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  • #61
    Russia didn't even qualify for 2009 because Russian lose Greek 5:0
    (American picher have no-hitter)
    Such Greek (where play only yankee) team in 2003:
    http://current.baseballeurope.com/history/esa2003.html
    Ukrainian Baseball: www.baseball.in.ua

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Alexx1971 View Post
      Kai Gronauer - who is it?
      Look at this
      http://current.baseballeurope.com/hi...s/eu200110.htm

      Russian guys hit 2 homerun on R.Cordemans !!!
      Kai Gronauer? Where he play?
      Kai Gronauer is a German catcher who signed a 2-year minor league deal with the New York Mets back in 2008

      He played for the GCL Mets in his first minor league season, hitting .356/.408/.378 in 16 games

      Sian xx
      Sian xx

      South Africa Baseball-
      Baseball World Cup- 9th (1974), 15th (1998), 14th (2001), 17th (2005), 15th (2007)
      All-Africa Games- CHAMPIONS (1999 & 2003)
      Olympic Baseball- 8th (2000)
      World Baseball Classic- 16th (2006), 16th (2009)

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Sweet_Bokke View Post
        Just squeezing two or more countries together for no other reason than to make them more competitive doesn't really cut it with me

        Sian xx
        squeezing Russia+Ukraine+Belarus - it's second (or third) team in Eurobaseball and candidate on WBC'2013 or WBC'2017
        Ukrainian Baseball: www.baseball.in.ua

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Sweet_Bokke View Post
          Kai Gronauer is a German catcher who signed a 2-year minor league deal with the New York Mets back in 2008

          He played for the GCL Mets in his first minor league season, hitting .356/.408/.378 in 16 games

          Sian xx
          But it's or "A" or Rookie League
          Ukrainian Baseball: www.baseball.in.ua

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          • #65
            The GCL is rookie-level baseball, it's the first step on the long road to the Major Leagues- it's certainly an improvement over the general talent level of German or Russian domestic baseball

            Sian xx
            Sian xx

            South Africa Baseball-
            Baseball World Cup- 9th (1974), 15th (1998), 14th (2001), 17th (2005), 15th (2007)
            All-Africa Games- CHAMPIONS (1999 & 2003)
            Olympic Baseball- 8th (2000)
            World Baseball Classic- 16th (2006), 16th (2009)

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Sweet_Bokke View Post
              The GCL is rookie-level baseball, it's the first step on the long road to the Major Leagues- it's certainly an improvement over the general talent level of German or Russian domestic baseball

              Sian xx
              OK. But this guy - 1.
              Look at these page:
              http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Moscow
              Oleg Korneev, Lobanov Bros, Vasiliev
              Vasiliev pitch about 94 mph
              Ukrainian Baseball: www.baseball.in.ua

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Alexx1971 View Post
                OK. But this guy - 1.
                Look at these page:
                http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Moscow
                Oleg Korneev, Lobanov Bros, Vasiliev
                Vasiliev pitch about 94 mph
                Korneev's minor league career doesn't look any better than the Germans in the US like Jennell Hudson and Tim Henkenjohann. Vasiliev never even played in the minors, unlike the best German catchers (Gronauer and Simon Guhring).

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Mischa View Post
                  Vasiliev never even played in the minors, unlike the best German catchers (Gronauer and Simon Guhring).
                  Special for you: Russia - Germany - 7:2 (last their match, copy from CEB site):
                  http://www.baseball.in.ua/nat/eu200509.htm

                  GUHRING & GRONAUER play in this match !!!
                  Are you have another question ?

                  Germany ALWAYS lose to Russia
                  Ukrainian Baseball: www.baseball.in.ua

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Alexx1971 View Post
                    Special for you: Russia - Germany - 7:2 (last their match, copy frov CEB site):
                    http://www.baseball.in.ua/nat/eu200509.htm

                    GUHRING & GRONAUER play in this match !!!
                    Are you have another question ?
                    Yeah, I do.

                    If that were the WBC, 3 MLBers born in Germany would most likely be playing (all sucessful, sold MLers too): INF Jeff Baker, P Will Ohman, and P Edwin Jackson. There is NO way a Russian team would score 7 runs off Jackson or Ohman

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                    • #70
                      If ex-USSR countries will play united team, - indifferent who will pitched in Germany (Jackson or Ohman).
                      Germany will loser
                      Ukrainian Baseball: www.baseball.in.ua

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                      • #71
                        How close is Germany to competing internationally at a high level?

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                        • #72
                          Miller (citizen the Germany) headed in CEB 2005, and Germany grow in baseball again.
                          Are you know about level the baseball in Russian and Ukraine ?
                          We lose NOW ( Russian or Ukraine) to Germany but united team win Germany.

                          In our countries the officials steal too much

                          If MLB (or MILB) would put(invest) money at Ukrainian and Russian baseball, in some years the quantity Russian and Ukrainian players in MLB would be more, than all Europeans together.
                          Last edited by Alexx1971; 03-19-2009, 11:50 PM.
                          Ukrainian Baseball: www.baseball.in.ua

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by SupCompleteNerds View Post
                            Oh, so is it on a set schedule or is it just randomly picked years?
                            It is on a set schedule starting with this year. From now on it will be every 4 years, so 2013, 2017, etc.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Sweet_Bokke View Post
                              I had the following idea on a format for a 24-team WBC in 2013....it's kind of just me thinking aloud, so apologies if it gets confusing lol
                              You’re not kidding about the confusing part... I'm not sure the WBC Steering Committee will use such a format. I can see the following format being used. Round 1 would consist of the “minnows” and some mid-tier teams. The top two teams advance to Round 2 and join two of the top eight from the 2009 WBC.

                              Round 1
                              Group A
                              China
                              Philippines
                              Spain
                              Taiwan

                              Group B
                              Australia
                              Czech Republic
                              Nicaragua
                              South Africa

                              Group C
                              Colombia
                              Dominican Republic
                              Germany
                              Panama

                              Group D
                              Brazil
                              Canada
                              Great Britain
                              Italy
                              --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              Assuming the group favorites advanced: (One 2009 WBC Semi-Finalist in each group)
                              Round 2
                              Group 1
                              Japan
                              Netherlands
                              Group A Winner & Runner-up:
                              China
                              Taiwan

                              Group 2
                              Cuba
                              South Korea
                              Group B Winner & Runner-up:
                              Australia
                              Nicaragua

                              Group 3
                              Puerto Rico
                              USA
                              Group C Winner & Runner-up:
                              Panama
                              Dominican Republic

                              Group 4
                              Mexico
                              Venezuela
                              Group D Winner & Runner-up:
                              Canada
                              Italy

                              The rest of the tournament would follow the previous format.

                              I would also like to see pool play instead of double elimination.
                              Here is an idea from a previous post of mine:

                              The following doesn’t deviate too much from the previous format: In a pool of four teams the three way tie is the problem. Let’s look at the only the two 3-way tie scenarios possible, from the 2006 WBC. Both are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

                              PHP Code:
                              1)Pool B        Tiebreaker
                                 Mexico 2
                              -1    1-11.59 RA/9
                                 USA    2
                              -1    1-14.00 RA/9
                                 Canada 2
                              -1    1-17.50 RA/9
                                 RSA    0
                              -
                              The team with the lowest Runs Allowed per 9 innings (RA/9), in this case, Mexico advances to the next round, but a tiebreaker game where the USA hosts Canada is played to determine the second berth. This format wouldn’t take more than 7 games and every team would play each other. The other scenario is more complicated, because there is only one berth available.

                              PHP Code:
                              2)Pool 1          Tiebreaker
                                 Korea   3
                              -0
                                 Japan   1
                              -2    1-12.50 RA/9
                                 USA     1
                              -2    1-12.64 RA/9
                                 Mexico  1
                              -2    1-13.50 RA/
                              In this case Mexico would be eliminated, because it has the highest RA/9, therefore Japan hosts the USA in a tiebreaker game to advance to the next round. Again, this format wouldn’t take more than 7 games and every team would play each other. There is a double standard, but remember a team with a winning record will only be eliminated on the field and a team with a losing record can be eliminated by a formula.
                              Last edited by SouthwestAmAZins; 03-20-2009, 05:30 PM.

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                              • #75
                                The system NEA describes here is the logical way to break the three-way ties in a four-team round-robin pool.

                                Originally posted by spark240 View Post
                                I'm starting to think it would have made more sense to stick with straight round-robin, plus a formula for adding a single (seventh) tiebreaker game in each pool.
                                The arguments against this which occur to me are,

                                1. There is still a statistical formula which announcers and writers will have to repeatedly explain to viewers and readers. In short, this annoys people and drives away casual fans. The double-elimination bracket diagram may have looked a little complicated to some, but at least it could be drawn. You can't draw the round-robin plus RA/9 ranking and tiebreaker.

                                2. Why is it RA/9? Why is allowing fewer runs more important than scoring more runs, or any other measure?

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