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  • Originally posted by PLowry View Post
    Wow, lots of posts with interesting ideas here lately. The saddest piece of news is that the first five games of the Jupiter, Florida Qualifier Pool One will NOT be televised. This is hard to believe. My Comcast television package has over 200 different channels, and not even one of them can telecast the Florida Qualifier's first five games ??? !!! That just does not make sense to me. I think back to 1968. After the new television show Star Trek was cancelled by one of the Top Three networks due to low ratings in its first year, a crowd of roughly 200 Caltech students from Pasadena, CA went over to the network HQ in Hollywood and chanted different things like "Beam Us Up Scotty", "Save Spock", and "Eye Eye Captain Kirk". I was there, and we were all shocked that several days later the network announced a change of heart, and continued Star Trek. And most everyone now knows how successful Star Trek was, and is.

    So I was thinking that if all of us on this blog complained to ESPN or ESPN Deportes or MLB Network that maybe they would have a change of heart. But we only have between 60 and 70 of us on this blog, so I don't think we could get them to change their minds. But still, with over 200 channels, it seems criminal that at least one of them does not televise Jupiter, Florida's first five games.
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    This really surprises me - I would have thought that the games would have at least been on ESPN3 (online streaming). It might be too close to the start of the qualifiers to get them added to the schedule, but if someone can come up with an e-mail address, I'd be willing to join the effort!
    If evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve!

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    • Originally posted by Tadasimha View Post
      This really surprises me - I would have thought that the games would have at least been on ESPN3 (online streaming). It might be too close to the start of the qualifiers to get them added to the schedule, but if someone can come up with an e-mail address, I'd be willing to join the effort!
      How about the President and Chief Executive Officer of MLB Network, Tony Petiti. Try Tony.Petitti@mlb.com

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      • Just sent via e-mail to Tony.Petitti@mlb.com



        Mr. Tom Petitti

        MLB Network



        Dear Sir:

        There are millions of potential viewers, especially Jewish-Americans, who will watch the first five games of the Jupiter, Florida World Baseball Classic in two weeks time if the games are telecast.

        We have heard that only the sixth game will be telecast on MLB Network. Is that true ? Is there some unknown fact that prevents the first five games from being telecast ? With two weeks left, there is still time to change the policy, to allow the telecasting of all six games.

        By the time that the sixth game is played, there is probably only a 50-50 chance that Israel will still be in the tournament. It will be a horrible mistake to play the first five games in Jupiter in the dark, with no television.

        Philip J. Lowry

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        • A few more thoughts on uniforms. First, I'm really looking forward to seeing what MLB will do to make that boring Thailand "T" and dull Brazil "B" more, I dunno, sexy.

          Second, while I like the British Baseball lion logo (it's based, I think, on GB's Olympic team brand), I don't think it works for this level of competition. A little Single-A for my taste.

          Finally, replacing Venezuela's classic, classy, gorgeous, and unique burgundy with red would be DERANGED. Pitiful.
          Last edited by Rally Monkey; 09-05-2012, 10:39 PM.

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          • Originally posted by PLowry View Post
            Just sent via e-mail to Tony.Petitti@mlb.com



            Mr. Tom Petitti

            MLB Network



            Dear Sir:

            There are millions of potential viewers, especially Jewish-Americans, who will watch the first five games of the Jupiter, Florida World Baseball Classic in two weeks time if the games are telecast.

            We have heard that only the sixth game will be telecast on MLB Network. Is that true ? Is there some unknown fact that prevents the first five games from being telecast ? With two weeks left, there is still time to change the policy, to allow the telecasting of all six games.

            By the time that the sixth game is played, there is probably only a 50-50 chance that Israel will still be in the tournament. It will be a horrible mistake to play the first five games in Jupiter in the dark, with no television.

            Philip J. Lowry
            Guess I just must be Mr. Negative, but I never anticipated any of the qualifiers to be shown on TV. So I'm surprised that even the finals will be. Don't know why, just didn't feel they would be.... Not happy with it, but not surprised.

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            • I checked back to the 2006 and 2009 WBC's to see whether CincyFan's suggestion that each First Round Pool should have two Top Eight teams, one Middle Nine through 12 team, and one Minnow was in fact used to construct the WBC pools in 2006 and in 2009. There is no way to check that for the 2006 WBC because prior to the 2006 WBC there was no such thing as a world ranking, from IBAF or from any other organization. It can be checked for the 2009 WBC because there was a ranking system in place before the 2009 WBC.

              Pool A in Tokyo DID NOT follow CincyFan's plan, with #2 South Korea, #4 Japan, #5 Taiwan, and #15 China. Just the same as has been announced for the March 2013 WBC, with #3 South Korea, #4 Japan, #7 Taiwan, and #16 China (assuming that Taiwan wins its qualifier). By being placed into the same pool as powerhouses South Korea and Japan, Taiwan has not been treated fairly.

              For Pool B and Pool C in Mexico City and Toronto respectively CincyFan's plan WAS followed in 2009.

              For Pool D, CincyFan's plan WAS NOT followed, with #6 Netherlands, #9 Panama, #11 Puerto Rico, and #17 Dominican, with just one team from the Top Eight. It is hard for us to believe that way back then the Netherlands and Panama were ranked higher than Puerto Rico and the Dominican, but that is the way it was.

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              • Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
                As far as I know (which isn't much), the national federations own the mark and probably design most of their own logos. What MLB does, I think, is add the cool little details like the outline on the German hat's "D". (If that outline is always there, I'm sure someone will explain to me that I'm wrong.)
                You're sort of right, its always been there, but shaded differently.

                Comparison;
                New: http://shop.mlb.com/product/index.js...180646.2186354
                Old: http://xbats-xprotex.eu/index.php?pa...9684e184e0f785
                Last edited by TheInternationalGame; 09-06-2012, 01:23 AM. Reason: links

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                • I figured InternationalGame would know. But whatever MLB did, the WBC definitely looks more, I dunno, refined.

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                  • Originally posted by PLowry View Post
                    It can be checked for the 2009 WBC because there was a ranking system in place before the 2009 WBC.
                    Originally posted by PLowry View Post
                    Pool A in Tokyo DID NOT follow CincyFan's plan, with #2 South Korea, #4 Japan, #5 Taiwan, and #15 China. Just the same as has been announced for the March 2013 WBC, with #3 South Korea, #4 Japan, #7 Taiwan, and #16 China (assuming that Taiwan wins its qualifier). By being placed into the same pool as powerhouses South Korea and Japan, Taiwan has not been treated fairly.
                    Its hard to say what is 'fair'. All brackets were roughly regional, and with Taiwan slipping in the rankings, its possible that their higher ranking wasn't justified in the early years, and now they don't deserve to be considered a team with the same group-balance demands as Japan or Korea. I'm not arguing that, just stating that its a possibility.

                    My recollection is that Japan and Cuba will be together, with China and a Qualifier, meaning Taiwan could be placed somewhere else given speculation that the Jupiter winner will be sent to Tokyo. I think its still too early to say that Taiwan could be treated unfair this year, especially if they end up in a Pacific Rim bracket. Definitely in Taiwan's favor.

                    Island Slugger
                    Pool A Tokyo Dome Japan Cuba China
                    Pool B Somewhere in Asia/Oceania Korea
                    Pool C Phoenix USA
                    Pool D USA or Latin America Venezuela

                    RallyMonkey
                    Tokyo: Japan, Cuba, China, Taiwan pool winner. Anaheim: South Korea, Mexico, Australia, Jupiter pool winner. Phoenix: USA, Dominican Republic, Italy, Regensburg pool winner. San Juan: Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Netherlands, Panama pool winner.

                    I like Rally's picks, but I shifted a couple around to look original:
                    Tokyo: Japan, Cuba, China, Central America Winner. Anaheim/Pacific Rim: South Korea, Mexico, Australia, Taiwan Winner. Phoenix: USA, Dominican Republic, Italy, Regensburg pool winner. San Juan: Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Netherlands, Jupiter pool winner.

                    Reasoning: Cuba in Tokyo, its a better fit with two Latin teams. Spain and Israel both get a chance to stay closer to home , and should they somehow advance to Miami, fan-base. Group average rankings for my set three (and Rally Monkey *cap tip*) would be balanced, as most qualifier teams are made up of first-time country representatives anyways... not rankings-appropriate:
                    Tokyo: #7
                    Pacific Rim: #8
                    Phoenix: #9
                    San Juan: #7.3

                    Anybody else take notice that Phoenix is listed last on the WBC site? I understand that as Group D, winner to Miami.
                    http://web.worldbaseballclassic.com/...ls_and_venues/

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                    • I would prefer to watch Cuba in Miami.

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                      • Michael Roth, Ricky Oropesa Among Prospects Playing In WBC Qualifiers

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                        • Originally posted by Richard View Post
                          I would prefer to watch Cuba in Miami.
                          It'd be fun, but I personally don't want to see riots in the streets.

                          Originally posted by PLowry View Post
                          Pool A in Tokyo DID NOT follow CincyFan's plan, with #2 South Korea, #4 Japan, #5 Taiwan, and #15 China.
                          On what planet was the Taiwanese baseball team the 5th-best team in the world going into the 2009 World Baseball Classic? (On what planet was Japan 4th...going into 2009?) The IBAF rankings were nowhere near representative of reality and are made using events that used little of the players that played in the tournament, making them irrelevant. Why should the Under-18 World Championship have any determination on ranking WBC teams?

                          Two top eight teams per pool in 2009 correlates to who made the 2nd round in 2006. Which is what happened. And that actually held well as 7 of those 8 teams made the 2nd round, exception being the Dutch upsetting the Dominicans.

                          That's the reason the pool exists though, for teams in Asia.

                          If this is the case, why bother with Cuba during this edition then? Why not just repeat the four Asian countries again?
                          Good question. My assumption is it's a favor to the Cuban fed by giving them less time on Puerto Rican/American land and therefore less potential days for their players to defect more easily. For South Korea they can be a standalone Californian draw as they've seen in the past two editions to help sell tickets for a pool there. Plus, for competitive reasons, it is better to have South Korea and Japan in separate pools starting out. Taiwan I don't think they are going to sell tickets like South Korea can and competitive-wise they're not much from recent history, in the WBC they lost to China in 2009, and in minor events like the World Cup in 2011 they went 2-5 in the opening round. Taiwan are a team that are properly ranked by the organizers as one of the lesser teams in the Japanese pool.
                          Last edited by Cincy Fan; 09-06-2012, 01:50 PM.

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                          • I just know that some people were starting to be bugged by the constant Korea-Japan matchups.

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                            • I agree with everything CincyFan wrote just above. Smart analysis. (But then I've never hidden my contempt for the IBAF rankings here.)

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                              • An interesting report here about the Bahamian players I linked to above. They're excited to play for Team Great Britain, but they're making clear that they plan to represent the Bahamas in 2017. And to do that, the Bahamian federation will have to stop its internal squabbles and focus on developing a senior program. Another instance of how critical the WBC has been to the global development of baseball.

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