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  • So will the November qualifiers allow 40-man roster players?

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    • Originally posted by cutchemist42 View Post
      So will the November qualifiers allow 40-man roster players?
      My understanding is that the answer is no.

      Originally posted by TheInternationalGame View Post
      Glad you're also a fan of 'The Brown Hulk' Lutz, but I can't disagree more!
      1) If MLBI wanted Canada to be a lock, they'd have put them in the Florida group. Less travel and organization required, and (just my opinion) Spain/Israel/France is much weaker than Czech/Germany/GB.

      2) I brought up the issue of money in an earlier post, and I think thats why teams Spain and Israel were put in Florida. Its also why Germany was selected to host: A) interest in Regensburgs baseball activity B) Largest European market, where majority understand conversational English. Giving Germany an edge to advance could balance out any loss from Canada.

      "I disagree, the Panama pool is far more competitive than the Germany pool."

      Ditto: but Japan will participate. Moot point, I believe.
      A few things. I agree that if MLB really wanted to insure that Canada advances, it would've put 'em in the Florida pool. That's why so many of us here predicted that that's where they'd end up. I can only speculate that the organizers are confident that Canada will field a strong enough team to handle the Germans--and that the prospect of having a third European team block South Africa from the main tournament was a bridge too far. To my eyes, at least, the WBC has really valued having teams from every continent appear in the tournament. (Ironically, I think they made a blunder here. Israel and, especially, Spain have a better chance of advancing than South Africa does, in my view.)

      [UPDATE: One theory I've been kicking around is that the WBC organizers purposefully put Team Canada in a more difficult pool to motivate Canada's best eligible players to get off the fence and agree to play. That'll make it easier for Baseball Canada to recruit, focus more of the public's attention on the qualifier, and give the Canucks a better chance of advancing. Win, win, win.]

      I also agree that Panama easily has the most competitive pool. With the exception of Brazil, it's the Pool of Death. If a second team is tapped to move on from any of the qualifiers, it should be from this pool.

      Originally posted by Unit312J View Post
      Yes, it is time to move on to speculation about where the opening rounds will be in March........I'm guess, if Japan is in, Tokyo (I'm sure MLB would HAVE to make that concession to get them in), San Juan, Hermosillo, and Miami
      The opening rounds will be in Tokyo (Japan will play), San Juan, Santo Domingo, and either Hermosillo (if the State Department says it's safe enough) or Arizona. The second round will be in San Juan and Dodger Stadium or the Big A. The semi-finals and finals will be at the new Miami Marlins ballpark.
      Last edited by Rally Monkey; 03-23-2012, 05:10 PM.

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      • If 40-man roster players are allowed, I think Columbia can come through and win the group of death. With Julio Tehran and Renteria anything can happen in this crazy game called baseball.

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        • Originally posted by USA101 View Post
          If 40-man roster players are allowed, I think Columbia can come through and win the group of death. With Julio Tehran and Renteria anything can happen in this crazy game called baseball.
          My bet is that Renteria either retires now or, if a team picks him up, at the end of the season. He'll find a way to make that Colombia team one way or the other.

          And I expect Teheran to be on the 40-man roster in November. But with how terrible his spring has been, who knows?

          Question for me is whether Vincente Padilla will eligible for Nicaragua's team. Looks like he's set to break camp in the Red Sox bullpen. But, still, you never know!
          Last edited by Rally Monkey; 03-23-2012, 05:01 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
            My bet is that Renteria either retires now or, if a team picks him up, at the end of the season. He'll find a way to make that Colombia team one way or the other.

            And I expect Teheran to be on the 40-man roster in November. But with how terrible his spring has been, who knows?

            Question for me is whether Vincente Padilla will eligible for Nicaragua's team. Looks like he's set to break camp in the Red Sox bullpen. But, still, you never know!
            The competition in Panama will occur in November so they'll be able to compete including Mariano.

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            • Originally posted by TheInternationalGame View Post
              Ditto: but Japan will participate. Moot point, I believe.
              Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
              The opening rounds will be in Tokyo (Japan will play)
              I know that MLB wants Japan to participate, but what makes you so certain?

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              • Originally posted by Richard View Post
                The competition in Panama will occur in November so they'll be able to compete including Mariano.
                I don't think that's right. From what I've read, the word is that none of the countries participating in the qualifying round can use players on the 40-man roster. That would mean that even the teams competing in November would be limited to minor league players. Mariano will have to retire before he can play for Team Panama.

                Originally posted by NewEnglandAmazins View Post
                I know that MLB wants Japan to participate, but what makes you so certain?
                For the reason you said: MLB wants Japan to participate. They'll make it happen.

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                • Here is a suggestion for those of us who are WBC fanatics. Once the actual dates are set for the Jupiter, Florida pool, and the teams are announced for the first two games, then might it be a good idea for those of us on this blog who intend to attend the Jupiter pool to arrange for tickets in a group and sit together and exchange ideas on the WBC ? Or perhaps if not getting seats together, set up a meeting time, like the intermission between the top of the fourth inning and the bottom of the fourth inning ? Those on this blog from Europe or Africa or Asia or Latin America could do the same for games hosted by Germany, Taiwan, Japan, Puerto Rico, Santo Domingo, etc. etc.

                  One of the strange things about the modified double elimination tournament rule is that if favorites always win, the #2 seed NEVER plays the #4 seed, and the #1 seed NEVER plays the #3 seed:

                  FIRST GAME --- #1 seed defeats #4 seed
                  SECOND GAME --- #2 seed defeats #3 seed
                  THIRD GAME for LOSERS of First Game and Second Game --- #3 defeats #4 seed --- #4 seed with 0-2 record is eliminated after just two games
                  FOURTH GAME for WINNERS of First Game and Second Game --- #1 seed defeats #2 seed
                  FIFTH GAME for WINNER of Third Game and LOSER of Fourth Game --- #2 defeats #3 seed --- #3 seed with 1-2 record is eliminated after three games
                  SIXTH GAME for WINNER of Fourth Game and WINNER of Fifth Game --- #1 seed with 2-0 record defeats #2 seed with 2-1 record --- #2 seed is eliminated with 2-2 record

                  HOWEVER, if SIXTH GAME winner is #2 seed, then the #2 seed WINS the pool with a 3-1 record over the #1 seed with a 2-1 record.

                  And as you can see, the #1 seed NEVER plays the #3 seed, and the #2 seed NEVER plays the #4 seed. This is the arrangement that was used in the 2009 WBC, confusing just about everyone, since a fan rooting for their country never knew in advance which games their country would be playing. The arrangement used in the 2006 WBC was in my opinion better, even though the tie-breakers were complicated. At least in 2006 you knew in advance the dates, times, and opposing teams for everyone.

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                  • Originally posted by PLowry View Post
                    Here is a suggestion for those of us who are WBC fanatics. Once the actual dates are set for the Jupiter, Florida pool, and the teams are announced for the first two games, then might it be a good idea for those of us on this blog who intend to attend the Jupiter pool to arrange for tickets in a group and sit together and exchange ideas on the WBC ? Or perhaps if not getting seats together, set up a meeting time, like the intermission between the top of the fourth inning and the bottom of the fourth inning ? Those on this blog from Europe or Africa or Asia or Latin America could do the same for games hosted by Germany, Taiwan, Japan, Puerto Rico, Santo Domingo, etc. etc.

                    One of the strange things about the modified double elimination tournament rule is that if favorites always win, the #2 seed NEVER plays the #4 seed, and the #1 seed NEVER plays the #3 seed:

                    FIRST GAME --- #1 seed defeats #4 seed
                    SECOND GAME --- #2 seed defeats #3 seed
                    THIRD GAME for LOSERS of First Game and Second Game --- #3 defeats #4 seed --- #4 seed with 0-2 record is eliminated after just two games
                    FOURTH GAME for WINNERS of First Game and Second Game --- #1 seed defeats #2 seed
                    FIFTH GAME for WINNER of Third Game and LOSER of Fourth Game --- #2 defeats #3 seed --- #3 seed with 1-2 record is eliminated after three games
                    SIXTH GAME for WINNER of Fourth Game and WINNER of Fifth Game --- #1 seed with 2-0 record defeats #2 seed with 2-1 record --- #2 seed is eliminated with 2-2 record

                    HOWEVER, if SIXTH GAME winner is #2 seed, then the #2 seed WINS the pool with a 3-1 record over the #1 seed with a 2-1 record.

                    And as you can see, the #1 seed NEVER plays the #3 seed, and the #2 seed NEVER plays the #4 seed. This is the arrangement that was used in the 2009 WBC, confusing just about everyone, since a fan rooting for their country never knew in advance which games their country would be playing. The arrangement used in the 2006 WBC was in my opinion better, even though the tie-breakers were complicated. At least in 2006 you knew in advance the dates, times, and opposing teams for everyone.
                    I'm on the other side of the state. Trust me...I wish I could be there.
                    sigpicMan, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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                    • The photos of the WBC ballparks were great; thank you !

                      I have always been more optlmistic about attendance being good for the Qualifier Round than most of you. Here is what I am guessing:

                      QUALIFIER ONE at Armin-Wolfe-Arena, Regensburg, Germany --- 9,000 per game

                      QUALIFIER TWO at Roger Dean Stadium, Jupiter, Florida --- 7,000 fans --- a sellout for every game

                      QUALIFIER THREE at XinZuang Stadium, Taipeia, Taiwan --- 11,000 per game

                      QUALIFIER FOUR at Estadio Rod Carew, Panama City, Panama --- 13, 000 per game

                      What are your thoughts on what Qualifier attendance will be in the Fall of 2012 ?

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                      • With Israel being in Qualifier 2 and given South Florida's Jewish population, they WILL sell out. If Israel is smart, they will name Ron Blomberg or Art Shamsky as manager. All the retired New Yorkers will DEFINITELY show up.
                        sigpicMan, do I *HATE* the Yankees!!!!!!

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                        • Originally posted by PLowry View Post
                          For those wishing to see more rather than less baseball in the WBC, fortunately the Florida State League's ballparks have a great history of extra-innings marathons. Hopefully we will get a marathon or two in the Fall of 2012. Out of the 598 games so far identified as lasting 20 or more innings, 13 have been played in the FSL. And Roger Dean Stadium in Jupiter just had a 23-inning game last year on May 23.

                          FLORIDA STATE LEAGUE (13)

                          21 innings – Municipal Park, Sanford, Florida - 5/27/1948 – Sanford Giants 8 Palatka Azaleas 7 in 5:15 – finished at 1:15 AM in the early morning of 5/28.

                          29 – Al Lang Field (I), St. Petersburg, Florida – 6/14/1966 – Miami Marlins 4 St. Petersburg Cardinals 3 in 6:59 – 740 fans, 175 fans at end – finished at 2:29 AM in the early morning of 6/15.

                          25 – Municipal Stadium, West Palm Beach, Florida – 8/8/1967 – West Palm Beach Braves 3 Leesburg Athletics 2 in 5:35, 2nd game postponed – finished at 11:35 PM.

                          23 – Fort Lauderdale Stadium, Fort Lauderdale, Florida – 5/24/1981 and 5/25/1981 – Fort Lauderdale Yankees 1 Tampa Tarpons 0 in 5:32, suspended after 5:23 and 22 innings – 717 fans; 200 fans at suspension - suspended at 12:53 AM in the early morning of 5/25.

                          20 – Al Lang Field (II), St. Petersburg and Holman Stadium, Vero Beach, Florida – 4/29/1988 and 5/28/1988 – Vero Beach Dodgers 6 St. Petersburg Cardinals 5 in 5:59, suspended after 5:29 and 18 innings, completed in Vero Beach – suspended at 1:04 AM in the early morning of 4/30.

                          21 – Ed Smith Stadium, Sarasota and Dunedin Stadium at Grant Field (later Knology Park), Dunedin, Florida – 4/24/1989 and 5/17/1989 – Dunedin Blue Jays 8 Sarasota White Sox 3 in 6:29, suspended after 5:48 and 20 innings – 525 fans on 4/24, 45 fans at suspension, 307 fans on 5/17 – suspended at 12:48 AM in the early morning of 4/25.

                          20 – Al Lang Field (II), St. Petersburg, Florida – 6/8/1993 – St. Petersburg Cardinals 4 Lakeland Tigers 3 in 5:11 – 1229 fans – finished at 12:46 AM in the early morning of 6/9.

                          20 – Ed Smith Stadium, Sarasota, Florida – 6/17/1993 – Sarasota White Sox 3 Clearwater Phillies 2 in 4:47 – 932 fans - finished at 12:06 AM in the early morning of 6/18.

                          20 – Al Lang Field (II), St. Petersburg, Florida – 4/14/1994 – St. Petersburg Cardinals 8 Lakeland Tigers 7 in 7:07 – 1021 fans - finished at 2:42 AM in the early morning of 4/15.

                          20 – Hammond Stadium, Fort Myers, Florida – 4/13/2006 – Clearwater Threshers 4 Fort Myers Miracle 3 in 5:02 – 1544 fans; 94 fans at end – finished at 12:07 AM in the early morning of 4/14.

                          20 – Legends Field, Tampa, Florida – 4/17/2007 – Clearwater Threshers 4 Tampa Yankees 1 in 5:14 – 706 fans – ended at 12:14 AM in the early morning of 4/18.

                          20 – Joker Marchant Stadium, Lakeland, Florida – 6/29/2008 – Lakeland Flying Tigers 3 Daytona Cubs 2 in 6:06 – 469 fans – finished at 12:06 AM in the early morning of 6/30.

                          23 – Roger Dean Stadium, Jupiter, Florida – 5/23/2011 – Jupiter Hammerheads 2 Clearwater Threshers 1 in 5:37 – 330 fans; 12 fans at end – finished at 12:12 AM in the early morning of 5/24.
                          If for no other reason but for accuracy's sake, I think it only proper to note that the Al Lang Field complex is officially known as Progress Energy Park.
                          "And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."


                          Put it in the books.

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                          • Originally posted by PLowry View Post
                            The photos of the WBC ballparks were great; thank you !

                            I have always been more optlmistic about attendance being good for the Qualifier Round than most of you. Here is what I am guessing:

                            QUALIFIER ONE at Armin-Wolfe-Arena, Regensburg, Germany --- 9,000 per game

                            QUALIFIER TWO at Roger Dean Stadium, Jupiter, Florida --- 7,000 fans --- a sellout for every game

                            QUALIFIER THREE at XinZuang Stadium, Taipeia, Taiwan --- 11,000 per game

                            QUALIFIER FOUR at Estadio Rod Carew, Panama City, Panama --- 13, 000 per game

                            What are your thoughts on what Qualifier attendance will be in the Fall of 2012 ?
                            My thoughts......Germany will be sold out for Germany games, and decent attendance for the other teams...

                            I think Jupiter will be half full at best...I cannot imagine a sellout.

                            In Taipei it will be overflowing for Taiwan, and there will be 10 people there for the othber games....friends and family only

                            Panama will be packed for Panama games, and will have maybe 5,000 for the others.

                            Nothing I've seen in all my International tournaments I have attended tell me otherwise.... Cuba vs. USA Gold Medal game in Taiwan was a couple hundred people. It was well attended in Nettuno though in 2009. All the Olympic games in Beijing I went to, which was every day, were nearly sold out, but that was the Olympics, and it was a $4 ticket

                            As for meeting up, there is always between games to meet up as well. We will have to see what the schedule will be. I will probably get tickets, maybe two if they are not too expensive to have a nice empty seat near me, but if for some reason they are full i'll have to pull string with my friends that run the French organization

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                            • Originally posted by PLowry View Post
                              The photos of the WBC ballparks were great; thank you !

                              I have always been more optlmistic about attendance being good for the Qualifier Round than most of you. Here is what I am guessing:

                              QUALIFIER ONE at Armin-Wolfe-Arena, Regensburg, Germany --- 9,000 per game

                              QUALIFIER TWO at Roger Dean Stadium, Jupiter, Florida --- 7,000 fans --- a sellout for every game

                              QUALIFIER THREE at XinZuang Stadium, Taipeia, Taiwan --- 11,000 per game

                              QUALIFIER FOUR at Estadio Rod Carew, Panama City, Panama --- 13, 000 per game

                              What are your thoughts on what Qualifier attendance will be in the Fall of 2012 ?
                              My thoughts......Germany will be sold out for Germany games, and decent attendance for the other teams...

                              I think Jupiter will be half full at best...I cannot imagine a sellout.

                              In Taipei it will be overflowing for Taiwan, and there will be 10 people there for the other games....friends and family only

                              Panama will be packed for Panama games, and will have maybe 5,000 for the others. MAYBE

                              Nothing I've seen in all my International tournaments I have attended tell me otherwise.... Cuba vs. USA Gold Medal game in Taiwan was a couple hundred people. It was well attended in Nettuno though in 2009. All the Olympic games in Beijing I went to, which was every day, were nearly sold out, but that was the Olympics, and it was a $4 ticket

                              As for meeting up, there is always between games to meet up as well. We will have to see what the schedule will be. I will probably get tickets, maybe two if they are not too expensive to have a nice empty seat near me, but if for some reason they are full i'll have to pull string with my friends that run the French organization

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                              • Originally posted by SDL View Post
                                With Israel being in Qualifier 2 and given South Florida's Jewish population, they WILL sell out. If Israel is smart, they will name Ron Blomberg or Art Shamsky as manager. All the retired New Yorkers will DEFINITELY show up.
                                Sounds like someone followed the IBL ;-)

                                I agree with the predictions; with both the Spanish and Jewish presence in Florida, it makes sense to expect a stong turnout at every game (minus S.A.- France matchup).
                                In Taiwan, I think you might see a high turnout for home games, but the other teams just aren't strong enough to demand much interest. Philippines have a good sized community in Teipei, however, maybe could turn out for a game.
                                In Panama, during the BWC, we saw rather modest turnout for even the home team. Maybe with MLB-backing it will increase.
                                In Germany, likely the same as Taiwan. Czech might represent well because of location, but given Canadas distance and GB's small baseball in comparison to the other three, only Germany's games will sell out. Canada could get the next biggest crowds because of Germany's interest in good baseball, and they'll be cheering against the Canucks.

                                Will anyone be in Regensburg or Jupiter? I'd be interested in meeting.

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