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  • Bonus
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    Originally posted by YOUgodofwalks
    I seem to be in a minority here though, in the fact that I like the WBC idea. Theres a few things I would change, but what's so bad about international baseball? To many in America it seems like useless exhibition games like the All-star game used to be pre-this time it counts nonsense.

    This is fun, exciting and a huge step forward for baseball.

    Maybe it's just me.
    Not it is not just you (nice name by the way), and you are not in a minority. Even though there are thousands of message boards for baseball fans that think the world ends just south of the line the runs from Atlanta to the ugly, faux rock garden in Anaheim, a few diehards have camped out on this board to tut-tut the rest of the world.

    Yesterday was a great day for baseball, with exciting, close games played with great energy in great atmospheres. It is obvious that this competition means alot to people from around the world, and the players too. The fact that a few Americans would rather watch spring training is not worth paying attention to.

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  • YOUgodofwalks
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    Originally posted by GiantPickle
    I do not support my kids joining the military. I care about them going to a good college and earning a degree. You can send yours to kill poor people, Wamby. Mine will receive yours with college degrees and with high paying jobs.
    The military can help peope earn degrees and military vets are often favored for jobs. The military is often a stepping stone into a very highly paid career, jet pilot to commercial pilot, military doctor to civilian doctor, many people join the military because in a lot of cases they provide the best training there is to have, it's also good to mention there are many jobs in the military which will never take you near a battle, and those that do go into battlezones, are the brave few who are nessecary for the protection of our country.

    I seem to be in a minority here though, in the fact that I like the WBC idea. Theres a few things I would change, but what's so bad about international baseball? To many in America it seems like useless exhibition games like the All-star game used to be pre-this time it counts nonsense. But like all of baseball, it's for fun. You play for a few weeks, winner gets a trophy, celebrates, and onto the regular season. I see nothing wrong with combining being patriotic and playing for your country. We each do our own things to support our country, so helping them to win in international competition is what professional althetes do. What must then be done is to prioritize. If you believe playing a game of baseball to be above or on par with military service, volunteering, chariable donations ect., then you have something wrong with you.

    Even if you don't like MLB's marketing campaign tactics, can't you just see it's baseball? It's a fun game and now i get to see more games with the greats of the game playing. I'm not complaining. Right now Canada and South Africa are tied 3-3, and i just find this great. This is fun, exciting and a huge step forward for baseball.

    Maybe it's just me.

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    Originally posted by GiantPickle
    I do not support my kids joining the military. I care about them going to a good college and earning a degree. You can send yours to kill poor people, Wamby. Mine will receive yours with college degrees and with high paying jobs.
    AT one level I agree with you, but I must say that the military helped me pay for my degree. Right now, however in my opinion, the miltary mission in Afghanistan needs to be fought.

    A lot of veterans would probably take offense at your characterization of the military but I won't. My extensive training in killing poor people won't let me be offended.
    Last edited by wamby; 03-07-2006, 09:04 PM.

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  • Kiefer
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    Originally posted by GiantPickle
    I do not support my kids joining the military. I care about them going to a good college and earning a degree. You can send yours to kill poor people, Wamby. Mine will receive yours with college degrees and with high paying jobs.
    Well said!

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  • GiantPickle
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    I do not support my kids joining the military. I care about them going to a good college and earning a degree. You can send yours to kill poor people, Wamby. Mine will receive yours with college degrees and with high paying jobs.

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    Originally posted by west coast orange and black
    wamby: I just saw a WBC commercial that pissed me off. Roger Clemens said "I'll be there for my country, will you be there for yours?"

    maybe you missed it in today's news, wamby.
    clemens drove a few of his sons down to the local recruiter's office to get info on joining the military.
    and he drove another over to the nearest medical center to sign up for some volunteer work.

    yeah, i think the whole "i'm playin' baseball for my country, how are you contributing?" is very misguided.
    I don't think you need to join the military to be patriotic, but I think it would send a good message at this moment if a baseball star supported his kid joining the military.

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    Originally posted by west coast orange and black
    wamby: Equating the WBC with patriotism is ludicrous at best and tasteless at worst.

    agreed, man. nationalism and patriotism get mixed up all too often.
    In my view:

    Patriotism: good
    Nationalism: bad

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  • west coast orange and black
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    wamby: I just saw a WBC commercial that pissed me off. Roger Clemens said "I'll be there for my country, will you be there for yours?"

    maybe you missed it in today's news, wamby.
    clemens drove a few of his sons down to the local recruiter's office to get info on joining the military.
    and he drove another over to the nearest medical center to sign up for some volunteer work.

    yeah, i think the whole "i'm playin' baseball for my country, how are you contributing?" is very misguided.

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  • west coast orange and black
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    wamby: Equating the WBC with patriotism is ludicrous at best and tasteless at worst.

    agreed, man. nationalism and patriotism get mixed up all too often.

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    Originally posted by Bonus
    Wamby,

    You clearly have some sort of chip on your shoulder about all of this.

    Do you object categorically to any sports played on behalf of nations, or just on behalf of the US? Do you also object to American flags on uniforms? The playing of the national anthem before games? Can any American support American teams, or can only people like you who have apparently served in the military?

    It seems to me that either you are in a tiny minority of people who are opposed to the international competition in any form, whether it be the WBC, Olympics, World Cup, Ryder Cup, Davis Cup, Fed Cup, Tennis World Team Cup, America's Cup, Basketball World Championship, Hockey World Chamionships, Hockey World Cup (Canada Cup), Copa America, Gold Cup, Confederations Cup, The Rugby League World Cup, The Ashes (Rugby), The Tri Nations, The Pacific Cup, The Pacific Rim Championship, Mediterranean Cup, The European Nations Cup, The Ashes (Cricket), The Cricket World Cup, or Cricket Test Matches, or you are simply opposed to Americans routing for the US. The former makes you an out-of-touch member of the flat-earth society. The latter means that you have some deeper problem that should best be remedied elsewhere.
    Let me answer your questions in order:

    1) I don't really care about sports played on behalf of a country. What I do care bout is wrapping a money making scheme with a flag. I think wrapping yourself in the flag for any purpose is distasteful. I think real patriotism is shown by some measure of sacrifice. I think the type of patriotism esposed by LaSorda and others is just empty rhetoric. It's similar to when athletes are called warriors. Athletes on the field may be a lot of things but one thing they are not is warriors.

    2) I do not like seeing flags on uniforms.

    3) I wouldn't be sad if playing the national anthem before a sporting event was eliminated.

    4) I don't think playing for an American team should be equated with patriotism. I don't really care if people support Team USA. I just won't be one that does.

    5) I don't follow or care about any of the international events you mentioned. The only sprt I do follow or care anything about is baseball and I don't care about any baseball but Major League Baseball.

    I guess my deep problem is that I don't like enough sports and don't care about sports in other parts of the world.

    On the world stage I am more interested in politics then in sports. There isn't a single sporting event, outside of snippets of the WBC, that you couldn't me to watch. From what little I've seen of the WBC it is not holding my interest.

    When I hear ballplayers say things like 'I now have a way to do something for my country.' I have to laugh. There are other things they could be doing.
    Last edited by wamby; 03-07-2006, 03:43 PM.

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  • Bonus
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    Wamby,

    You clearly have some sort of chip on your shoulder about all of this.

    Do you object categorically to any sports played on behalf of nations, or just on behalf of the US? Do you also object to American flags on uniforms? The playing of the national anthem before games? Can any American support American teams, or can only people like you who have apparently served in the military?

    It seems to me that either you are in a tiny minority of people who are opposed to the international competition in any form, whether it be the WBC, Olympics, World Cup, Ryder Cup, Davis Cup, Fed Cup, Tennis World Team Cup, America's Cup, Basketball World Championship, Hockey World Chamionships, Hockey World Cup (Canada Cup), Copa America, Gold Cup, Confederations Cup, The Rugby League World Cup, The Ashes (Rugby), The Tri Nations, The Pacific Cup, The Pacific Rim Championship, Mediterranean Cup, The European Nations Cup, The Ashes (Cricket), The Cricket World Cup, or Cricket Test Matches, or you are simply opposed to Americans routing for the US. The former makes you an out-of-touch member of the flat-earth society. The latter means that you have some deeper problem that should best be remedied elsewhere.

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    Originally posted by Brownie31
    If Lasorda were still an active manager would he still be so gungho on the WBC? If he wants to see patriotism, let him & the WBCers visit VA Hospitals & maybe Iraq in the off-season. Brownie31
    I just saw a WBC commercial that pissed me off. Roger Clemens said "I'll be there for my country, will you be there for yours?"

    Yeah Roger I was, from 1983 until 1987. Unlike the WBC, it wasn't a game. I think wrapping a money making scheme in the flag is just wrong.

    I'd like to see all the people spouting patriotic rhetoric about the WBC, take said rhetoric and shove it.

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  • Redondos
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    Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan
    I'm not surprised. George cares more about the investment of money in his players and organization than pride of country. I can understand why Steinbrenner believes this, but I still think he's wrong.
    You can bet Steinbrenner won't be turning down any additional merchandise/apparel revenue derived from overseas markets as a result of the WBC. The hypocrite!

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  • SamtheBravesFan
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    Originally posted by kramer_47
    Right on Brownie 31, this WBC is the most ridiculous thing major league baseball has done, they could do better things with there time then playing in this WBC.
    Yeah, like getting a couple of at-bats in exhibitions and workouts in and playing golf, just like they usually do.

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  • MudvilleMike
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    Originally posted by VIBaseball
    George has been a major supporter of the Olympics in the past, and his patriotic credentials are good. But yes, it sure looks like his investment value trumps national pride.
    Short-term investment value. If the WBC is a success, it will benefit MLB teams in the long run.

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