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  • Hey Guys,

    As a Brit I'd like to mention that if you live in a commonwealth country that does not qualify you for a British passport. Granted a lot of people who live in commonwealth or ex commonwealth will have British ancestors and therefore qualify for a passport, but just being born in Canada doesn't make you eligible for the GB team.

    I'm with Paula and hope we also take the strongest team possible, not just because of the money but because of the exposure that the sports needs in this country, especially after baseball was taken out of the Olympics. In my eyes he WBC at the moment is all about spreading the sport.

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    • Originally posted by FDot25 View Post
      Hey Guys,

      As a Brit I'd like to mention that if you live in a commonwealth country that does not qualify you for a British passport. Granted a lot of people who live in commonwealth or ex commonwealth will have British ancestors and therefore qualify for a passport, but just being born in Canada doesn't make you eligible for the GB team.

      I'm with Paula and hope we also take the strongest team possible, not just because of the money but because of the exposure that the sports needs in this country, especially after baseball was taken out of the Olympics. In my eyes he WBC at the moment is all about spreading the sport.
      Yeah it appears thats true then. You do get some good rights still like right to vote and hold office!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_citizen

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      • Here is the latest news...An Interview with Brian Essery, Recruitment Director of Great Britain Baseball

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        • Originally posted by NewEnglandAmazins View Post
          Not a lot of new news there, unfortunately. I know it's pretty obvious by now, but it needs to be said: The 2013 World Baseball Classic starts in just 12 months, people. To say the least, it's pretty concerning that MLB hasn't announced the venues yet.

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          • Originally posted by NewEnglandAmazins View Post
            I spoke with a member of the Great Britain team over the weekend, and he said they do not know anything. The one thing he did say is that they received an email asking who might be available from September 4th through the 30th, so as to cover the Euro's, and potentially a WBC qualifier. That leads credence to the September theories, but who is to say. He said that is a lot to ask guys who have jobs and families; to go away for a month. So, we continue to wait...

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            • Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post

              Not a lot of new news there, unfortunately. I know it's pretty obvious by now, but it needs to be said: The 2013 World Baseball Classic starts in just 12 months, people. To say the least, it's pretty concerning that MLB hasn't announced the venues yet.
              Yes, it's slim pick'ens for WBC related news.

              Originally posted by Unit312J View Post
              I spoke with a member of the Great Britain team over the weekend, and he said they do not know anything. The one thing he did say is that they received an email asking who might be available from September 4th through the 30th, so as to cover the Euro's, and potentially a WBC qualifier. That leads credence to the September theories, but who is to say. He said that is a lot to ask guys who have jobs and families; to go away for a month. So, we continue to wait...
              Any idea what's the reason for the hold up; are they still trying to get Japan to participate or proceeding without Japan has proven to be more challenging to organize?

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              • Canadian news on the WBC and Canadian NT on sportnset.ca. (They are the bigger of Canada's two sports networks for baseball since they own the Blue Jays)

                http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/201...seball_canada/

                So organizers wanted Vancouver to host a quali tourney but it did not make financial sense and no other cities work real well. September is mentioned again here so I think that's definite. I still think Winnipeg or Edmonton could have worked in September. So that means no major leaguers on quali teams, right.

                Other then that, it sounds like Toronto is waiting on Canada's success in the quali before committing to bidding for actual WBC hosting and Canada is worried about other countries pushing to naturalize players before quali rosters have to be set.

                Lastly, Germany is mentioned again as a host event.

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                • Originally posted by cutchemist42 View Post
                  Canadian news on the WBC and Canadian NT on sportnset.ca. (They are the bigger of Canada's two sports networks for baseball since they own the Blue Jays)

                  http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/201...seball_canada/

                  So organizers wanted Vancouver to host a quali tourney but it did not make financial sense and no other cities work real well. September is mentioned again here so I think that's definite. I still think Winnipeg or Edmonton could have worked in September. So that means no major leaguers on quali teams, right.

                  Other then that, it sounds like Toronto is waiting on Canada's success in the quali before committing to bidding for actual WBC hosting and Canada is worried about other countries pushing to naturalize players before quali rosters have to be set.

                  Lastly, Germany is mentioned again as a host event.
                  I think you can look in Germany in September and Taiwan in November as hosts. After that I think September will be the time as wel, and that helps some teams and hurts others...Especially if certain players are in the playoffs for minors. My contact in New Zealand was hoping for a September qualifer because he wanted his players more game ready. The November qualifier requires a slightly longer training camp to get them game ready and all that pre-WBC stuff comes out of the federations own pocket. For countries like New Zealand, where they have to fly EVERYBODY in it gets costly. The wait is agonzing, and inexplicable.

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                  • Originally posted by Unit312J View Post
                    I think you can look in Germany in September and Taiwan in November as hosts. After that I think September will be the time as wel, and that helps some teams and hurts others...Especially if certain players are in the playoffs for minors. My contact in New Zealand was hoping for a September qualifer because he wanted his players more game ready. The November qualifier requires a slightly longer training camp to get them game ready and all that pre-WBC stuff comes out of the federations own pocket. For countries like New Zealand, where they have to fly EVERYBODY in it gets costly. The wait is agonzing, and inexplicable.
                    a lot of interesting stuff in that Sportsnet article. First, it's pretty obvious that the Japanese players' hold-out is the chief culprit here. It's also becoming clear how much that hold-out is playing havoc with Team Canada--to say nothing of New Zealand and other qualifiers who need certainty in order to recruit players, line up sponsors, and the rest. Awful.

                    Also, I read the article to suggest that the Germany and a possible Florida pool could be pushed back to November. And, perhaps most interesting of all, no members of an MLB 40-man roster will be eligible for the qualifiers. And that means, it seems, that--irrespective of when the qualifiers take place--the teams won't have any major leaguers on them.

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                    • Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
                      a lot of interesting stuff in that Sportsnet article. First, it's pretty obvious that the Japanese players' hold-out is the chief culprit here. It's also becoming clear how much that hold-out is playing havoc with Team Canada--to say nothing of New Zealand and other qualifiers who need certainty in order to recruit players, line up sponsors, and the rest. Awful.

                      Also, I read the article to suggest that the Germany and a possible Florida pool could be pushed back to November. And, perhaps most interesting of all, no members of an MLB 40-man roster will be eligible for the qualifiers. And that means, it seems, that--irrespective of when the qualifiers take place--the teams won't have any major leaguers on them.
                      Yeah this quote from the sportsnet article seems to indicate no MLBers in the qualis.

                      "That is the danger both for Canada, and World Baseball Classic organizers, who risk missing out on stars such as Joey Votto, Justin Morneau, Jason Bay, Russell Martin, John Axford and Brett Lawrie should an upset occur."

                      I still wish the quali length was longer. I rarely get to watch international baseball and I want something more then 3 games!

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                      • A lot of good talk on this board. Im impressed at how much some people know about baseball in Europe, especially Paula! I've been waiting about two weeks to get my registration confirmed, now I'm finally able to contribute, so please pardon the long rant...

                        Having played in some of these countries, and as a person who takes the development of the game abroad seriously, it is both understandable and unfortunate that some teams choose to fill their rosters with players who have only a slight connection to the nation on their uniform. Whether it be religion (Israel), commonwealth (GB) or heritage (Spain), not many people can say that importing talent truly benefits the development of the game. These hired guns make only short stays with their new teams, taking advantage of the chance to play in tournaments. Players in the country who are replaced don't learn from the experience, and the actual team or federation is left at the mercy of the big name imports.

                        GB is just one example of this, with their weak league and floundering national team program that is nearly entirely reliant on imports for their success. Israel, whom I supported 110% during their hosting of the ECQ last year, has done a good job of at least getting Israelis with US baseball experience, sending players to college, etc. If they were to flip their roster for the WBCQ purely for the sake of making it, I would have no choice but to cheer against them. With friends on the current roster, I don't want to see the investment by the Israel Baseball Federation sacrificed by replacing Israelis with Jews, and them missing the opportunity of a lifetime to actually improve the standing of baseball in Israel.

                        Those familiar with Greece's baseball plight might see it as a warning to countries: you can import players, but you can't import interest in the game. Orioles owner Angelos did a great job of recruiting American ball players with Greek family history, and sponsored a Greek referendum that allowed athletes to become citizens without much trouble, allowing the Greeks to put a respectable baseball team on the field during the Olympics the year they hosted. Now, there aren't any decent baseball fields in Greece, and the best players look for opportunities in Italy and Germany to play. A team that is still made up of (aging) Americans got destroyed in Panama this past fall at the World Cup.

                        The reason why I bring this up isn't to criticize Greece, but to pose this question:
                        which benefits baseball more, an inexperienced German team that has two non-German born players on their 40-man list of players up for the team, or an aging Greece team that is 75% Americans?

                        If I had Greek citizenship, you bet your hat I would sign up to play for them. The onus is on IBAF, MLB, and WBC directors to determine what works best for the game, so that our sport can make gains on the popularity of soccer around the globe. There are many limits to recreational baseball (equipment, team size, time, etc) that other sports don't have (shooting hoops, kicking at a goal).

                        With the agreement between IBAF and MLB on the restructuring of the World Cup, I can imagine that MLB has their eyes clearly trained down the road. After all, Netherlands as world champions gets lots of attention in new markets (small country overcomes baseball powerhouses to win, sounds like a Hollywood plotline). Instituting amateur rules for U21 and U18 world championships ensures that native players receive a more fair chance, meaning we could see a shift in WBC policy in 3/6 years that places limits on nationality.

                        MLB isn't NFP, its about money, so looking at these decisions there is obvious motivation: Germany is the biggest market in Europe, nearly no baseball saturation, and Coach Frady's success (along with prospects performing better than past German signees), so the reward of hosting is a decent bone to throw their way. The German Federation (DBV) has not made moves to improve the Bundesliga, but this has primarily been because lower level clubs have two feet on the brakes, hurting the strides made by clubs such as Bonn, Solingen, Regensburg, and even Stuttgart (among others).

                        In Israel, you have a country where a serious baseball league failed, but a clearly defined fan base in America means potential for insane revenue. Imagine if Israel were to get a share of WBC profits, and could build a second legitimate baseball stadium in the Tel Aviv area...the current main field is on a Baptist camp, out in the country. If more people saw a field in a metropolitan area, I know for a fact this would raise interest among the public, and inspire and motivate the baseball playing youth. Also, Selig and other Jews in connections to the MLB were on the Israel Baseball League board, so there is clear support from MLB for Israeli participation, despite not earning it.

                        MLB will set up the qualifiers to put the teams they want in the WBC. Whether its money, competitiveness, or what have you, they have a clear interest in raising the profile of the tournament abroad (see: South Africa). A qualifier in the US can fit or hurt that, depending on whether you think money or interest level is of bigger importance in a qualifier. A country's program being left in the dark about participation has zero-sway; MLB covers their participation anyways, so no need to bite the hand that feeds. If you track MLB investment over the recent years, I think the signs will point to your answers of what we'll hear when the release finally comes.

                        *phew*
                        Last edited by TheInternationalGame; 03-09-2012, 08:12 AM. Reason: sp

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                        • I must make one thing clear...Nobody I've spoken to from any of the lesser tier countries and organizations are trying to bite the hand that feeds them. They are happy to be part of this experience, and as you may now from some of the Sweden contingents who are upset they were not included they are not talking trash. They are well aware that MLB picks up the tab, ONCE THEY LEAVE FOR THE TOURNAMENT. Some of these countries will be spending their own money to get their team together earlier to have some workouts and that will be on their own dime. That's what they are trying to raise money for.

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                          • Great post by TheInternationalGame above. Lots to think about...

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                            • 12/3/11: 12/15/11:
                              Tournament organizers are in the process of signing a team to replace two-time defending champion Japan and securing a venue to host the Asian round. Once those contracts are signed, Japan will no longer be able to participate.

                              "These [contracts] could be done within 30 days. If it is any later it's not because we are waiting for Japan,"Jim Small, Major League baseball's vice president for Asia said Wednesday.
                              2/26/12:
                              Originally posted by Unit312J View Post
                              Now, I heard today, from sources I will not reveal, that an announcement will come the first week of March
                              At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if there is still no announcement by the All-Star break.

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                              • Originally posted by Unit312J View Post
                                I must make one thing clear...Nobody I've spoken to from any of the lesser tier countries and organizations are trying to bite the hand that feeds them. They are happy to be part of this experience, and as you may now from some of the Sweden contingents who are upset they were not included they are not talking trash. They are well aware that MLB picks up the tab, ONCE THEY LEAVE FOR THE TOURNAMENT. Some of these countries will be spending their own money to get their team together earlier to have some workouts and that will be on their own dime. That's what they are trying to raise money for.
                                Agree 100%...maybe I didnt word it as well as you did. Sweden is a great example, and also Croatia. The European Championship will hopefully get more attention this year, with the WBC storyline behind it.

                                Most teams in the qualifiers will have a tough time financing training camps and organization; teams like NZ have a large number of their players strewn throughout the world playing all summer, but others have advantages. Czech has the Prague Baseball Week each year, Spain has a long season with an early start.

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