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  • chendd
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    Originally posted by PLowry View Post
    If this is true about the one ticket for two games, why aren't the two Cuba games attendance figures exactly the same for both the afternoon game and the evening game ?
    Some people bought tickets after the afternoon game.
    You cannot count these plus numbers after the afternoon game over.

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  • PLowry
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    If this is true about the one ticket for two games, why aren't the two Cuba games attendance figures exactly the same for both the afternoon game and the evening game ?

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  • chendd
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    Originally posted by PLowry View Post
    Chendd,

    Is what you are saying that you could not buy just one ticket to see a Japan game, but you had to buy a two-game ticket for both a Japan game and a Cuba game ? And therefore the Cuba game might have just had perhaps 12,000 fans in the seats rather than the 39,102 tickets sold ?

    But if that is the case, why wouldn't the Japan and Cuba games had the same 40,000-plus attendance figure ?
    1. They only sale two-game tickets in first and second round. I bought tickets to watch second-round games in Tokyo Dome in 2017. The answers are both "yes".
    2. Some local workers didn't buy tickets in advance. They buy tickets on site after work. The numbers count on the time game set.
    Last edited by chendd; 10-07-2019, 05:53 PM.

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  • PLowry
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    Concerning the debate between round robin and modified double elimination:

    There are serious handicaps to modified double elimination. First, fans and media do not know when the teams will play. Second, the 2-2 team or the 3-1 team play four games, while the 0-2 team plays only two games. And the 0-2 team is the one that needs more international experience. Third, some teams play each other twice and other teams never play each other. It is so complicated that it makes your head swirl. We should just use round robin and everything is simple.

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  • PLowry
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    It occurs to me that our guessing games on this site about where and who the WBC teams will be playing against are of three types:

    1. Who and where the WBC teams SHOULD be playing against and where, along with the reasons why ?

    2. Who and where the WBC teams PROBABLY will be playing against and where, along with the reasons why ?

    3. Who and where the WBC teams we HOPE will be playing against and where ?

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  • PLowry
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    Chendd,

    Is what you are saying that you could not buy just one ticket to see a Japan game, but you had to buy a two-game ticket for both a Japan game and a Cuba game ? And therefore the Cuba game might have just had perhaps 12,000 fans in the seats rather than the 39,102 tickets sold ?

    But if that is the case, why wouldn't the Japan and Cuba games had the same 40,000-plus attendance figure ?

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  • chendd
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    Originally posted by PLowry View Post

    Unit312J, you said that there would be close to nobody in the stands for non-Japan games at the Tokyo Dome. In 2017, that was not true.

    Cuba vs. China 39,102, Cuba vs. Australia 38,050
    The empty seats show something.
    In fact, they used one ticket - two games plan.
    People wanted to see night-game Samurai Japan.
    The numbers counted on tickets sales.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFnh9pBRezI

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  • PLowry
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    Originally posted by cutchemist42 View Post
    I have a feeling Sportsnet in Canada who owns the Jays will broadcast the German quali. They have done the WBC and have also broadcast the junior World Championships in Thunder Bay. Sportsnet also reports on Baseball Canada a lot and has provided this thread with good articles for info.
    We frequently cite which countries will host the WBC and which countries will win and lose WBC games. Our predictions fall into three categories:

    I. What will probably happen.

    II. What we hope will happen.

    III. What will happen according to some set of rules, such as geographic, WBSC rankings, political power in the WBSC.

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  • PLowry
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    Originally posted by NattyBaller View Post

    Sorry to restate points, the thread has just gotten so long I feel like I'm sifting through a novel trying to figure out who already said what. With regards to Rally Monkey, I can see your desire to use the qualification rounds to "flesh out" the international baseball calendar and distribute games of "significance" to the WBC in non-WBC years. I am skeptical at this point of regional qualifiers in non-WBC years for a couple reasons -- one is that, given the tournament's ongoing struggle to appeal to American (US) baseball fans, I think that these qualifiers would do nothing to advance that project due to their non-inclusion of the US and the likely lack of media coverage for the events so far away temporally from the WBC proper (and in other ways prob. hard to distinguish from IBAF tournaments) -- in some ways, putting the qualifiers in Feb 2013 before the WBC would likely give the event more US media coverage by adding to the domestic debate about whether it is appropriate for thoise hallowed and sancrosant MLB players (which I occasionally confuse with porcelein dolls) to take a few more weeks out of their winter to participate. I also find questionable the concept of these becoming proper regional qualifications as suggested by RM -- they seem more like closed qualifications, in that the teams that that "qualify" for the qualifiers are not, to my knowledge, expected to do so through an open tournament so much as they will be chosen based on the expectation that they can field a competent team. An alternative is to work through the IBAF and their pre-existing system of qualifications for the BWC, but I think having an opening round of sixteen with the eight teams that didn't make the second round last time playing eight new teams chosen based on the expectation of competence (likely measured through team results at recent IBAF tournaments anyway) is a simple and for the time being appropriate route to take. The level of play will just jump dramatically after that round either way whatever new exotic teams manage to scrape through. With regard to the Dominican Republic, IMO they have to play in the qualifying round regardless of their obvious potential, as they did not qualify for the second round in the last WBC. This could lead to a tragic series of events in which they again underperform by not making the first round due to lack of MLB talent, but I would like to think the country's talent is deeper than that if they would ever decide to play them internationally.
    Natty Baller and others who commented on the Qualifier Round. There is always the hope that a poorly ranked Qualifier Round team will "catch lightning in a bottle" and do very well. For example, Israel was ranked # 48 in 2012. They proceeded to win 2 games in the 2012 Qualifier Round, to win 3 games (undefeated) in the 2016 Qualifier Round, to win 3 games (undefeated) in the 2017 First Round, and to win one game in the 2017 Second Round, for an overall WBC record of 9 Wins and 4 Losses.

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  • PLowry
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    Originally posted by Unit312J View Post
    There will be close to nobody in the stands for non-Japan games island slugger. They've proven that time after time. For the Japan games there will be a ton, but if you have Venezuela playing Mexico or something there won't be anybody there.
    Unit312J, you said that there would be close to nobody in the stands for non-Japan games at the Tokyo Dome. In 2017, that was not true.

    Cuba vs. China 39,102, Cuba vs. Australia 38,050

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  • PLowry
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    Originally posted by Pere View Post

    San Marino is certainly a country. I'm not aware that they play any baseball there.
    San Marino is a baseball-playing country. It has a team in the Italian League, and usually does well in the standings.

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  • PLowry
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    Originally posted by Mischa View Post

    I think similar limits should be in place for all countries. The Italians did just as well or better than the Italian-Americans; why let the latter play? One hyphenated player on a team (ex. Ray Chang on China or Leon Boyd on the Netherlands) doesn't bug me, but when they're the majority of the team, that's wrong.
    I like the liberal way that MLB allows "passport players" to play for Italy and Israel. It is not like they are helping any of the top ranking teams in the tournament.There are other possibilities too; for example, Ireland is ranked number 42, but with a bunch of Irish-American Minor League players they could perhaps play at the level of a ranked number 28 or so. Plus there are 33 Million Irish-Americans, or 10 % of the entire USA population, which potentially could be attracted to see some Ireland WBC games in the US,

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  • Francoeurstein
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    See if this works, Southwest.

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  • PLowry
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    I have just completed re-reading all 3832 posts in the 154 pages on this 2013 WBC thread.

    Thanks to everyone for sharing their points of view on the WBC.

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