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  • I don´t know if Venezuela or any other country is on his own program but I know that the federations do not have much influence on organization before and during the tournament.
    MLB/WBCI is in charge of the travelling of players - ordering tickets, payment, etc
    also they are in charge for accommodation during the tournament and they/sponsors provide the teams with all uniforms, appearel, equipment, etc
    everything relied with the tournament is guided by MLB/WBCI

    What I think happened was, that the venezuealian problems came outside the tournament and during the prep week. And these are the things you have to adjust in international BB - although I am surprised a team like Venezuela having this (money) problems. Especially lower level BB countries have to solve financial problems such as it is not possible to have first class flights and other Big League treatment but they are trying hard to do their best with what they have.

    But I can tell you that there is a lot of improvement needed on both sites. Ok the WBCQ where lower ranked then WBC itself but some things made me wonder so there can be another story behind that venezuelian problem.
    The only thing you know is you never know and that you know for sure!

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      Last edited by Paula59; 05-17-2013, 03:11 AM.
      The only thing you know is you never know and that you know for sure!

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      • Originally posted by Paula59 View Post
        I don´t know if Venezuela or any other country is on his own program but I know that the federations do not have much influence on organization before and during the tournament.
        MLB/WBCI is in charge of the travelling of players - ordering tickets, payment, etc
        also they are in charge for accommodation during the tournament and they/sponsors provide the teams with all uniforms, appearel, equipment, etc
        everything relied with the tournament is guided by MLB/WBCI

        What I think happened was, that the venezuealian problems came outside the tournament and during the prep week. And these are the things you have to adjust in international BB - although I am surprised a team like Venezuela having this (money) problems. Especially lower level BB countries have to solve financial problems such as it is not possible to have first class flights and other Big League treatment but they are trying hard to do their best with what they have.

        But I can tell you that there is a lot of improvement needed on both sites. Ok the WBCQ where lower ranked then WBC itself but some things made me wonder so there can be another story behind that venezuelian problem.
        Without getting too political it would seem from the outside that Venezuela shouldn't have these problems but it does. I live here and the country almost went out of toilet paper this week. I went to five supermarkets large ones and they were all out, yesterday the government announced that it will buy 50 million rolls starting next week from some country which they wouldnt name.

        Sports here as received quite a lot of support in recent years. Yet it is mismanaged. There have been a lot of problems with simple things, such as getting Judo mats for national tournaments or having proper training facilities. In fact quite a lot of Venezuela's elite athletes take government packages to train abroad in places like Boston US, Bulgaria, Cuba, Miami US etc.

        Now getting back to baseball. I am certain in the case of Venezuela that the WBC doesn't handle travel and logistics or if it does the Federation has it's own plans. I went to all 2009 world baseball classic games with Venezuela, a friend of mine was a backup on that team and I knew the assistant coach. MLB played a larger role in 2009 handling Venezuela's travel then in 2006. But I did hear complaints from the guys in 2006 about there travel and how Sojo took them to burger king last minute because they didnt have a restaurant or meals ready.

        I seriously doubt MLB would have set them up at burger king.

        2013:
        http://www.vtv.gob.ve/articulos/2013...sbol-3373.html

        Sorry it is in spanish. This is article from a government website with the head of ministry of sports Hector Rodriguez stating the government is the official sponsor of the Venezuelan National WBC team.

        It goes on to say it will support the team in arranging logistics, economically and to run baseball clinics for the players and also for Venezuelan youth. I can tell you only a few players showed up for these clinics I can only remember miguel cabrera and elvis andrus.

        http://www.avn.info.ve/contenido/min...l-b%C3%A9isbol

        This article talks about giving 3 million BSF to the national team. Now it can be exchanged at the then legal rate of 4.3 or the then illegal rate of 12-16 per dollar. Today the illegal rate is much higher.


        I cant speak for all national federations. And I am sure Venezuela took some money or help from WBC/MLB.

        I think the national federations need to more. Not just Venezuela but they need to start youth program and need to start treating the baseball structure at all youth levels like football. Players should be scouted and built up by the national system that way it creates a stronger national side and prepares players for elite level baseball. I am a scout in Venezuela and when the federations tries to build a youth national side, they really just pick the best players of the coaches who are friendly with them. It is funny how in the 90s the Venezuelan youth teams didn't include some of the best Venezuelan players before their MLB like Santana and Ordonez because as stated by one coach here we only pick the players we know because we dont have a system to find or communicate with the best youth players.

        Luis Sojo in 2009 was named the leader of the Venezuelan National Senior Team. Yet in the IBAF, Pan American, Caribbean and ALBA games after 2009 he didnt lead the team. He is only leader of the Senior WBC team. For each tournament they have to find a new coach and it is embarrassing watching Venezuela lose to Nicaragua or Ecuador in baseball.

        All federations have responsibility they can't just rely on WBC/MLB to improve and grow baseball. The top team sports in the world all have strong national sides and federations who help grow the game.

        To be fair, in Venezuela there is a major marketing push to make sure Venezuela receives as little help from US organizations as possible and to make sure the victory is revolutionary/socialist one.

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        • I do remember that about a year and a half ago MLB posted job openings for Senior Coordinator of Event Operations for the WBC.

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          • I don´t want to get to much into details but from what I know MLB/WBCI was/is in charge for everything relied to the teams like travelling, accommodation, equipment, etc. and there (WBCQ) was - let´s say it like this - a lot room for improvement...
            Yes I saw this job openings too - and they were looking for team coordinators etc too. So for every part mentioned above MLB/WBCI had their own guy in charge and not the federations...
            The only thing you know is you never know and that you know for sure!

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              The only thing you know is you never know and that you know for sure!

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              • What can the WBCI do to increase the participation of MLB All Star Pitchers?

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                • Originally posted by NewEnglandAmazins View Post
                  What can the WBCI do to increase the participation of MLB All Star Pitchers?
                  I believe that as time goes by and the WBC grows in popularity and patriotic passion a la soccer's WORLD CUP,and top pitchers realize that the chances of getting hurt are about the same as spring training,then maybe they will be more willing to participate. Also making some minor changes around the schedule wouldn't hurt,like maybe starting the main tournament ten days later so this way the players can be in spring training camp a little bit longer before they move to the wbc camp.

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                  • According to CSNPhilly: http://www.csnphilly.com/video_conte...ers-struggling

                    Should have rested instead
                    - 46 Pitchers participated in the World Baseball Classic

                    -36 have worse ERA than last season or have already hit the DL

                    -2012 ERA of WBC pitchers: 3.26; 2013 ERA: 4.43
                    I decided to get a list of the 2012's Top 40 in Quality Starts and omit pitchers that played in the most recent WBC. Which are: R.A. Dickey, Yovani Gallardo, Ryan Vogelsong, Anibal Sanchez, Gio Gonzalez & Wandy Rodriguez. Then compare the ERA's between 2012 & 2013. There has been a 0.15 increase in cumulative ERA for the remaining 34 pitchers. Fifteen of the thirty-four have a worse ERA than last year's. Those pitchers are: David Price, Justin Verlander, Kyle Lohse, Cole Hamels, Johnny Cueto, Josh Johnson, Jonathan Niese, Matt Cain, Jered Weaver, Ian Kennedy, Matt Harrison, Jarrod Parker, CC Sabathia, Joe Saunders & Ryan Dempster. The omitted pitchers had a 0.87 cumulative increase in their ERA, Anibal Sanchez is the only pitcher with an improved ERA. Ryan Vogelsong is the only injured WBC pitcher from the list as opposed to the four non-WBC pitchers from the list: Cueto, Weaver, Grienke & Harrison.

                    Pitcher, 2012 IP ER ERA, 2013 IP ER ERA
                    David Price 211 60 2.56 55 32 5.24
                    Clayton Kershaw 227.66 64 2.53 73.33 11 1.35
                    Justin Verlander 238.33 70 2.64 59 24 3.66
                    Kyle Lohse 211 67 2.86 55 23 3.76
                    Jordan Zimmermann 195.66 64 2.94 73.66 14 1.71
                    Cole Hamels 215.33 73 3.05 62.66 31 4.45
                    Jake Peavy 219 82 3.37 60.66 20 2.97
                    Johnny Cueto 217 67 2.78 22.33 8 3.22
                    Jason Vargas 217.33 93 3.85 65.66 25 3.43
                    Josh Johnson 191.33 81 3.81 19.66 15 6.87
                    Jonathon Niese 190.33 72 3.40 54.33 29 4.80
                    Cliff Lee 211 74 3.16 72.66 20 2.48
                    Felix Hernandez 232 79 3.06 75.33 21 2.51
                    Matt Cain 219.33 68 2.79 63.33 36 5.12
                    C.J. Wilson 202.33 86 3.83 63.66 24 3.39
                    Jered Weaver 188.66 59 2.81 11 6 4.91
                    Homer Bailey 208 85 3.68 64.33 22 3.08
                    A.J. Burnett 202.33 79 3.51 70 20 2.57
                    Zack Greinke 212.33 82 3.48 20.66 8 3.48
                    James Shields 227.66 89 3.52 73 20 2.47
                    Ian Kennedy 208.33 93 4.02 61.33 32 4.70
                    Hiroki Kuroda 219.66 81 3.32 60.66 18 2.67
                    Matt Harrison 213.33 78 3.29 10.66 10 8.44
                    Max Scherzer 187.66 78 3.74 62.33 25 3.61
                    Stephen Strasburg 159.33 56 3.16 64.33 19 2.66
                    Jarrod Parker 181.33 70 3.47 54.66 35 5.76
                    Bronson Arroyo 202 84 3.74 66.33 25 3.39
                    CC Sabathia 200 75 3.38 65.66 25 3.43
                    Joe Saunders 174.66 79 4.07 57.66 39 6.09
                    Paul Maholm 189 77 3.67 61.33 23 3.38
                    Madison Bumgarner 208.33 78 3.37 65.33 21 2.89
                    Chris Sale 192 65 3.05 64 18 2.53
                    Ryan Dempster 173 65 3.38 55.66 29 4.69
                    Adam Wainwright 198.66 87 3.94 72 19 2.38
                    Total 6944.9 2560 3.32 1937.2 747 3.47

                    Pitcher, 2012 IP ER ERA, 2013 IP ER ERA
                    R.A. Dickey 233.66 71 2.73 68.66 37 4.85
                    Yovani Gallardo 204 83 3.66 58 29 4.50
                    Ryan Vogelsong 189.66 71 3.37 46.33 37 7.19
                    Anibal Sanchez 195.66 84 3.86 64.33 17 2.38
                    Gio Gonzalez 199.33 64 2.89 59 24 3.66
                    Wandy Rodriguez 205.66 86 3.76 50.33 19 3.40
                    Total 1227.97 459 3.36 346.65 163 4.23

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                    • MLB might use the IBAF's first "Premier 12" tournament to be held in Tokyo during the fall of 2015 as one of its qualifying tournaments for the WBC 17. Also, there is a rumor going around that Miami will host one or two games of this summer's Cuban National Team Tour throughout USA (July 18-July 23) against the US Collegiate National Team. These games between the two countries were resumed (last held in 1996) last yeat when USA traveled to Havana for a five game series, where Cuba won 3-2. It was announced then that Cuba will travel to the US this year to play in "five major league stadiums" to be announced later. The rumor goes that the reason USA Baseball has not announced the "cities" where the games are going to be taking place at is to avoid early "political distractions" as MLB wished to test the community's reception of the Cuban National Team with the WBC 17 on sight. I can assure you all that if indeed this takes place, we might see some demostrations from the historical part of the Cuban exile (mostly elderly citizens in their 70's or 80's), but younger generations and recent Cuban inmigrants will fill the Miami Marlins Park in a heartbeat. Regards!

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                      • Originally posted by dviera78 View Post
                        MLB might use the IBAF's first "Premier 12" tournament to be held in Tokyo during the fall of 2015 as one of its qualifying tournaments for the WBC 17. Also, there is a rumor going around that Miami will host one or two games of this summer's Cuban National Team Tour throughout USA (July 18-July 23) against the US Collegiate National Team. These games between the two countries were resumed (last held in 1996) last yeat when USA traveled to Havana for a five game series, where Cuba won 3-2. It was announced then that Cuba will travel to the US this year to play in "five major league stadiums" to be announced later. The rumor goes that the reason USA Baseball has not announced the "cities" where the games are going to be taking place at is to avoid early "political distractions" as MLB wished to test the community's reception of the Cuban National Team with the WBC 17 on sight. I can assure you all that if indeed this takes place, we might see some demostrations from the historical part of the Cuban exile (mostly elderly citizens in their 70's or 80's), but younger generations and recent Cuban inmigrants will fill the Miami Marlins Park in a heartbeat. Regards!
                        Maybe this is why MLB was saying even during the WBC 13 that qualifying for next tourney was not decided yet.

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                          • Originally posted by NewEnglandAmazins View Post
                            Why can't the US do this? Sigh...

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                            • Originally posted by MasterO View Post
                              Why can't the US do this? Sigh...
                              They do for the lower level competitions. It doesn't make any sense when the only country that plays year-round international play is Cuba.
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                              • Originally posted by Nutt View Post
                                They do for the lower level competitions. It doesn't make any sense when the only country that plays year-round international play is Cuba.
                                It really doesnt make sense unless your cuba.

                                Venezuelan named Sojo in 2009 the official head coach of the venezuelan national team. But in the BWC'11 and pan american games where venezuela fielded a national teams Sojo was not in charge. The official federation position was that Sojo had to coach in the minor leagues.

                                Really for Major Leaguers there is only one world baseball tournament in the world and that is the World Baseball Classic. And considering that most team USA skippers would rather be head coaches for a MLB team it doesnt make sense to make a officially coach.

                                Until international friendlies become a norm or WBC qualifiers become a norm for all teams I doubt we will see much of a change.
                                Last edited by quinnystar27; 07-28-2013, 04:32 PM.

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