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American baseball players, thanks alot for your support of international baseball....

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  • American baseball players, thanks alot for your support of international baseball....

    Seriously without putting together a list, I've just gotten the sense this past week that just as many Americans are getting out of this tournament as last time and some arent even citing injuries as reasons. Off the top of my head I have....

    Josh Hamilton(although he wants to play in future ones, I do believe him when he says he wants to establish himself more in MLB because of the years lost to addicitions)
    AJ Burnett
    CC Sabathia
    Josh Beckett
    Cole Hamels
    Dan Haren
    Ron Howard

    Anyone else agree that it sort of seems we're seeing once again a lack of commitment by alot of American baseball players?

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    I wish Hamilton would play.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by cutchemist42 View Post
      Seriously without putting together a list, I've just gotten the sense this past week that just as many Americans are getting out of this tournament as last time and some arent even citing injuries as reasons. Off the top of my head I have....

      Josh Hamilton(although he wants to play in future ones, I do believe him when he says he wants to establish himself more in MLB because of the years lost to addicitions)
      AJ Burnett
      CC Sabathia
      Josh Beckett
      Cole Hamels
      Dan Haren
      Ron Howard

      Anyone else agree that it sort of seems we're seeing once again a lack of commitment by alot of American baseball players?
      Richie Cunningham doesn't want to play in the WBC?

      Seriously, though, many other non-American ballplayers won't play either. As I've stated before in '06 the Japanese team only had two major leaguers. If the ballplayers don't want to to play they don't want to play. You can add Tim Lincecum to that list as well. You stated months ago that he will not play this time around.
      Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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      • #4
        They should invite Tuffy Rhodes to play! Though I doubt Orix would want to lose him for the better part of a month in what will probably be his last season. Still in light of his likely retirement after 2009, it would be great for him to get at least some recognition and a chance to play for his country.
        Clyde's Stale Cards - A blog about the international world of baseball cards.

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        • #5
          It would be fine with me if every player opted out of this tournament. Hopefully, few members of the Indians will be involved with it.

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          • #6
            If I was them I wouldn't play either. Why should I jeopardize my career and lively hood playing in a series of exhibition games?? And, counting spring training, I am already devoting 7+ months to active participation in the game.
            Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KCGHOST View Post
              If I was them I wouldn't play either. Why should I jeopardize my career and lively hood playing in a series of exhibition games?? And, counting spring training, I am already devoting 7+ months to active participation in the game.
              Livelihood? These guys are making millions of dollars and are in no danger of having to beg on the street corner. This takes an extra week or so out of their time to play a game they presumably love, to help their country in a fun international tournament. I'm glad many players (Ryan Braun, Grady Sizemore, Dustin Pedroia, Derek Jeter, Chipper Jones, Joe Mauer, David Wright, Justin Morneau, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Ichiro Suzuki, Johan Santana, Geovany Soto, etc.) are willing to participate. Let's focus on the good guys and not the bad apples.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Mischa View Post
                Livelihood? These guys are making millions of dollars and are in no danger of having to beg on the street corner. This takes an extra week or so out of their time to play a game they presumably love, to help their country in a fun international tournament. I'm glad many players (Ryan Braun, Grady Sizemore, Dustin Pedroia, Derek Jeter, Chipper Jones, Joe Mauer, David Wright, Justin Morneau, Daisuke Matsuzaka, Ichiro Suzuki, Johan Santana, Geovany Soto, etc.) are willing to participate. Let's focus on the good guys and not the bad apples.
                I agree! Hitting shouldn't be a problem for Team USA. Pitching on the other hand...
                Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mischa View Post
                  Livelihood? These guys are making millions of dollars and are in no danger of having to beg on the street corner. This takes an extra week or so out of their time to play a game they presumably love, to help their country in a fun international tournament.
                  I understand this view for the hitters, but with the wear and tear on pitchers' arms, the extra innings for the WBC are a risk to their big paydays. While it is true they make huge sums, they do have families to provide for, including their futures. The bottom line for pitchers is that pitching in the WBC isn't a sound financial decision--and the people who are putting on the tournament aren't doing it just for "fun"--they're interesting in making money. I can't blame pitchers for sitting this one out.
                  Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                  Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                  A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                    I understand this view for the hitters, but with the wear and tear on pitchers' arms, the extra innings for the WBC are a risk to their big paydays. While it is true they make huge sums, they do have families to provide for, including their futures. The bottom line for pitchers is that pitching in the WBC isn't a sound financial decision--and the people who are putting on the tournament aren't doing it just for "fun"--they're interesting in making money. I can't blame pitchers for sitting this one out.
                    Jim,

                    Would you agree that moving the WBC to the end of the season is a better option?
                    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                    • #11
                      Really, if they want this to be a rival to soccer's World Cup, they've got to be willing to stop the season for two weeks in summer and play it then. If the majors shortened the schedule to deal with this, then there would be far less reason for players to pass, barring the usual issues of injury or family issues (sick family members, etc). The end of the season is not any better from the wear and tear perspective of pitchers--only a commesurate reduction of the season can do that. Of course, I believe that for the forseeable future it is more likely pigs will learn to fly without wings than it is that this proposal will be adopted.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                        Really, if they want this to be a rival to soccer's World Cup, they've got to be willing to stop the season for two weeks in summer and play it then.
                        This is something that annoys me...there's already a Baseball World Cup and has been, on and off, for nearly 50 years!

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_World_Cup

                        The WBC is completely redundant.
                        Clyde's Stale Cards - A blog about the international world of baseball cards.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DaClyde View Post
                          This is something that annoys me...there's already a Baseball World Cup and has been, on and off, for nearly 50 years!

                          The WBC is completely redundant.
                          Well, no. Teams often don't send their "A" squads to the Baseball World Cup. Japan sends amateurs instead of NPB stars. South Korea sends a hodgepodge of prospects, bench-warmers and guys on military service - they don't send Min-han Son, Seung-yeop Lee, Shin-Soo Choo and Hyun-jin Ryu. Mexico sends the best players who don't play winter ball - that is, guys who are usually average by Mexican League standards. Teams like the USA, Canada, the Netherlands, Panama and Australia usually send top prospects and/or experienced MLB'ers but not present stars - ex. Joey Votto played in 2005 and Evan Longoria in 2007. You don't see Chipper Jones, Justin Morneau, Jair Jurrjens, Carlos Lee or Grant Balfour in their primes.The only teams to send their "A" squads are those without MLB players (Germany, Spain, Thailand, etc.) and Cuba. Taiwan comes close but they are missing their active MLB players.

                          The biggest edge the BWC has over the WBC is that you actually need to qualify - you don't just get picked by the MLB powers-that-be.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                            Really, if they want this to be a rival to soccer's World Cup, they've got to be willing to stop the season for two weeks in summer and play it then. If the majors shortened the schedule to deal with this, then there would be far less reason for players to pass, barring the usual issues of injury or family issues (sick family members, etc). The end of the season is not any better from the wear and tear perspective of pitchers--only a commesurate reduction of the season can do that. Of course, I believe that for the forseeable future it is more likely pigs will learn to fly without wings than it is that this proposal will be adopted.
                            I agree this is the best option. The major soccer leagues around the world halt their seasons for the world Cup. Two weeks might be what 12 games for MLB? Cutting the season back to 150-152 games wouldn't be the end of the world. And I agree that MLB will not stop the season anytime soon.
                            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                            • #15
                              No need to shorten the season

                              As I've said before when discussing stopping the season for the Olympics, there is no reason to shorten the season. MLB is married to the 162 schedule now, and won't go away from that. But, if they want to have the playoffs over sooner, and if they want to stop the season for 10 days or so for the Olympics, then every four frigging years schedule each team 5 or so double headers, however many it would take. Make them all, or half of them at least, day/night DH's, so the greedy owners can still make their gate money, but every four years that would be doable for Olympics, and the WBC if it needs to be in the middle. The end of the season won't work either. Guys have shut it down for too long to get back into playing shape for a potential two game tournament.

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