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  • I do hope that the WBC connection results in better attendance and I feel it should. Could a possible Rivera roster spot help ensure sellouts in Panama? How good of a chance is there of Rivera playing if he retires from MLB this year thus making him a non 40-man roster player?

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    • Mariano has said that he plans to play.

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      • I think this is old news for most, but Israel's WBC recruiting plans are up on the CEB page:
        http://www.baseballeurope.com/345/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1388&tx_ttnews[backPid]=15&cHash=1c74593bbd

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        • Originally posted by cutchemist42 View Post
          I do hope that the WBC connection results in better attendance and I feel it should. Could a possible Rivera roster spot help ensure sellouts in Panama? How good of a chance is there of Rivera playing if he retires from MLB this year thus making him a non 40-man roster player?


          I don't think we even reached 10,000 at some of the games in San Diego last time. I do not think they will be well attended...

          I, however, will be in Jupiter for that qualifier as returning to Europe for a second time in the summer is not really feasible...

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          • Originally posted by TheInternationalGame View Post
            I think this is old news for most, but Israel's WBC recruiting plans are up on the CEB page:
            http://www.baseballeurope.com/345/?tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1388&tx_ttnews[backPid]=15&cHash=1c74593bbd
            To TheInternationalGame: I wrote a few articles on the IBL for this local (Tampa bay area) online publication that no longer exists and yes I am Jewish

            I can tell you one non-40 man roster person who won't be playing for Israel. B.J. Rosenberg of the Phillies. He is not Jewish. Former Canadian international Adam Stern has retired as a player I found out, but he may come back and play or be a coach.
            sigpicMan, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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            • Yes, for sure, the WBC has had many games which drew less than 10,000 fans:

              Eleven crowds under 10,000 in 2006 Only four crowds less than 10,000 in 2009

              3925 - Korea 10 China 1 TOKYO 9221 - Dominican 9 Panama 0 SAN JUAN
              4577 - Taiwan 12 China 3 TOKYO 9329 - Cuba 7 Mexico 4 SAN DIEGO
              5193 - Korea 2 Taiwan 0 TOKYO 9335 - Holland 3 Dominican 2 SAN JUAN
              5829 - Canada 11 South Africa 8 SCOTTSDALE 9774 - Japan 5 Cuba 0 SAN DIEGO
              6129 - Cuba 8 Panama 6 (11) SAN JUAN
              6333 - Holland 10 Panama 0 (7) SAN JUAN
              6594 - Dominican 7 Cuba 3 SAN JUAN
              7657 - Cuba 11 Holland 2 SAN JUAN
              7937 - Mexico 10 South Africa 4 SCOTTSDALE
              8099 - Italy 10 Australia 0 (7) LAKE BUENA VISTA
              9949 - Dominican 8 Italy 3 LAKE BUENA VISTA

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              • Here are some WBC records that may be broken in the 2012-2013 WBC:

                Lowest Attendance --- 3925 in TOKYO in 2006 (hopefully this one will NOT be broken
                Highest Attendance --- 54,846 in LOS ANGELES in 2009

                Latest Finish Time --- 11:55 PM in SAN DIEGO in 2006 semi-final Japan 6 South Korea 0
                Longest Rain Delay --- 45 minutes in SAN DIEGO in 2006 semi-final Japan 6 South Korea 0

                Longest Time of Game --- 4 hours 11 minutes in SAN JUAN in 2006 Cuba 8 Panama 6 in 11 innings --- in this tense game Panama had the bases loaded in the ninth inning and a Panama batter fell to the ground desperately trying to avoid a pitch that was going to strike him in the leg, if he had not avoided the pitch, the resulting Hit By Pitch would have won the game for Panama and therefore Cuba, which eventually made it to the Finals that year, would not have made it through to the Second Round

                Most Innings --- 11 innings in SAN JUAN in 2006 Cuba 8 Panama 6; also 11 innings in SAN JUAN in 2009 Holland 2 Dominican 1

                I hope that the rule putting batters on second base and first base to start out in extra innings is thrown away.

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                • One thing that we commonly discuss on this blog is IBAF rankings and who will beat who in upcoming WBC games.

                  Predictions are sometimes wrong. When based on IBAF rankings, eight out of the 39 games in 2006 were "upsets"; while ten out of the 39 games in 2009 were "upsets".

                  The Nicaragua, Panama, Colombia, Brazil pool is usually discussed on this blog as the strongest pool. I'm not sure about that. Using IBAF rankings, the Canada, Germany, Czech, Britain pool looks to me as if it is stronger. However, the very high ranking of Canada as #6 may skew the following figures. If you believe that #14 Nicaragua and #15 Panama are both stronger teams than #6 Canada, as apparently many people do, then the Nicaragua, Panama, Colombia, Brazil pool would be the strongest.

                  EUROPE/SOUTH AFRICA POOL in Roger Dean Stadium, Jupiter, Florida

                  #20 Spain, #35 South Africa, #41 France, #48 Israel --- total rankings = 144, which makes it the weakest pool

                  ASIA/OCEANIA QUALIFIER POOL in Xinziang Stadium, Taipei, Taiwan

                  #7 Taiwan, #22 Thailand, #28 the Philippines, Unranked/#78 New Zealand --- total rankings = 135

                  LATIN AMERICAN POOL in Estadio Rod Carew, Panama City, Panama

                  #14 Nicaragua, #15 Panama, #26 Colombia, #33 Brazil --- total rankings = 88

                  NORTH AMERICA/EUROPE QUALIFIER POOL in Armin-Wolfe-Arena, Regensburg, Germany

                  #6 Canada, #17 Germany, #20 Czech, 23 Britain --- total rankings = 66, which makes it the strongest pool

                  Another way to look at which pools are strongest or weakest is to look at just the rankings of the top two teams:

                  EUROPE/SOUTH AFRICA POOL in Roger Dean Stadium, Jupiter, Florida

                  #20 Spain, #35 South Africa --- total rankings = 55, which makes it the weakest pool

                  ASIA/OCEANIA QUALIFIER POOL in Xinziang Stadium, Taipei, Taiwan

                  #7 Taiwan, #22 Thailand --- total rankings = 29

                  LATIN AMERICAN POOL in Estadio Rod Carew, Panama City, Panama

                  #14 Nicaragua, #15 Panama --- total rankings = 29

                  NORTH AMERICA/EUROPE QUALIFIER POOL in Armin-Wolfe-Arena, Regensburg, Germany

                  #6 Canada, #17 Germany --- total rankings = 23, which makes it the strongest pool

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                  • I hope that the rule putting batters on second base and first base to start out in extra innings is thrown away.[/QUOTE]

                    Nope, do not see this going away

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                    • Originally posted by PLowry View Post
                      One thing that we commonly discuss on this blog is IBAF rankings and who will beat who in upcoming WBC games.

                      Predictions are sometimes wrong. When based on IBAF rankings, eight out of the 39 games in 2006 were "upsets"; while ten out of the 39 games in 2009 were "upsets".

                      The Nicaragua, Panama, Colombia, Brazil pool is usually discussed on this blog as the strongest pool. I'm not sure about that. Using IBAF rankings, the Canada, Germany, Czech, Britain pool looks to me as if it is stronger. However, the very high ranking of Canada as #6 may skew the following figures. If you believe that #14 Nicaragua and #15 Panama are both stronger teams than #6 Canada, as apparently many people do, then the Nicaragua, Panama, Colombia, Brazil pool would be the strongest.

                      EUROPE/SOUTH AFRICA POOL in Roger Dean Stadium, Jupiter, Florida

                      #20 Spain, #35 South Africa, #41 France, #48 Israel --- total rankings = 144, which makes it the weakest pool

                      ASIA/OCEANIA QUALIFIER POOL in Xinziang Stadium, Taipei, Taiwan

                      #7 Taiwan, #22 Thailand, #28 the Philippines, Unranked/#78 New Zealand --- total rankings = 135

                      LATIN AMERICAN POOL in Estadio Rod Carew, Panama City, Panama

                      #14 Nicaragua, #15 Panama, #26 Colombia, #33 Brazil --- total rankings = 88

                      NORTH AMERICA/EUROPE QUALIFIER POOL in Armin-Wolfe-Arena, Regensburg, Germany

                      #6 Canada, #17 Germany, #20 Czech, 23 Britain --- total rankings = 66, which makes it the strongest pool

                      Another way to look at which pools are strongest or weakest is to look at just the rankings of the top two teams:

                      EUROPE/SOUTH AFRICA POOL in Roger Dean Stadium, Jupiter, Florida

                      #20 Spain, #35 South Africa --- total rankings = 55, which makes it the weakest pool

                      ASIA/OCEANIA QUALIFIER POOL in Xinziang Stadium, Taipei, Taiwan

                      #7 Taiwan, #22 Thailand --- total rankings = 29

                      LATIN AMERICAN POOL in Estadio Rod Carew, Panama City, Panama

                      #14 Nicaragua, #15 Panama --- total rankings = 29

                      NORTH AMERICA/EUROPE QUALIFIER POOL in Armin-Wolfe-Arena, Regensburg, Germany

                      #6 Canada, #17 Germany --- total rankings = 23, which makes it the strongest pool
                      Many folks on this forum don't the IBAF rankings seriously for a variety of reasons. I don't think that Great Britain is any better than Colombia and Brazil, Great Britain is still benefiting from their 2nd place in the 2007 Euros; meanwhile Colombia & Brazil don't participate in as many IBAF events. There any many teams that are ranked too high up only because they have participated in the right events, but have not won any games. It would be nice to see more International games to get a clearer picture about how good or bad teams are, but it is just not possible at this time. In the mean time, we have a very flawed ranking system that has yielded some questionable results. I still don't understand how Afghanistan is ranked 38th and just joined the IBAF about a year ago.

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                      • I still don't understand how Afghanistan is ranked 38th and just joined the IBAF about a year ago.
                        It's mainly because Afghanistan participated in the west asia baseball cup

                        I think that tournament such as, European Cup, pan american games, asia cup, would determine which team advances to the WBC qualifiers in the future(2017?). After all WBC is the word's number one international baseball tournament, and they have to give opportunity to all the countries. I heard in a blog that baseball fans in countries such as El Salvador(baseball is quite popular), don't care about the tournament as their country aren't participating. In addition, Swedish baseball website criticized the WBC in a forum, stating that "How come Israel get to participate when they didn't even qualify for the European Cup?"

                        I'm not going to whine about the fact that it's unfair that country A was chosen over county B, as the countries are already chosen. However, to improve WBC, the tournament has to at least give hope to all the countries and not by WBC's subjective and biast view($$$$$).

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                        • Originally posted by island slugger View Post
                          It's mainly because Afghanistan participated in the west asia baseball cup

                          I think that tournament such as, European Cup, pan american games, asia cup, would determine which team advances to the WBC qualifiers in the future(2017?). After all WBC is the word's number one international baseball tournament, and they have to give opportunity to all the countries. I heard in a blog that baseball fans in countries such as El Salvador(baseball is quite popular), don't care about the tournament as their country aren't participating. In addition, Swedish baseball website criticized the WBC in a forum, stating that "How come Israel get to participate when they didn't even qualify for the European Cup?"

                          I'm not going to whine about the fact that it's unfair that country A was chosen over county B, as the countries are already chosen. However, to improve WBC, the tournament has to at least give hope to all the countries and not by WBC's subjective and biast view($$$$$).
                          A-greed. ;-)

                          The WBC is still young, and its role as world championship will change and morph over the next few decades, to the point where qualification will hopefully be more fair. I see this growth as a positive step, despite not solving all problems.

                          To the rankings: throw them away, when it comes to predicting the qualifying tournament.

                          EUROPE/SOUTH AFRICA POOL in Roger Dean Stadium, Jupiter, Florida
                          #20 Spain, #35 South Africa, #41 France, #48 Israel --- total rankings = 144, which makes it the weakest pool

                          Again, need to point out that Spain and Israel will be heavily recruiting, which they don't do for other events. South Africa could be the weakest team in the group; one reason they are ranked so high is because of WBC participation, which a vast majority see as undeserved. At the European Championship, we'll see if Spain and France will return to form of a couple years ago, and that should give a better idea of how they'll stack up against S.A. and a reinforced Jewish team. Odds are on Israel/Spain in the final.

                          ASIA/OCEANIA QUALIFIER POOL in Xinziang Stadium, Taipei, Taiwan
                          #7 Taiwan, #22 Thailand, #28 the Philippines, Unranked/#78 New Zealand --- total rankings = 135

                          I believe this is the weakest group. Taiwan has benefited greatly from this, and I don't have a problem with that. For a tiny country which is baseball-crazy, it also serves as a gateway to the SE Asian market, and gives NZ a chance to break on to the scene. Thailand and Philippines are not as strong as their ranking, which comes from participation in a small region (like Pakistan/Afghanistan), but I'm still satisfied with this group. I like regional matchups and rivalries.

                          LATIN AMERICAN POOL in Estadio Rod Carew, Panama City, Panama
                          #14 Nicaragua, #15 Panama, #26 Colombia, #33 Brazil --- total rankings = 88

                          Assuming the BWC wasn't a fluke, Panama could be top-10 worthy. Playing at home, they'd have to be considered a strong favorite. Nicaragua showed that they aren't at the level of the Netherlands, Italy, or Germany; so to say they are top-15 still could be a stretch. If MLB holds true to the scheduling put forth in Germany, we'd see Panama play Columbia in the first round...an interesting matchup, while Brazil would have a reasonable shot at an upset against Nicaragua (even though I don't believe the hype around Brazil).

                          NORTH AMERICA/EUROPE QUALIFIER POOL in Armin-Wolfe-Arena, Regensburg, Germany
                          #6 Canada, #17 Germany, #20 Czech, 23 Britain --- total rankings = 66, which makes it the strongest pool

                          Strongest by ranking, yes. But with all rosters flipped upside down by recruiting, there will be "upsets" and lower seeded teams advancing in every group, except maybe in Taiwan. I think the Germany pool is the most balanced, and the scheduling helps Germany/CZ because GB could be as strong as Canada depending on their recruiting. Canada won't be at full strength because no 40-man players, and Germany kept in the game against them during Olympic qualifying a half-dozen years back. I'd put Germany and Canada in the second round winners bracket, but wouldn't surprise me if neither of them make the final. Czech has planned a good ammount of preparation, and its nearly unthinkable that they woudn't win a single game. Again the EuroChampionships will speak loads to a group.

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                          • Sry, duplicate.
                            Last edited by TheInternationalGame; 03-29-2012, 01:21 AM. Reason: Duplicate

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                            • Originally posted by TheInternationalGame View Post
                              Again the EuroChampionships will speak loads to a group.
                              I doubt EC will be any indication of how the teams will play at the WBCQ just 1 week later because of different rules of eligibility to play for a country at these two tournaments. In the worst/best scenario we see a team getting religated at the EC but winning the WBCQ.
                              The only thing you know is you never know and that you know for sure!

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                              • Canada could virtually send the same team that won Gold in last year's Pan Am games. All but two players on that roster are currently on an MLB 40 man roster, based on this, Canada shouldn't have a hard time qualifying.

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