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  • 2017 World Baseball Classic

    I understand that the 2013 WBC hasn't started yet, but there are some of us that cannot wait to start discussing the 2017 WBC and its 2016 Qualifiers. Let's try keeping the 2013 WBC thread clear of any 2017 WBC talk, and discuss them on this thread instead. Obviously, at this moment this thread will be speculative, and over time it will evolve into something like the 2013 WBC thread.

  • #2
    Here are my preliminary picks for relegation, 2016 Qualifier Groups and hosts:

    2013 Relegated teams: China, Australia, Spain & Italy

    Asia Group: China, Israel, Philippines, Thailand
    Host: Guangdong Sports Center- Guongzhou, China



    Latin American Group: Panama, Colombia, Nicaragua, Spain
    Host: Estadio Rod Carew- Panama City, Panama



    European Group: Italy, Germany, Great Britain, France
    Host: Stadio Steno Borghese- Nettuno, Italy



    Wildcard Group: Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Czech Republic
    Host: Blue Sox Stadium- Sydney, Australia


    Here is the reasoning behind my Grouping:

    Asia Latin America Europe Africa/Europe/Oceania
    2013 Relegated Teams China Spain Italy Australia
    2012 WBCQ 2nd Place Israel Panama Germany New Zealand
    012 WBCQ 3rd Place Philippines Colombia Great Britain South Africa
    012 WBCQ 4th Place Thailand Nicaragua France Czech Republic
    Last edited by SouthwestAmAZins; 01-29-2013, 04:34 PM. Reason: Replacing wildcard w/ AEO

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    • #3
      Occurred to me that the WBC could opt to go with 5-team first round pools in '17 and have no relegation this time. That way the they could guarantee that Australia, China, Italy and Brazil--all major development countries--can get automatic berths. And that way, they can expand the qualifiers by four teams (like Sweden, Russia, Argentina, and Pakistan or Indonesia.)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
        Occurred to me that the WBC could opt to go with 5-team first round pools in '17 and have no relegation this time. That way the they could guarantee that Australia, China, Italy and Brazil--all major development countries--can get automatic berths. And that way, they can expand the qualifiers by four teams (like Sweden, Russia, Argentina, and Pakistan or Indonesia.)
        It would be great if that happened, but you know that the WBCI's M.O. is to make gradual changes between tournaments. It can happen, if the 2013 WBC far exceeds their projections and hopefully it will.

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        • #5
          That's probably right.

          Oh, and I think your relegation prediction is probably right too. I'd put Great Britain instead of Czech into the Sydney pool. (They're all longtime archrivals in rugby and cricket with the shared imperial history. Plus, Germany and Czech Republic have something of a baseball rivalry.)

          Also, I know nothing about Guangdong's ability to host a baseball tournament. I'd almost prefer to see the Philippines get its act together, get some resources, and bring its Rizal Memorial Stadium in Manila into the 21st century.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
            That's probably right.

            Oh, and I think your relegation prediction is probably right too. I'd put Great Britain instead of Czech into the Sydney pool. (They're all longtime archrivals in rugby and cricket with the shared imperial history. Plus, Germany and Czech Republic have something of a baseball rivalry.)

            Also, I know nothing about Guangdong's ability to host a baseball tournament. I'd almost prefer to see the Philippines get its act together, get some resources, and bring its Rizal Memorial Stadium in Manila into the 21st century.
            The Guongdong Complex was used to host the Asia Games baseball tournament in 2010. I am not sure if it's still standing, some the surrounding structures have been removed. Here is the latest Google maps image:

            Guangdong Complex.png

            btw, A former British Empire group would be interesting.

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            • #7
              I'm sure the Chinese authorities could build whatever they need to build in whatever time they need to build it in order to host a tournament. So it could be anywhere in the country. I'm just not sure the games would attract much attention. It would really put MLB's China experiment to the test.
              Last edited by Rally Monkey; 01-27-2013, 05:56 PM.

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              • #8
                You're right and MLB can't just pick any stadium to host a WBCQ. Putting the China experiment to the test may be a good thing, because MLB would then have to increase their promotional effort there.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NewEnglandAmazins View Post
                  You're right and MLB can't just pick any stadium to host a WBCQ. Putting the China experiment to the test may be a good thing, because MLB would then have to increase their promotional effort there.
                  Or give up.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Rally Monkey View Post
                    Or give up.
                    I don't expect that to happen for at least another ten years.

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                    • #11
                      I'm thinking of a 5 team double elimination,
                      http://khsaa.org/forms/br205s.pdf
                      that'll include 4 more teams in the qualifier, and it will give an advantage to the relegated teams.
                      Relegated team: China, Italy, Spain, Australia

                      Asian Round:
                      1. China
                      2. Israel
                      3. Philippines
                      4. Pakistan
                      5. Bahamas(remember they had a deal with WBC inc)

                      Wild Card Round
                      1. Australia
                      2. New Zealand
                      3. South Africa
                      4. Czech Republic
                      5. Sweden

                      Latin America
                      1. Spain (poor espanas)
                      2. Panama
                      3. Colombia
                      4. Nicaragua
                      5. Argentina

                      Europe
                      1. Italy
                      2. Germany
                      3. Great Britain
                      4. France
                      5. Russia(MLB's ambition to spread the market)

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                      • #12
                        I really like this format I. Slugger, but I don't think the Bahamas will be getting the nod; especially in the Asia region. What do you think of Sri Lanka? They just opened a baseball facility in December and it was funded by the Japanese government. The Japanese and Sri Lankan governments apparently have a good relationship, if the Japanese decide to send coaches to help reinforce a Sri Lanka baseball program it could help them surpass Pakistan, Indonesia and Thailand in terms of quality. There may be some raw baseball talent in Sri Lanka, they are a Cricket power, currently ranked 1 by ICC for T20.

                        Source: http://www.ibaf.org/en/news/2012/12/...e-95d3032b854a
                        Last edited by SouthwestAmAZins; 01-27-2013, 09:22 PM.

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                        • #13
                          I've never seen a 5-team double elimination bracket before. I like it a lot—especially the fact that it only plays 8 games instead of the 10 games a 5-team round robin calls for.

                          A few thoughts: I don't think the Bahamas ever had a "deal" with WBC. As I recall, there were some reports that Bahamian baseball officials were told they'd get a spot in the next WBC qualifiers, but who knows what was really said. At most, I'd expect that the Bahamas is on WBC's radar for possible expansion. But at the expense of another, larger market? I dunno.

                          And if the Bahamas were included, it would be bizarre to put it in an Asia qualifier. It belongs in the Americas or Europe pools.

                          Also, I'm not sure what this "wild card" business is. It’s the place we dump teams that don't fit into any other geographic pools? How about we call it the "Africa-Europe-Oceania" pool instead, and put Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Israel, and another African country in it. Like Uganda.

                          Russia can be slotted into Asia if it needs to be. Or it can be left off, with Indonesia getting the nod instead.

                          Here's what I mean:

                          Asia
                          1. China
                          2. Philippines
                          3. Thailand
                          4. Pakistan
                          5. Russia/Indonesia/Sri Lanka

                          A-E-O
                          1. Australia
                          2. Israel
                          3. New Zealand
                          4. South Africa
                          5. Uganda

                          Americas
                          1. Spain
                          2. Panama
                          3. Colombia
                          4. Nicaragua
                          5. Bahamas/Argentina

                          Europe
                          1. Italy
                          2. Germany
                          3. Czech Republic
                          4. France
                          5. Sweden

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                          • #14
                            Rally, where is Great Britain? Also, Uganda may be too young to be ready for 2017, anyway it would be interesting to see them represented.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NewEnglandAmazins View Post
                              Rally, where is Great Britain? Also, Uganda may be too young to be ready for 2017, anyway it would be interesting to see them represented.
                              Ah, I knew I was forgetting one. Swap Uganda out for Great Britain. But I do think MLB will put another African team in the qualifiers before too long. It'd be good for the gospel of the game--and an easy way to piggyback on all of the attention the Ugandan Little League program's been getting.

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