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  • #91
    Joe Morgan said on yesterday's game that the WBC should be at the end of spring training and shorten up the season. I think they should starts spring training a week earlier and end a week earlier. Then have the WBC start after spring training. To compensate cutting the 2 weeks of the mlb season they could cancel the all star game for that year and then they would only have to take out a week of games.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by twinsfan09 View Post
      Joe Morgan said on yesterday's game that the WBC should be at the end of spring training and shorten up the season. I think they should starts spring training a week earlier and end a week earlier. Then have the WBC start after spring training. To compensate cutting the 2 weeks of the mlb season they could cancel the all star game for that year and then they would only have to take out a week of games.
      I really wish that was the case. For that to happen two things have to occur one the WBC popularity has to soar beyond anything that MLB teams can think of. The tournament is popular outside the USA for sure but until it is popular in the USA MLB teams will not feel pressure to do anything drastic because their loyalty is to fans in the united states. the other thing is for teams to get some of the WBC money compensation i guess. I do not want to see that because MLB teams are already getting enough money and are a bit greedy. But because countries PR, DR, USA, VZ, CUBA, JPN, maybe KOR, do not need to develop their baseball sure it be nice for their representatives to get money to help development but they do not need that much unlike europe, south africa and so on. so rather then giving more money to teams from the WBC give it to MLB Teams for some sort of compensation. This is the only way I think for MLB to want to shorten it's season.

      Another thing that might help but it is years away is that the next commissioner of baseball to grow some balls and kick steroids out and support the classic. I just pray the next commissioner of baseball is pro world baseball classic.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by quinnystar27 View Post
        Another thing that might help but it is years away is that the next commissioner of baseball to grow some balls and kick steroids out and support the classic. I just pray the next commissioner of baseball is pro world baseball classic.
        ?????

        MLB has been testing for steroids for 5 years or more, and while I'm no fan of Bud Selig, he's very, very pro-WBC.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Agente Libre View Post
          ?????

          MLB has been testing for steroids for 5 years or more, and while I'm no fan of Bud Selig, he's very, very pro-WBC.
          not saying selig is not i just hope the next commissioner is pro WBC

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          • #95
            When the international dollars, yen, pesos or whatever become overwhelming and as large or larger than the domestic dollars, then even most of the MLB owners and any commissioner will be pro-WBC. In a generation or so, this will become a huge tournament especially when another sixteen or so nations are added.

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            • #96
              I donĀ“t know if it was mentioned here before but I think the next WBC should have more venues all over the world. Not only the teams making are wbc the destinations also.
              Let the teams go out there in the world and show that baseball is a global game and let them play where they normally not playing.
              At least a venue at every continent it is a little bit more of travelling but it will help to grow the game
              1st round with 4 pools on 3 continents and split the top 8 in here plus the rest by draw host nation is in his homepool single round robin
              Europe, 2 x Australia, Africa (6 Teams at every pool)

              From here they advance into 2 groups to Asia and South America with split groups Asian/South American the rest by draw single round robin

              From here they advance to North America maybe Mexico, California or Florida with one pool and a single round robin or finals

              For the next WBC the venues, continents shift so that a continent will have after 5 WBC the final round again.
              The only thing you know is you never know and that you know for sure!

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              • #97
                Wouldn't it be better for the whole WBC to be held in one region? It would reduce travel time and the duration of the tournament. I wouldn't mind seeing Asia & Australia hosting it in 2013, North America in 2017, and possibly Latin America in 2021.

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                • #98
                  That might be better but i think the attendance will be sold out for sure in latin america right. You look at the number PR brought and i am sure venezuela and DR will bring the same interest. I dont see a problem with japan other then attendance i went to three classic venues this year tokyo first round, miami second round and LA. I saw all games in tokyo and noticed that if it wasnt japan playing there were no people. And i ask my japanese friends and they said they rather just watch japan. So i do not know if venezuela USA will bring a lot of interest. Latin america lacks the modern stadiums yet DR is making plans to make a state of the art stadium. I do not think the tournament should be done in north america again. Also i would like to see it in Australia but i do not think there will be much interest.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by quinnystar27 View Post
                    Also i would like to see it in Australia but i do not think there will be much interest.
                    In Australia? But Australia not have ballparks with good capacity (20 000 and more)
                    Really WBC2013 make in Japan-Korea
                    They had success in 2002 (FIFA World Cup)
                    But soccer not popular in Korea & Japan.
                    WBC2013 in Korea-JApan will have success
                    Ukrainian Baseball: www.baseball.in.ua

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                    • I think we can expect to see the following in 2013:

                      The tournament will take place in March again.

                      There will be a play-in round for at least eight new teams and the bottom eight or twelve teams from the 2009 tournament.

                      South Korea will host one of the second round pools.

                      The Dominican Republic will host one of the first or second round pools.

                      Los Angeles, Anaheim, or Phoenix will host one of the quarter-final pools.

                      Miami will host the semi-finals and finals in its new ballpark.

                      Here's why I predict these things. South Korea has a definite claim to host a round. So if the WBC organizers give it to Japan again, Korea will rightfully demand to know why--and the specter of a boycott (such as the D.R. threatened this time around) could arise. What's more, I understand that Incheon plans to build a domed baseball stadium for the 2014 Asia Games. If this is ready to go by early 2013, I don't see how the WBC can say no.

                      The D.R.'s threatened boycott fizzled out this year, but we'll hear more about it as 2013 approaches. The D.R. can rightfully claim that their fans deserve to see them play. If they can get their act together in time, I don't see how the WBC says no--especially if the island is hosting one of the play-in rounds where tickets can be priced lower and the infrastructure doesn't need to be world-class.

                      I think the greater L.A. area has shown that its large ethnic communities and baseball-loving public are a perfect match for the WBC. The Dodger Stadium games were a huge success. (For those who noticed that the games didn't sell out, remember that it's a huge stadium. Dodger playoff games sometimes don't sell out.) Phoenix doesn't share L.A.'s demographics, but it's a baseball mecca in March. And with more promotion, I think the tournament could definitely be a draw for snowbirds.

                      (For what it's worth, I'd like to see the quarterfinals held in a single city. I know that that's a challenge for TV ratings, but it would make the tournament easier to promote and more of a draw for out-of-towners, I think.)

                      MLB has emphatically promised Miami officials that the WBC will be located there in 2013 if the county agrees to build the Marlins a new ballpark. Now that that's happened, I don't see how the WBC reneges on its promise. Too bad because, as I've written here for months, Miami hates going to baseball games.

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                      • You know I was wondering why can't they do the WBC in november. I went to three rounds of this year the WBC, tokyo, miami and LA and i was asking fans and tried to talk to some WBC officials about the timing. I had more luck with fans then official yet i spoke to a couple people. First of all the idea of doing it in all star game will not work, so matter what jason stark says, most people gave me 4 reasons.

                        1: If your a club team owner and you have a choice of either having your player get hurt in march or july in games that the club thinks are meaningless you rather in march. If Arod got hurt in july instead of march people would be freaking out.

                        2: You have to split the rounds play the first rounds in march, then do the later rounds in july. That breaks up team chemistry especially for teams like korea, Japan, netherlands and italy who do not play in the MLB. They have to fly back to their home country not see their teammates for a while then come back and expect to bond immediately.

                        3: Injuries, more then likely someone will get injured during that time and change the roster. People got mad that USA changed it's roster or adding on player imagine your are completely changing your roster.

                        Reason number only came from japanese fans and it was that if they do it in ALL STAR weekend japan might not get to see it team because it will probably be done in the USA. Because USA fans will not like to see all star weekend in japan.

                        Now about november, i first started asking fans and i will split by nationality

                        Japanese fans: The 2008 japan series was done in november from the 1st to the 9th. The climax series was done just a week before. Problem you are stopping the japanese league during playoffs. That momentum will be gone, you cannot stop for a month then finish the playoffs. Also the japanese season is already short and they do not want to see it shorten.

                        American fans: there was less concern about it being played in november some thought it was a good idea. A couple people said that people in the world series players should not be eligible and if the red sox are in the world series dice k, pedoria ortiz will not go. I can tell you most of the countries fans will be very angry. Japan is missing a national hero, pedoria probably the best 2nd baseman, ortiz national icon.

                        Latin american fans: sorry i grouped them in one group but i spoke to a lot of different people. This was split 50/50 pretty much. The concern was winter leagues though most people did not mind their winter leagues being interrupted they felt that many players would not go back to winter leagues and for some fans that is the only chance to see the players up close. Other felt players would be injured by the end of november and want to rest. Again there wasnt a resentment or a major favorable approvable.

                        Korean fans: the korean series began oct. 26 and ended the 31st again you would be interrupted the playoffs and also players in the series might not be eligible. And will not have practiced with the team. The most surprising note was the Konami Asia series comment one fan told me. He felt that it wasn't fair to suspend or greatly postpone the konami cup. He also felt that some korean players would have played the season, then go to the WBC, and if their teams wins the korean series then they have to play the asia series. Three major tournaments in a 2 month period for korea, and japan. This fan also felt if kbo has it change it's season so should MLB and NPB.

                        WBC officials: first none of these officials i believe have any real saying power in the WBC but just people who helped organize the tournament in the sense of getting the stadiums ready. Some said they think it might work others said march in the best time. The reason they liked march was because there is no major baseball in march, the weather works so that you can play in north american and japan. It is a great introduction for the pro seasons. Also players do not have to play after a trying season. they also said it was hard to schedule with all major leagues and most owners did like march.

                        All this information is not official but just questions i asked various people during my WBC trip. I dont know if november is better but after talking and thinking about it a lot march does seem like the only time.

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                        • Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
                          I think we can expect to see the following in 2013:

                          ...

                          Miami will host the semi-finals and finals in its new ballpark.

                          ...

                          MLB has emphatically promised Miami officials that the WBC will be located there in 2013 if the county agrees to build the Marlins a new ballpark. Now that that's happened, I don't see how the WBC reneges on its promise. Too bad because, as I've written here for months, Miami hates going to baseball games.
                          MLB has promised the finals, or simply a round of the WBC like this year? I can't see Miami getting the finals as soon as 2013, for the same reason Cuba was kept far, far away from Miami in this year's event.

                          Otherwise, I agree with most of what you said. I think one change might be that instead of three or four distinct rounds and venues, the 2013 event will have the last two rounds in the same location, in order to cut down on travel and days off. Condensing the 2013 WBC schedule seems to be a high priority from what MLB execs like Selig and Paul Archey have been saying.

                          Originally posted by quinnystar27 View Post
                          You know I was wondering why can't they do the WBC in november. ...
                          A lot of this makes sense but it would be counterproductive for MLB. First of all, they would never want to take the focus away from the World Series by having the WBC immediately follow it. But more importantly, it's a logistical nightmare.

                          Look at it this way: 26 out of 30 MLB teams are done playing by the first week of October. That means, instead of getting ready 2 weeks early for a March WBC, MLB and minor league players would have to train for SIX weeks (from Oct. 1 end of regular season to mid-Nov. WBC) and then play games into Dec., which essentially adds 7-8 weeks to a player's season instead of the 2 weeks added by a March event. It's just not practical.

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                          • Originally posted by Agente Libre View Post
                            MLB has promised the finals, or simply a round of the WBC like this year? I can't see Miami getting the finals as soon as 2013, for the same reason Cuba was kept far, far away from Miami in this year's event.
                            According to this article, Miami will look to host the finals. And Bob DuPuy (MLB's COO) was on hand making that pitch.

                            Otherwise, I agree with most of what you said. I think one change might be that instead of three or four distinct rounds and venues, the 2013 event will have the last two rounds in the same location, in order to cut down on travel and days off. Condensing the 2013 WBC schedule seems to be a high priority from what MLB execs like Selig and Paul Archey have been saying.
                            Do you mean having the finals in the same place as the quarter-final pools? Or only the quarter-final pools in the same place?

                            I agree that condensing the tournament and avoiding days off is really a good idea.

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                            • If any early round games are played in the United States I hope they are played in Spring Training stadiums. A packed 9,000-13,000 seat park looks a lot better than a half full giant MLB stadium. Unless, of course, they wanted to have the U.S. play a few games in Milwaukee (that would be just fine with me ) I wonder what kind of crowd the Japan team would draw at Safeco Field?

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                              • Originally posted by Agente Libre View Post
                                A lot of this makes sense but it would be counterproductive for MLB. First of all, they would never want to take the focus away from the World Series by having the WBC immediately follow it. But more importantly, it's a logistical nightmare.

                                Look at it this way: 26 out of 30 MLB teams are done playing by the first week of October. That means, instead of getting ready 2 weeks early for a March WBC, MLB and minor league players would have to train for SIX weeks (from Oct. 1 end of regular season to mid-Nov. WBC) and then play games into Dec., which essentially adds 7-8 weeks to a player's season instead of the 2 weeks added by a March event. It's just not practical.
                                I wonder whether the weather has a lot to do with that timing as well. It is not ideal in Spring, but with the WS going deep into October the weather in many parts of USA is suspect, including the traditional Spring venues for ST!! To be quite honest, as a World Championship, Spring is about the only option, unless the whole tournament was played in the Southern Hemisphere which is hardly like at the moment.
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