Announcement

Collapse

Updated Baseball Fever Policy

Baseball Fever Policy

I. Purpose of this announcement:

This announcement describes the policies pertaining to the operation of Baseball Fever.

Baseball Fever is a moderated baseball message board which encourages and facilitates research and information exchange among fans of our national pastime. The intent of the Baseball Fever Policy is to ensure that Baseball Fever remains an extremely high quality, extremely low "noise" environment.

Baseball Fever is administrated by three principal administrators:
webmaster - Baseball Fever Owner
The Commissioner - Baseball Fever Administrator
Macker - Baseball Fever Administrator

And a group of forum specific super moderators. The role of the moderator is to keep Baseball Fever smoothly and to screen posts for compliance with our policy. The moderators are ALL volunteer positions, so please be patient and understanding of any delays you might experience in correspondence.

II. Comments about our policy:

Any suggestions on this policy may be made directly to the webmaster.

III. Acknowledgments:

This document was based on a similar policy used by SABR.

IV. Requirements for participation on Baseball Fever:

Participation on Baseball Fever is available to all baseball fans with a valid email address, as verified by the forum's automated system, which then in turn creates a single validated account. Multiple accounts by a single user are prohibited.

By registering, you agree to adhere to the policies outlined in this document and to conduct yourself accordingly. Abuse of the forum, by repeated failure to abide by these policies, will result in your access being blocked to the forum entirely.

V. Baseball Fever Netiquette:

Participants at Baseball Fever are required to adhere to these principles, which are outlined in this section.
a. All posts to Baseball Fever should be written in clear, concise English, with proper grammar and accurate spelling. The use of abbreviations should be kept to a minimum; when abbreviation is necessary, they should be either well-known (such as etc.), or explained on their first use in your post.

b. Conciseness is a key attribute of a good post.

c. Quote only the portion of a post to which you are responding.

d. Standard capitalization and punctuation make a large difference in the readability of a post. TYPING IN ALL CAPITALS is considered to be "shouting"; it is a good practice to limit use of all capitals to words which you wish to emphasize.

e. It is our policy NOT to transmit any defamatory or illegal materials.

f. Personal attacks of any type against Baseball Fever readers will not be tolerated. In these instances the post will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the personal attack via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue personal attacks will be banned from the site.

g. It is important to remember that many contextual clues available in face-to-face discussion, such as tone of voice and facial expression, are lost in the electronic forum. As a poster, try to be alert for phrasing that might be misinterpreted by your audience to be offensive; as a reader, remember to give the benefit of the doubt and not to take umbrage too easily. There are many instances in which a particular choice of words or phrasing can come across as being a personal attack where none was intended.

h. The netiquette described above (a-g) often uses the term "posts", but applies equally to Private Messages.

VI. Baseball Fever User Signature Policy

A signature is a piece of text that some members may care to have inserted at the end of ALL of their posts, a little like the closing of a letter. You can set and / or change your signature by editing your profile in the UserCP. Since it is visible on ALL your posts, the following policy must be adhered to:

Signature Composition
Font size limit: No larger than size 2 (This policy is a size 2)
Style: Bold and italics are permissible
Character limit: No more than 500 total characters
Lines: No more than 4 lines
Colors: Most colors are permissible, but those which are hard to discern against the gray background (yellow, white, pale gray) should be avoided
Images/Graphics: Allowed, but nothing larger than 20k and Content rules must be followed

Signature Content
No advertising is permitted
Nothing political or religious
Nothing obscene, vulgar, defamatory or derogatory
Links to personal blogs/websites are permissible - with the webmaster's written consent
A Link to your Baseball Fever Blog does not require written consent and is recommended
Quotes must be attributed. Non-baseball quotes are permissible as long as they are not religious or political

Please adhere to these rules when you create your signature. Failure to do so will result in a request to comply by a moderator. If you do not comply within a reasonable amount of time, the signature will be removed and / or edited by an Administrator. Baseball Fever reserves the right to edit and / or remove any or all of your signature line at any time without contacting the account holder.

VII. Appropriate and inappropriate topics for Baseball Fever:

Most concisely, the test for whether a post is appropriate for Baseball Fever is: "Does this message discuss our national pastime in an interesting manner?" This post can be direct or indirect: posing a question, asking for assistance, providing raw data or citations, or discussing and constructively critiquing existing posts. In general, a broad interpretation of "baseball related" is used.

Baseball Fever is not a promotional environment. Advertising of products, web sites, etc., whether for profit or not-for-profit, is not permitted. At the webmaster's discretion, brief one-time announcements for products or services of legitimate baseball interest and usefulness may be allowed. If advertising is posted to the site it will be copied by a moderator and/or administrator, deleted from the site, then sent to the member who made the post via a Private Message (PM) along with a single warning. Members who choose to not listen and continue advertising will be banned from the site. If the advertising is spam-related, pornography-based, or a "visit-my-site" type post / private message, no warning at all will be provided, and the member will be banned immediately without a warning.

It is considered appropriate to post a URL to a page which specifically and directly answers a question posted on the list (for example, it would be permissible to post a link to a page containing home-road splits, even on a site which has advertising or other commercial content; however, it would not be appropriate to post the URL of the main page of the site). The site reserves the right to limit the frequency of such announcements by any individual or group.

In keeping with our test for a proper topic, posting to Baseball Fever should be treated as if you truly do care. This includes posting information that is, to the best of your knowledge, complete and accurate at the time you post. Any errors or ambiguities you catch later should be acknowledged and corrected in the thread, since Baseball Fever is sometimes considered to be a valuable reference for research information.

VIII. Role of the moderator:

When a post is submitted to Baseball Fever, it is forwarded by the server automatically and seen immediately. The moderator may:
a. Leave the thread exactly like it was submitted. This is the case 95% of the time.

b. Immediately delete the thread as inappropriate for Baseball Fever. Examples include advertising, personal attacks, or spam. This is the case 1% of the time.

c. Move the thread. If a member makes a post about the Marlins in the Yankees forum it will be moved to the appropriate forum. This is the case 3% of the time.

d. Edit the message due to an inappropriate item. This is the case 1% of the time. There have been new users who will make a wonderful post, then add to their signature line (where your name / handle appears) a tagline that is a pure advertisement. This tagline will be removed, a note will be left in the message so he/she is aware of the edit, and personal contact will be made to the poster telling them what has been edited and what actions need to be taken to prevent further edits.

The moderators perform no checks on posts to verify factual or logical accuracy. While he/she may point out gross errors in factual data in replies to the thread, the moderator does not act as an "accuracy" editor. Also moderation is not a vehicle for censorship of individuals and/or opinions, and the moderator's decisions should not be taken personally.

IX. Legal aspects of participation in Baseball Fever:

By submitting a post to Baseball Fever, you grant Baseball Fever permission to distribute your message to the forum. Other rights pertaining to the post remain with the ORIGINAL author, and you may not redistribute or retransmit any posts by any others, in whole or in part, without the express consent of the original author.

The messages appearing on Baseball Fever contain the opinions and views of their respective authors and are not necessarily those of Baseball Fever, or of the Baseball Almanac family of sites.

Sincerely,

Sean Holtz, Webmaster of Baseball Almanac & Baseball Fever
www.baseball-almanac.com | www.baseball-fever.com
"Baseball Almanac: Sharing Baseball. Sharing History."
See more
See less

2013 World Baseball Classic

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by quinnystar27 View Post
    You look at china that really started their baseball program not to long ago, but after MLB poured money into them they became a emerging power.
    MLB built a baseball power in China?

    Originally posted by Sweet_Bokke View Post
    For whatever reason the single-elimination game doesn't seem to be all that popular in the USA, but the point of the WBC seems to be spreading international baseball around the globe so I'd rather put that in instead of two rounds of double-elimination
    USAmericans love a knockout tournament. It's baseball that doesn't fit the knockout well. MLB teams now use five starting pitchers in rotation, colleges three, and small boys two. Only the kiddies in some locales routinely rotate multiple pitchers thru the game. Knockout baseball is too much of which pitcher has the best stuff and endurance today.

    Comment


    • Originally posted by Sweet_Bokke View Post
      For whatever reason the single-elimination game doesn't seem to be all that popular in the USA, but the point of the WBC seems to be spreading international baseball around the globe so I'd rather put that in instead of two rounds of double-elimination
      Not so. One of the most popular sports tournment in the USA--the college and university basketball tournament--is single-elimination with a field of 64 teams. People in the States love that format.

      And the professional American football playoff tournament is single-elimination too. And it's the most popular sportig event in the country.

      Comment


      • Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
        ......the eight legit baseball countries that aren't already in the Classic are Germany, Czech Republic, Spain, Philippines, Thailand, Brazil, Colombia, and especially Nicaragua. Those countries compete in international competitions already, they're all in the top 25 of the IBAF World Rankings (with the exception of Thailand, which is 26), and (again with the exception of Thailand) they each have a pretty well-developed club league. I'm sure we can quibble with some of these at the margins, but it's pretty clear. After the top-25, it all falls off pretty dramatically.

        Plus, these countries are pretty widely dispersed. Not too many Euro countries, not too many American. What's not to like?
        And with Colombia and Nicaragua at least they could have teams augmented by MLB players. I think there would be two eligible Nicaraguans from the MLB and maybe a handful (four or five) eligible Colombians. I would expect the Philippines and Thailand to easily be the weakest teams of the tournament if they were picked for 2013 though and unless there is massive improvement between now and 2013 I wouldn't expect to see them pass the the preliminary round.....

        Comment


        • I e-mailed Dr. Schiller on the IBAF site asking which countries may be added by 2013? He responded by not knowing yet which countries will be added, but said that discussions are the following: at least three from Latin America, possibly three from Europe, one from Asia and one from Africa.

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Paul Wendt View Post


            USAmericans love a knockout tournament. It's baseball that doesn't fit the knockout well. MLB teams now use five starting pitchers in rotation, colleges three, and small boys two. Only the kiddies in some locales routinely rotate multiple pitchers thru the game. Knockout baseball is too much of which pitcher has the best stuff and endurance today.
            Sorry I should have made it a bit clearer- I was talking about baseball specifically, which as you mention does have the issue of a 'pitching rotation' which doesn't make it ideal for knockout baseball

            However, I do feel that having knockout baseball after the initial group stage of the WBC is a good idea that adds a further degree of strategy and team management to the mix- which starting pitcher will the manager go with for the first knockout game, then any potential games after that?

            I'm not worried about pitchers missing out on playing past the first knockout if their team gets eliminated- they are big boys after all and will get over it in time

            Sian xx
            Sian xx

            South Africa Baseball-
            Baseball World Cup- 9th (1974), 15th (1998), 14th (2001), 17th (2005), 15th (2007)
            All-Africa Games- CHAMPIONS (1999 & 2003)
            Olympic Baseball- 8th (2000)
            World Baseball Classic- 16th (2006), 16th (2009)

            Comment


            • Originally posted by Richard View Post
              I e-mailed Dr. Schiller on the IBAF site asking which countries may be added by 2013? He responded by not knowing yet which countries will be added, but said that discussions are the following: at least three from Latin America, possibly three from Europe, one from Asia and one from Africa.
              Interesting- While any potential second African team would instantly become my second favourite, it seems difficult to justify their inclusion over a country elsewhere with a more 'developed' baseball program (relatively speaking of course)

              I'm assuming the second African nation would be Nigeria, as they are traditionally the closest to South Africa in terms of competitiveness, although baseball in Ghana seems to be slowly on the rise also

              Sian xx
              Sian xx

              South Africa Baseball-
              Baseball World Cup- 9th (1974), 15th (1998), 14th (2001), 17th (2005), 15th (2007)
              All-Africa Games- CHAMPIONS (1999 & 2003)
              Olympic Baseball- 8th (2000)
              World Baseball Classic- 16th (2006), 16th (2009)

              Comment


              • look like Bobby Valentine want to manage Team USA in 2013

                what you think of that??

                Comment


                • Originally posted by Americanoutlaw2.0 View Post
                  look like Bobby Valentine want to manage Team USA in 2013

                  what you think of that??
                  I do not know if it is a good idea or bad idea but here are some thoughts.

                  I like bobby v because he probably wont care about MLB teams thoughts or worries. Of course he will respect them but i doubt he will be like davey johnson. I also like him because he will do a better job of providing a balance attack for the USA so they do not rely on the HR only. Also after managing in japan he will probably be very familiar with japanese teams and pitchers. And the asian teams are favorites. Also i like his managing style.

                  Cons as far as i know he hasnt managed in international tournaments. Also he he will probably be a bit more hands on then johnson. He might cause worries for MLB teams. Does he want to coach team USA? I see him adding some speed in the line up possibly with BJ upton and a few other speed runners and that is not america's game. Thought he is a good manager i know he is not the best at managing pitchers, not saying he is bad but i do not think he will get the best out of his pitchers. And he will probably use USA pitchers more then johnson did

                  Comment


                  • I don't think anybody deserves to host it more than Korea, except THE TWO TIME DEFENDING CHAMPIONS. The Japanese fans showed a little more gumption by showing up in larger numbers for the non-Japan games than last time, and I think if it was all there attendance WOULD be better. I think the Japanese fans would show up for a USA/Dominican Republic matchup. The Japanese don't like the Koreans or the Chinese (or anybody really) so it is unrealistic to think they would show up for China/Chinese Taipei and the like. The Japanese have several domed stadiums so they could spread it across the country. And Japan can argue that their attendance was better, which it was, for all their games, than those in Puerto Rico, where 9,000 showed up twice, and 11,000 once, or San Diego, which had two crowds of 9,300, and that was only because they handed out about 3,000 FREE TICKETS downtown before the game. The problem would be getting MLB teams to allow their players to disappear to the other side of the world during Spring Training. It was enough of hassle this time.

                    As for Korea, if they get that domed stadium then give them as many rounds as possible. They deserve it to. Their WBC and Olympic record the past three years is 22-4, with all those loses coming to Japan, two competitive loses, one blowout, and one loss in the meaningless seeding game this past year. But it is FREEZING in Seoul. The temperature during the Finals was 39 or something like that. It's too cold without that dome (And thanks for the info. I am hoping to Guangzhao in 2010 for the Asian Games, and now I have Incheon on the list for 2014.)

                    I attended all the games in Mexico City, which had pretty decent attendance (I'll just take a mask to protect against the cigarette smoke next time), and I could see a first round headed back there, or more probably, Monterrey, to mix it up. The problem with moving it around the world, which I would love, is the quality of stadiums (they will demand good quality if they are sending MLB players) and the weather. I think they make focus more on Florida and Arizona next time because everybody is there for Spring Training anyway, and Tampa Bay will have a new ballpark they could use instead of Orlando.

                    Personally, give me a gas mask, and play THE WHOLE THING in Mexico City. 7,300 feet up. 6 games 28 homers. I was in heaven. I went to all the games in San Diego and LA as well, and man what a difference compared to Mexico City. Just ask Cuba, who went homerless after leaving Mexico City.

                    Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
                    I think we can expect to see the following in 2013:

                    The tournament will take place in March again.

                    There will be a play-in round for at least eight new teams and the bottom eight or twelve teams from the 2009 tournament.

                    South Korea will host one of the second round pools.

                    The Dominican Republic will host one of the first or second round pools.

                    Los Angeles, Anaheim, or Phoenix will host one of the quarter-final pools.

                    Miami will host the semi-finals and finals in its new ballpark.

                    Here's why I predict these things. South Korea has a definite claim to host a round. So if the WBC organizers give it to Japan again, Korea will rightfully demand to know why--and the specter of a boycott (such as the D.R. threatened this time around) could arise. What's more, I understand that Incheon plans to build a domed baseball stadium for the 2014 Asia Games. If this is ready to go by early 2013, I don't see how the WBC can say no.

                    The D.R.'s threatened boycott fizzled out this year, but we'll hear more about it as 2013 approaches. The D.R. can rightfully claim that their fans deserve to see them play. If they can get their act together in time, I don't see how the WBC says no--especially if the island is hosting one of the play-in rounds where tickets can be priced lower and the infrastructure doesn't need to be world-class.

                    I think the greater L.A. area has shown that its large ethnic communities and baseball-loving public are a perfect match for the WBC. The Dodger Stadium games were a huge success. (For those who noticed that the games didn't sell out, remember that it's a huge stadium. Dodger playoff games sometimes don't sell out.) Phoenix doesn't share L.A.'s demographics, but it's a baseball mecca in March. And with more promotion, I think the tournament could definitely be a draw for snowbirds.

                    (For what it's worth, I'd like to see the quarterfinals held in a single city. I know that that's a challenge for TV ratings, but it would make the tournament easier to promote and more of a draw for out-of-towners, I think.)

                    MLB has emphatically promised Miami officials that the WBC will be located there in 2013 if the county agrees to build the Marlins a new ballpark. Now that that's happened, I don't see how the WBC reneges on its promise. Too bad because, as I've written here for months, Miami hates going to baseball games.

                    Comment


                    • True But

                      I would love to see Lesotho play Hong Kong, or Lesotho play Thailand (only if I don't have to broadcast that game. I did a Thailand game on the Internet once. What a mess a I made of those names), but to get back to what Plowry was saying; aboslutely Pakistan should be there. The only question is seeding. Do they play a #1 or do you try to match them up a little more evenly, with, what would be in the early years, a clear cut favorite, say a Chinese Taipei in a group with Hong Kong, Thailand and Pakistan, or what. The seeding would be interesting, but before we bash the Pakistan baseball countries of the world because they are far behind who really was excited about UCONN battling Chattanooga in the NCAA's. But we give them their shot. No 16 as beat a 1, but they will eventually. Pakistan is not going to beat anybody anytime soon, but they will eventually, if we work to grow the sport there. If we could find 64 then I am absolutely for it.

                      Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
                      64 teams? Maybe some day. As it now stands, IBAF only ranks 44 countries and territories. And those includes traditional international baseball powerhouses such as Lesotho and Pakistan.

                      Comment


                      • As I understand it, it's not eight new teams. The eight teams that advanced will be seeded (Korea, Japan, Cuba, Mexico, USA, Venezuela, Puerto Rico, Holland).
                        That would mean that maybe Thailand, Pakistan and the Philippines would play Taiwan and China and two would qualify, though it is possible that Taiwan would be invited and only one position would be open; in the same vein, maybe the Dominican Republic would be invited outright but Panama would have to play Colombia, Nicaragua and/or Brazil, maybe more.
                        Italy would have to fight off Spain, England, Germany, Russia, Czech Republic, France or maybe even Sweden or more. And South Africa would play a couple of African nations to reclaim a place.

                        Comment


                        • i think korea deserves to host. And japan deserves to host the final rounds but when i was in round one in tokyo i went to four games and the korea chinese tapei game was not that full in fact other then the cheering section i saw at least 10 seats or more per row empty. When i saw japan play it was full. Remember the population in japan is over 90% japanese so not many foreigners. Lets say that japan host the final rounds but they do not make it how many will turn up for venezuela vs. the DR? Or USA vs. Mexico? I never been to korea so i do not know how baseball crazy they are. But it would be nice to have the final rounds outside the USA. But will MLB like that? I think the MLB needs to change it's schedule to support the classic.

                          Comment


                          • Originally posted by Richard View Post
                            I e-mailed Dr. Schiller on the IBAF site asking which countries may be added by 2013? He responded by not knowing yet which countries will be added, but said that discussions are the following: at least three from Latin America, possibly three from Europe, one from Asia and one from Africa.
                            Very interesting. It doesn't tell us much, but it gives me enough to kill a few minutes by idly speculating:

                            Latin America: Colombia, Nicaragua, Brazil;
                            Europe: Germany, Spain, Czech Republic;
                            Asia: Philippines;
                            Africa: Nigeria.

                            I don't really see the point in inviting a second African country this time around. South Africa is light-years ahead of Ghana and Nigeria in baseball development. As I understand it, Ghana doesn't even have a single dedicated baseball field. And Nigeria and Ghana aren't exactly lighting up with world of international baseball: They're ranked 29 and 31 in the latest IBAF rankings and, as far as I know, they've never competed in a Baseball World Cup or other worldwide baseball tournament.

                            Having said all that, I know that a lot of the powers-that-be have really promoted the idea of developing baseball in West Africa and eventually across the continent. And there probably isn't a better way of doing that than giving one of them a shot on the biggest international stage.

                            The big losers here, of course, would be the European countries with well-developed baseball programs and a long-standing international presence--like Great Britain and Sweden. Unfortunately for them, the number of European teams probably won't exceed five under any scenario: It's not in the interest of the WBC to have so many of its participants come from just one continent. I suppose Europe is already used to this with the soccer world cup and the Olympics.

                            Comment


                            • If Germany and the Czech Republic are selected in 2013, as an American, please do not allow any German-Americans or Czech-Americans to participate on the aforementioned teams. OK. Maybe two or three on each team, but that is enough.

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by Richard View Post
                                If Germany and the Czech Republic are selected in 2013, as an American, please do not allow any German-Americans or Czech-Americans to participate on the aforementioned teams. OK. Maybe two or three on each team, but that is enough.
                                I think similar limits should be in place for all countries. The Italians did just as well or better than the Italian-Americans; why let the latter play? One hyphenated player on a team (ex. Ray Chang on China or Leon Boyd on the Netherlands) doesn't bug me, but when they're the majority of the team, that's wrong.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X