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    Once Castro is gone and communism is swept away, what is the future of Cuban baseball? Will the major leagues reestablish minor league teams in Cuba? Will they open up baseball academies? Could there one day be a major league team in Havana? What says you BBF?
    Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 03-16-2006, 09:53 AM.
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    I honestly think that Mexico has a better shot to land a baseball team in the near future because the number of people they have. If they can provide security, they will be the favorites.

    The only city in Cuba that can hosts a team would be Havana. There are 2 million people living there in addition of the Havana province. If you see a map of Cuba you will see what I am talking about.

    Can you believe that the biggest stadium in Latinomerica is still the one in Havana City! I have read that before however anyone can verify that.

    The economy will improve for sure and Cubans and other people in Miami will travel back and forth because it is so close. By plain it is just 30 minutes or so.

    First you will see MLB teams establishing academies. I am sure the big market teams will lead the way because the potential. It is about money and cheap labor. Cuba is the biggest island in the Caribbean. The population growth will increase considerably. Immigration will be a factor too. Now, Cubans do not want to have kids due to the harsh economic conditions.

    After Castro dies, the USA will lift the Embargo and the 2 governments will go to bed together like nothing happened before. Communism is a dead ideology and it does not work. It has not worked in other countries with vasts natural resources. Therefore, it won't work in Cuba either even more so when Cuba is so little and do not have many natural resources. Castro is just trying to survive.

    A minor league team is a better option.

    I do not know if I can translate the following and I do not remember who said this once:

    "Politica y verdad nunca han habitado bajo un mismo techo"

    "Politics and the truth can not coexists under the same roof"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cubano100%
      I do not know if I can translate the following and I do not remember who said this once:

      "Politica y verdad nunca han habitado bajo un mismo techo"

      "Politics and the truth can not coexists under the same roof"
      That's the same saying I recall, word for word

      I agree with Cubano100% 100%. I see Cuba as being the next big expansion for MLB. I think a whole minor league, whether it's A, AA, or AAA level would be established in addition to the preexisting league(s).

      I also see the market for South Florida expanded to include Cuba, whether by TV and radio broadcasts or annual Spring Training games.
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      • #4
        Cuba, another star in EEUU flag?

        What are you talking about?
        You hear yourself speaking of Cuba like a simple apendix of EEUU?
        Where are your patriotism, cubano10%?

        And about the goverment, in Cuba the "comunist" still have a great support by the people, and when Fidel died i dont think this change a lot.

        And you forget a thing: Bolivia and Venezuela come into a "socialist" goverment and they have a huge naturals resourse.

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        • #5
          Yeah, Chavez has done a lot for the Venezuelan people. That country looks more like Cuba every day.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by alain
            What are you talking about?
            You hear yourself speaking of Cuba like a simple apendix of EEUU?
            Where are your patriotism, cubano10%?

            And about the goverment, in Cuba the "comunist" still have a great support by the people, and when Fidel died i dont think this change a lot.

            And you forget a thing: Bolivia and Venezuela come into a "socialist" goverment and they have a huge naturals resourse.


            What should I reply to you?

            Tell your idol (Castro) to do an election because Cubans did not choose him. Or did we? If you are a Cuban, move back to Cuba but I think your are one of us that do not have cojones and use an Alias.

            My patriotism is having a good job so I can own a home, travel often and put food in my table.
            Last edited by Cubano100%; 03-20-2006, 09:40 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by alain
              What are you talking about?
              You hear yourself speaking of Cuba like a simple apendix of EEUU?
              Where are your patriotism, cubano10%?

              And about the goverment, in Cuba the "comunist" still have a great support by the people, and when Fidel died i dont think this change a lot.

              And you forget a thing: Bolivia and Venezuela come into a "socialist" goverment and they have a huge naturals resourse.
              Since I never been to Cuba I'll take your word for it. Since most Cubans have never had a life without communism how would they react to having a choice? Given a choice of a free market economy or communism how would the Cuban people respond?
              Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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              • #8
                Originally posted by alain
                What are you talking about?
                You hear yourself speaking of Cuba like a simple apendix of EEUU?
                Where are your patriotism, cubano10%?

                And about the goverment, in Cuba the "comunist" still have a great support by the people, and when Fidel died i dont think this change a lot.

                And you forget a thing: Bolivia and Venezuela come into a "socialist" goverment and they have a huge naturals resourse.
                It's not necessary here to question anyone's patriotism, especially when you change his username from "100%" to "10%".

                I'm not sure what EEUU is, so can you please explain?

                As to what happens after Fidel Castro dies (not "died"), what makes you believe things will remain the same? Care to offer reasons behind your decision? Castro's been around since 1959, hasn't he? That's quite a bit of time.

                I'm also not sure how South American nations like Bolivia and Venezuela factor into this discussion. Am I missing something that you haven't stated fully?

                Thanks.
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                • #9
                  Getting up to speed

                  It is not out of the realm of possibility for Havana to someday soon have a MLB club of their own. "Tonight's Cuba Libre game against the Tampa Bay Devil Rays will be brought to you by..." The Marlins are looking for a new home, and after their talks with Portland and San Antonio, post-Fidel Cuba might be every bit as viable an option. I know many still think Castro is some kind of sub-human enemy, but the US govt.'s treatment of our nearest island neighbors has been nothing short of appalling, and counterproductive. The Cuban ex-pats that I have known began with those fleeing the repressive Batista dictatorship, to the groups that left around New Years '59, another wave when Fidel got chummy with the Soviets, and finally the huge number of Cubans who managed to find their way to the heartland here in the wake of the Mariel exodus. Needless to say, that is a widely diverse segment of the Cuban people, but all shared one desire: better lives for themselves, and their fellow countrymen. Until relations are normalized between our countries, we are both missing out on so much we could share. The reasons for maintaining only minimal dialogue have long since expired, and it is high time to begin the process of re-establishing diplomatic, humanitarian, and economic ties, with mutual benefits, and on the next Cuban government's terms, not the US demands. I hope the WBC provides another small step toward normalcy, much as the ping-pong diplomacy Kissenger employed with Beijing did, and we can have a hemisphere of mutual respect and co-operation instead of anachronistic hatred.

                  Sorry about the rant, but it is something I feel quite strongly about, hope I can legally visit Havana again, and perhaps catch a ballgame while I'm there.:atthepc
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                  • #10
                    Hi, guys! Mattingly, EEUU means "USA" in orthodox Spanish. Traditional Spanish states initials meaning quantity of 2+, needs to be a double initial, like EE(estados-states)UU(unidos-united).
                    Anyway, I think this discussion has been politicized around Fidel, not about baseball.
                    And besides, I think the first that'll happen when Fidel dies is... McDonald's and Starbucks on the "Malecón" (seaside walk)

                    peace!

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                    • #11
                      ElVenado is right. When Castro dies, McD's and Starbucks will be the types of initial Americanization to hit Cuba. An MLB team, however, would be at least a decade away and maybe 2 decades away. There simply isn't enough capital and wealth to make it happen -- no private wealth, no private companies, etc.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ElVenado
                        Hi, guys! Mattingly, EEUU means "USA" in orthodox Spanish. Traditional Spanish states initials meaning quantity of 2+, needs to be a double initial, like EE(estados-states)UU(unidos-united).
                        Anyway, I think this discussion has been politicized around Fidel, not about baseball.
                        And besides, I think the first that'll happen when Fidel dies is... McDonald's and Starbucks on the "Malecón" (seaside walk)

                        peace!
                        Thanks. One of those things I was too lazy to google.

                        I never heard of the "doubled letter" thing before, but life is for learning, last I've heard.

                        As to what happens once Fidel passes on, doesn't he have sons and deputies?

                        I'm sure that with other deaths of political figures whose name have a strong exclamation mark to them, such as Yaser Arafat, you may have a power struggle. There could be other groups who have strong ideas, but whose voice weren't as well-known because of the man in power. Aides, sons, etc, could all have opposing views.

                        As to the baseball team itself, do others in power there like baseball as much as he does? I remember many years ago (1980s, I think), he'd said that he wanted the Cuban team to player the NY Yankees. it seemed like Castro's love for baseball was second only to his love for cigars from Cuba.

                        If anyone has anything as to how/why Bolivia and Venezuela factor into this discussion, please offer this.

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                        • #13
                          How has unheralded free market capitalism worked for the rest of the world? How does it work for Indonesia or Honduras? Why don't we ask the Colombian children who get shot for drinking water because Coca Cola owns it.

                          Why have Bolivia and Venezuela been mounting socialist revolutions? To oust the autocratic transnationals who oppress the people with the aid of the puppet leaders instilled from afar who line their own pockets by sacrificing their people's welfare. When the Bolivian people learned that their water was going to be privatized they picked up their guns and went to war for their freedom.

                          Maybe, not all Cubans want to trade their educational or medical programs for Starbucks mocha lattes and Big Macs, or a minor league MLB team. The stench of ethnocentrism surrounding this issue is nauseating. There are plenty of Cubans who support Castro and many who do not. The history of South and Central America would teach you that when you "go to bed" with American free market capitalism you get raped and wake up with AIDS.


                          Sorry, Mattingly, I'm out of this thread.
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                          • #14
                            Good grief, what a buffoon.

                            If you think it's so great in Cuba or Bolivia or Indonesia, go live there. Otherwise, all you are is a big-mouthed moron spouting off Michael Moore talking points.

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                            • #15
                              Cuba will change for sure

                              Originally posted by alain
                              What are you talking about?
                              You hear yourself speaking of Cuba like a simple apendix of EEUU?
                              Where are your patriotism, cubano10%?

                              And about the goverment, in Cuba the "comunist" still have a great support by the people, and when Fidel died i dont think this change a lot.

                              And you forget a thing: Bolivia and Venezuela come into a "socialist" goverment and they have a huge naturals resourse.

                              Hey so called Alain what is your problem anyways?????

                              Don't you know that Castro's dictatorship is not a free elected government, don't you know that in Cuba there is no way you can voice your disgust about the lack of basic human needs, don't you know that in Cuba there has not been elections to chose a president since 1959, and I can go on and on until I fill 47 years of history in this forum if you want me to..

                              The idea is clear: There is no way Cuba can continue the way it is today, the Cuban people don't want your "socialism nor communism" to continue. Don't you know the only reason Castro still in power is because all the money he steals from the Cuban people; and what about all the hundred of thousand Cubans that he has executed plus the yearly exodus of more than 30,000 Cubans that leave the island to live in all four corners of the world???

                              How can you explain your socialism utopia to a country that is seeing his population migrating anywhere they can just to have another chance, just to be able to live life like human beings with dignity and freedom.


                              I don't about you but I can tell you: VIVI EN LE MOUNSTRUO Y LE CONOZCO SUS ENTRANAZ. (MEANS: I LIVED INSIDE THE MONSTER AND I KNOW IT WELL ENOGH)

                              JOSE MARTI AND CUBAN_AFICIONADO
                              Last edited by cuban_aficionado; 03-20-2006, 04:39 PM.

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