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  • 09 WBC venues, pools, and rules changes announced

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb
    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=mlb


    Pool A -- China, Chinese Taipei, Japan and Korea will begin play on March 5 in Tokyo Dome, where the A's are opening the regular season against the Red Sox this week.

    Pool B -- Australia, Cuba, Mexico and South Africa, from March 8-12 in Mexico City.

    Pool C -- Canada, Italy, the U.S. and Venezuela, from March 8-12 in Toronto.

    Pool D -- Dominican Republic, the Netherlands, Panama and Puerto Rico, from March 7-11 in Puerto Rico.


    Also love the addition of the double knockout format, I think that's a waaay better rule. Also, I expect TONS of Italian-Canadians at the Toronto games which I'm guessing is why they put in the Toronto pool. So let's start predicting who comes out of the pools!! I'm actually worried that Canada has a good chance of maybe disappointing the home town fans. I'm also thinking we might have alittle of a good chance of perhaps an Australain team in the second round if they can handle the Mexican atmosphere.

    Also, Monterrey must be mad they didnt get the venue, whats the stadium like in Mexico City?
    Last edited by cutchemist42; 03-23-2008, 09:49 PM.

  • Pere
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    Originally posted by spark240 View Post
    I agree, the marketing has been bad. In the few ads I've seen, too much has been hung on stars (Jeter, A-Rod... how's that playing?); where are the highlight images from the first tournament? Where are the scenes of flag-waving crowds?
    Has anyone else noticed that the most compelling WBC ads are actually not for the event, but for Puerto Rico tourism?

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  • yankies4life
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    so im planning on going to 2 games in toronto, USA vs Canada and Italy vs Venezuela on the first day. i cant wait. ive never been to the rogers centre, is there anything i should look out for and do there? also just curious to those who have been in the past, do players sign autographs? are there any festivities that go on? give me the scoop from the last time things went on, any advice is greatly appreciated, thanks!

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  • Tetsuwan
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    Originally posted by quinnystar27 View Post
    Japan WBC team had it first game against Yomiuri giants. Of course it was more of a warm up as japan won easily. But it showed some of Japan's lesser know players stepping up like Aoki and Inaba. Should be a very interesting tournament for japan due to they had a similar roster in beijing and couldn't get a medal. Yet matsuzaka, ichiro, okajima, iwamura should get them to the semifinals but i don't see them repeating this year. that is the linke for the game.

    http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-b...0090222o1.html
    Btw Okajima is not on the roster.

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  • quinnystar27
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    Japan WBC team had it first game against Yomiuri giants. Of course it was more of a warm up as japan won easily. But it showed some of Japan's lesser know players stepping up like Aoki and Inaba. Should be a very interesting tournament for japan due to they had a similar roster in beijing and couldn't get a medal. Yet matsuzaka, ichiro, okajima, iwamura should get them to the semifinals but i don't see them repeating this year. that is the linke for the game.

    http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-b...0090222o1.html

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  • Pere
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    It'll still be great. I wish I could go to San Diego and LA myself.

    But, I agree, the marketing has been bad. In the few ads I've seen, too much has been hung on stars (Jeter, A-Rod... how's that playing?); where are the highlight images from the first tournament? Where are the scenes of flag-waving crowds?

    Selig and MLB may see the tournament as a way to get international fans interested in MLB baseball (at least I thought that was part of the original concept), but the marketing seems to be set up in exactly the other direction, suggesting that people who are already MLB fans should take a look at this little tournament too.

    As Shootmaster suggested, the hook here really should be the national teams themselves, not specific players.

    I expect that, like last time, a lot of people are going to find out about this tournament after it starts... maybe when they turn on ESPN looking for the basketball they know is being played in March.
    Last edited by Pere; 03-11-2009, 08:09 PM.

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  • PLowry
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    World Baseball Classic

    After being an unsympathetic cynic of the 2006 WBC, I was won over to being an enthusiastic supporter by the passion of the fans and the players, the great and competitive baseball, and the flags waved in the stands. Anyone of the four quarterfinalists could have won the title.

    I find it very sad to witness the 2009 WBC seemingly self-destructing in the month prior to its being played. First, the marketing to sell tickets in Tokyo, Toronto, Mexico City, San Juan, Miami, San Diego, and Los Angeles has been pathetically week and anything but innovative. It seems as if they are hoping to DECREASE on the 737,000 tickets sold three years ago.

    But worst of all has been the constant drip-drip of bad news: Nine out of every ten MLB.com articles have been written on why various players are dropping and deciding NOT to participate.

    Player A has pulled out of the Classic due to a change-of-heart, Player B won't play in Classic due to Insurance issues, Player C has been asked to refrain from the Classic due to a nagging groin, Player D has been ordered not to play in the Classic due to a year-old injury, Player E has decided to stay in camp to ensure he does not lose out a roster position. The entire Canadian, Dominican, and Venezuelan pitching staffs have been decimated, which will definitely make a LARGE impact on the outcome of the Classic.

    We have been promised for three straight years now that the Classic will be won on the Field, and now it is being decided by Insurance issues and strongarm tactics by Mr. Steinbrenner and other owners to force players to stay out of the Classic.

    What a sad leadup to what was going to be such a fantastic tournament.

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  • cutchemist42
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    Ummm this is weird because with about two weeks to go, I have not seen any of the Canadian broadcasting networks advertisiing this tourney when Sportsnet was advertising the 06 WBC like a month before.

    It should be noted too that I cant find any info if CBC, TSN, or Sportnset is broadcasting this.

    Any Canadians on here know anything?

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  • quinnystar27
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    Zambrano will play for venezuela. According to venezuela newspapers Zambrano will not play the first round but will play the second allowing him to be better prepared and rested and fix that eye of his. GO VENEZUELA

    http://www.liderendeportes.com/Notic...d=72417&sid=68

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  • Shootmaster_44
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    Originally posted by quinnystar27 View Post
    what is goin on with the 2009 wbc? 5 members of venezuela team stated now that they might not go. 3 pitchers and 2 positions plus santana already said he aint going. Pujols just said no. david ortiz says he might need to heal. Of course USA, Japan and cuba are the favorites. When your country doesn't send the best you are going to lose. I understand players are scared i mean it makes sense, you see all these great players getting minor league deals. And obviously some players in the WBC are saying oh wait a minute i am not sure now, I dont want to get hurt and get a minor league deal. Gammons said GMs are telling players not to go, by bringing up contract negotiations. What will happen to the WBC? I am all for the WBC and will continue to support it. This is the first time baseball has become a global event. Forget the world cup and the olympics. I see people in england and italy wanting to watch the WBC. Friends of mine in china who care less about red sox yankees want to see china play against japan. But GMs who only care about money dont want to see this event grow. Which i say greed is dangerous, let not forget what greed did to the economy today.

    Gammons stated a GM said: "We've tried to discourage pitchers as much as we can," one general manager says.
    Link:http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...ntryID=3857199
    This nothing new for tournaments like this. In the last 30 years, the NHL and NHLPA have run preseason tournaments called the Canada Cup and the World Cup of Hockey. These tournaments saw the same sort of begging off by some players. You just learn to live with it and move on. Its too bad that the players are begging off, but it shows who the true patriots for their countries are.

    Though it might be an idea for MLB to take the NHL's lead and force players to decide (baring an unforseen injury) at the end of the previous season. I believe for the later Canada Cups and the last World Cup of Hockey, the NHL forced players to "enter" their names at the end of the season. This meant that players had to participate unless they were injured if they committed. I think the NHL threatened large fines and suspensions if those players backed out. I don't recall any player ever backing out after committing initially.

    I also believe they had threatened severe sanctions against owners who pressured their players not to participate. Harold Ballard, owner of the Leafs and the 70s and 80s NHL version of George Steinbrenner, did campaign for his players to not play. I believe the NHL told him basically to shut up or he would lose all revenue from TV, road games and any other NHL revenue sharing. Granted, Steinbrenner has a lot more money coming in than Ballard did, but a similar sanction or perhaps even a Marg Schott suspension could be a penalty for owners who discourage playing in this.

    I don't think the answer is playing this in November though. By doing that you risk turning the tournament into MLB's version of the NFL's Pro Bowl. By this I mean players basically playing at half speed and not really trying. I would say a better idea is to have this instead of spring training for these players. By this I mean it would run the entire month of March, players would be required to play for their national teams and then after the tournament they rejoin their clubs for the beginning of the regular season. Basically, this would be similar to what European Soccer does for any National Team games.

    But for the ticket buying public, I doubt that who is on each team makes as much difference compared to what teams are playing. I for one am going to watch Canada play the US, not Jason Bay against Roy Halliday. If I wanted to see Bay against Halliday, I'd go to a Red Sox/Jays game. I would think a good portion of the crowd is there to see Canada play, not the individual players. The non-Canada games granted will likely be a little more of the who's playing on what teams schedule compared to wholly nationalistic pride. I gather the Toronto pool will suffer the most based on who is and isn't playing as opposed to the rest of the First Round pools. I think it would be simply because Toronto being in Canada, doesn't have the large ethnic communities that support baseball like the others do. Plus the proximity of Toronto to Italy and Venezuela is such that few fans from each of those countries will make the trek. I'd imagine the first game between Venezuela and Italy will be attended better than any non-Canada games involving either of those two.

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  • quinnystar27
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    Maybe it would be better in november. but here are the problems i see. After a season of playing where most players would be done in september, they might be tired. Also they really wouldnt have much time off they would go immediately into camp. Also the WBC pitchers dont follow intense time schedule, at most they will pitch 15 innings so it would be starting hot and ending cold due to less pitching time. Unlike FIFA world cup were players have about a month off. I think the two best options would be keep it as it is, but get GMs to shut up and impose sanctions on GM telling players not to play. And if you look at a previous thread most of the WBC players in 2006 went on to have great seasons in 2006. Or let a mandatory WBC camp train the players for spring training earlier in February. Combined with opening day to be only 1 week away to 3 days at most from the WBC final game. This will allow players to go into the season right away already in a game attitude. This is why cuba did so good they were already in midseason form. If MLB season opener had WBC players in season formed this would avoid the Hot Cold argument that managers are making. But the WBC need to grow a pair because if this tournament does not surpass 2006 then i dont know if we will see it pass 2013.

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  • SouthwestAmAZins
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    Originally posted by quinnystar27 View Post
    what is goin on with the 2009 wbc? 5 members of venezuela team stated now that they might not go. 3 pitchers and 2 positions plus santana already said he aint going. Pujols just said no. david ortiz says he might need to heal. Of course USA, Japan and cuba are the favorites. When your country doesn't send the best you are going to lose. I understand players are scared i mean it makes sense, you see all these great players getting minor league deals. And obviously some players in the WBC are saying oh wait a minute i am not sure now, I dont want to get hurt and get a minor league deal. Gammons said GMs are telling players not to go, by bringing up contract negotiations. What will happen to the WBC? I am all for the WBC and will continue to support it. This is the first time baseball has become a global event. Forget the world cup and the olympics. I see people in england and italy wanting to watch the WBC. Friends of mine in china who care less about red sox yankees want to see china play against japan. But GMs who only care about money dont want to see this event grow. Which i say greed is dangerous, let not forget what greed did to the economy today.

    Gammons stated a GM said: "We've tried to discourage pitchers as much as we can," one general manager says.
    Link:http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...ntryID=3857199
    This is dissapointing, it would have been nice if all final rosters were set before ticket sales began. Would MLB clubs be more cooperative if the WBC were held in November?

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  • quinnystar27
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    what is goin on with the 2009 wbc? 5 members of venezuela team stated now that they might not go. 3 pitchers and 2 positions plus santana already said he aint going. Pujols just said no. david ortiz says he might need to heal. Of course USA, Japan and cuba are the favorites. When your country doesn't send the best you are going to lose. I understand players are scared i mean it makes sense, you see all these great players getting minor league deals. And obviously some players in the WBC are saying oh wait a minute i am not sure now, I dont want to get hurt and get a minor league deal. Gammons said GMs are telling players not to go, by bringing up contract negotiations. What will happen to the WBC? I am all for the WBC and will continue to support it. This is the first time baseball has become a global event. Forget the world cup and the olympics. I see people in england and italy wanting to watch the WBC. Friends of mine in china who care less about red sox yankees want to see china play against japan. But GMs who only care about money dont want to see this event grow. Which i say greed is dangerous, let not forget what greed did to the economy today.

    Gammons stated a GM said: "We've tried to discourage pitchers as much as we can," one general manager says.
    Link:http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...ntryID=3857199

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  • quinnystar27
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    i agree that the rule is stupid i mean we saw it in the olympics and the feeling was that it didnt seem like the winning team really won if they used that rule. Yet i see the reason, which is make the game more popular and easier to follow. However if a team wins a crucial game using this rule does it seem like they really win? Will people accept it? But i dont think many games will get to the 13th inning

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  • Pere
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    Originally posted by Shootmaster_44 View Post
    I see the American uproar to this as akin to the Canadian uproar over shootouts in hockey. I'm gathering shootouts are now gaining acceptance due to the NHL instituting them to solve the ties in regular season games. Anyway, prior to this many Canadian hockey fans originally were opposed to using a shootout to end a game. In the NHL playoffs, like in MLB, the game continues until someone scores. Canadian fans prefered this and saw the shootout as a bastardization of their game.
    I'm not sure the "uproar" about the 13th-inning rule is quite as large. I actually suspect--sadly, for me--that the proportion of Canadian hockey fans who really do value the integrity of their game is higher than the proportion of American baseball fans who care about the integrity of this one.

    Originally posted by Shootmaster_44 View Post
    However, little by little it gained acceptance and eventually became part of the NHL game. I think this rule to settle ties in the WBC will be accepted little by little and could conceivably become a regular MLB rule.
    This is a good comparison, but I don't think it follows that the objections are without merit, or that the changed game won't be the worse for it. Once the change is imposed, if the people in charge do not entertain debate, what can fans do? Accept it or walk away entirely... so gradually people get accustomed to it, keep watching for the game elements they do like which are still there. New fans accept it because they don't know any different, or any better.

    To look at another baseball example, I think the wild card slot in the MLB playoffs has done real damage to the tension and drama of divisional races (in various ways, for example eliminating the possibility of a down-to-the-wire race between the two best teams in the league, as in the '51 NL or '93 NL West). Most people have apparently "accepted" it, and newer fans take it as a given, but that doesn't mean that the criticism wasn't legitimate, or doesn't remain legitimate. (Granted, the criticism of wild cards is more subtle in a sense, harder to understand, than the criticism of shootouts.)

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