25 WAA - C
              Koichi Tabuchi - 43 WAR / 17 WAA - C

              Sadaharu Oh - 125 WAR / 85 WAA - 1B
              Tetsuhara Kawakami - ~50 WAR / 20 WAA - 1B - depends on war credit and translation to weaker leagues of early Japan ball.
              Kihachi Enomoto - 48 WAR / 20 WAA - 1B
              Are these numbers relative to their league or scaled to compare to MLB?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post

                Are these numbers relative to their league or scaled to compare to MLB?
                Scaled to MLB, league #s included and are WAAAAAAY higher.
                Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post

                  Scaled to MLB, league #s included and are WAAAAAAY higher.
                  Thanks. Never even attempted to look at NPB players into PARC-D.
                  1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

                  1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

                  1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


                  The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                  The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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                  • #10
                    My research seconds most of Eric's findings, though he used some of my research to arrive at the values used to arrive at his results. We don't line up perfectly by any means, nor, given the disparate methods we use to get the MLEs, should we. Abe did become mostly a 1B in 2014, and he didn't hit well enough by that time to hold a MLB 1B job at his age IMHO. That causes me to rate him lower than ERic.
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                    • #11
                      A pot of gold was found here:
                      http://npbstats.com/players-eng/
                      Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                      http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
                        A pot of gold was found here:
                        http://npbstats.com/players-eng/
                        This, especially the defensive information, will be a big help in the MLEs (we didn't have much in that respect). I sent Eric an email, but it's possible he may want to revisit some of the upcoming middle infielder ratings with this info.
                        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
                          A pot of gold was found here:
                          http://npbstats.com/players-eng/
                          This is new, but holy cow. I haven't smiled this much over discovering a baseball site since Seamheads started up. Many, many thanks!
                          "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                          "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
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                          • #14
                            Updated links and top players:
                            https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...-npb-catchers/
                            https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...asemen-part-i/
                            https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...semen-part-ii/
                            https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...econd-baseman/
                            https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...seman-part-ii/
                            https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2021/0...asemen-part-i/

                            Top candidates:

                            Katsuya Nomura - 83 WAR / 52 WAA - C
                            Shinnouske Abe - 52 WAR / 25 WAA - C
                            Koichi Tabuchi - 43 WAR / 17 WAA - C

                            Sadaharu Oh - 123 WAR / 83 WAA - 1B
                            Tetsuhara Kawakami - ~50 WAR / 20 WAA - 1B - depends on war credit and translation to weaker leagues of early Japan ball.
                            Kihachi Enomoto - 48 WAR / 20 WAA - 1B
                            Hiromistu Ochiai - 64 WAR / 35 WAA - 1B

                            Michiyo Arito - 58 WAR / 28 WAA - 3B
                            Fumio Fujimura - ~57 WAR / 24 WAA - 3B - approximate rating with war credit, 39 WAR / 14 WAA without
                            Masayuki Kakefu - 56 WAR / 33 WAA - 3B
                            Sachio Kinugasa - 58 WAR / 20 WAA - 3B
                            Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                            http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
                              Fumio Fujimura - ~57 WAR / 24 WAA - 3B - approximate rating with war credit, 39 WAR / 14 WAA without
                              Please note the same cautions for Kawakami apply to Fujimara--and wartime credit can only build upon information with such issues, at least presently.
                              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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