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  • Southwest AmAZins,

    In your post # 31 dated March 27, 2017, you make several suggestions for the next Qualifier.

    First, announce years in advance the dates and cities for each of the four rounds, citing the fact that FIFA does so for the World Cup of football. I agree. The WBSC and MLB announced the dates and cities for the 2016-17 WBC only 7 months in advance. As for the dates and cities for the 2020-21 WBC, here we are in September 2019, only six months before the March 2020 Qualifiers and all we get from the WBSC and MLB is silence.

    Second, a region should host the entire event. I disagree with this recommendation. The only region that would have enough adequate ballparks would be Latin America. Plus, part of the allure of the WBC is that it is played all over the world.

    Third, expand the number of participating nations. On this point, I strongly agree, In my recent posts, I outline which nations might participate if we enlarged the tournament from 28 to 32 nations. Simply add one nation to each of the four Qualifier Round pools. And also which nations might participate if we enlarged the tournament from 28 to 40 nations. Simply add a second Qualifer Round of 16 nations. The relegated nations would play with 12 new nations in the First Qualifier Round. Then the four winners of the First Qualifier Round would play with the 12 un-relegated nations in the Second Qualifier Round.

    Last, settle on a tie-breaker system. I agree. There has been a different tie-breaker system for each of the previous Classics. In the 2017 First Round in Zapopan, Mexico, after the sixth game, it took two full hours of arguments to explain to the Mexican team that Venezuela and Italy, not Mexico, would be playing in the Tie-Breaker game the next day for the right to go onto the Second Round.

    Phil Lowry

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    • Southwest AmAZins,

      In your post # 36 dated April 7, 2017, you list nine nations that you state are not able to host a WBCQ Qualifier pool because of inadequate ballparks.

      I agree on eight of the nine countries. But I disagree on the ninth nation, New Zealand.

      Auckland, New Zealand has a 15,000-seat ballpark, North Harbour Stadium, which hosts the Auckland Tuatara franchise of the Australian Baseball League.

      North Harbour Stadium can serve as a host for a 2020 Qualifier Round.

      Phil Lowry

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      • Jak,

        In post #47 dated September 22, 2017, you discussed possibilities for additional nations to be added to the WBC Qualifier.

        The following nations in your list are already in the WBC: # 19 Israel.

        I support adding these nations in your list to an expanded WBC: # 21 Argentina, #28 Hong Kong, #29 Russia, #30 Belgium, # 42 Ireland.

        I do not support adding these nations in your list to an expanded 40-nation WBC, mainly because of their WBSC rankings: #47 Greece, #54 Honduras, #67 Guam, #73 Bahamas, #74 Haiti, unranked Nigeria.

        Phil Lowry

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        • Beisbol#41, in Post #41 dated September 22, 2017, you (and several others in different posts) discussed making three separate National Teams: Curacao, Aruba, Netherlands.

          I think that would be a bad idea. As it stands now, the players on the Netherlands National Team have a fair chance of becoming World Champions. Netherlands advanced to the Semi Final Round in both the 2013 WBC and the 2017 WBC.

          Should the Dutch roster be divided into three teams, the Netherlands team would be much weaker, the Curacao team might be as strong or stronger than the Dutch team, and the Aruba team would be weak.

          None of the players from these three teams though would have a fair chance of becoming World Champions. I suggest that Netherlands, Curacao, and Aruba be allowed to continue to play together as the Netherlands team.

          PLowry

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          • Southwest AmAZIns,

            On September 27, 2017, in Post #61, you stated that you did not like the Modified Double Elimination format. I agree.

            The lowest team in a Modified Double Elimination is the team that most needs more games, yet they get one or two games fewer than every other team in the pool: Team A 3-0 Team B 2-2 Team C 1-2 Team D 0-2.

            The lowest team in the better method gets 3 games, just as all other teams: Team A 3-0 Team B 2-1 Team C 1-2 Team D 0-3 OR Team A 2-1 Team B 2-1 Team C 1-2 Team D 1-2.

            PLowry

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            • Jak, you posted Post #88 on February 28, 2018, which predicted the four Qualifier Round Pools.

              I think that each Classic needs fresh blood. Your predictions contain the same old countries from 2006, 2009, 2012-13, and 2016-17. The Classic is better when it has some surprises, like Israel and New Zealand who performed better than expected in 2016-17.

              Perhaps six nations can be introduced to the Classic, and six other nations whose won-lost performance has been poor can be culled from the field. For 2019-2020, these new nations might include: # 21 Argentina, # 27 Austria, # 29 Russia, # 30 Belgium, # 31 Indonesia, and # 42 Ireland; and these poorly performing nations might be excluded: # 22 Germany, # 24 Pakistan, # 25 France, # 26 Spain, # 33 Philippines, and # 38 England.

              The six excluded nations have all had their chance, in four consecutive Classics, to finish a pool with a winning record, and they have failed. So I don't think that these excluded nations will be missed at all. And the six new nations have a chance to be a Cinderella team like Israel which was expected to go 0-3 and actually went 7-2 in 2016-17.

              Phil Lowry

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              • Southwest AmAZins,

                You posted some percentages for the probability of certain nations hosting one of the 2020 Qualifier Round pools. Here are my comments.

                Panama 51 % - more likely to be 0 % since it has hosted twice and Nicaragua deserves a chance now.

                Nicaragua 100 % - recently renovated Estadio Nacional Dennis Martinez deserves a chance.

                Canada 48 % - more likely to be 0 % - something snapped in Canada's nervous system when the US defeated Canada 6-5 in the opening game of the Toronto 2009 First Round - they had 42,000 fans for that game but then attendance dropped off the cliff for the subsequent five games, including the games involving Canada - they have never since displayed the intense interest in the WBC that you would expect from the # 10 ranked team in the WBSC Rankings - they have never been the same since - they passed on the chance to host in 2013 and 2017.

                China 1 % - more likely to be 0 % - no stadium

                Germany 0.3 % - more likely to be 0% - low sub-3000 attendance for the 2012 Qualifier Round

                New Zealand 0.3 % - more likely to be 50% - a Cinderella story, baseball interest is growing, new North Harbour Stadium has 15,000 seats - stadium hosts the Auckland Tuatara franchise in the Australian Baseball League

                PLowry

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                • TOTAL CLASSIC ATTENDANCE

                  When WBC attendance is discussed, it is always in terms of one of the Classics or another. The total attendance for the four Classics is never discussed.

                  Here is a summary of the total attendance for all four Classics: 2006, 2009, 2012-13, and 2016-17.

                  Total attendance for all four Classics including the 2012 and 2016 Qualifier Rounds = 3,503,797 divided by 205 games = Average attendance of 17,092

                  Total attendance for all four Classics excluding the 2012 and 2016 Qualifier Rounds = 3,289,330 divided by 157 games = Average attendance of 20,951
                  Last edited by PLowry; 09-26-2019, 03:36 PM.

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                  • OVERALL STANDINGS BY NATION, NEW AND OLD, ROUND, YEAR, WIN %, NUMBER OF WINS

                    Prior to the 2020 WBCQ and 2021 WBC, here are the standings for the 2006 WBC, 2009 WBC, 2012 WBCQ, 2013 WBC, 2016 WBCQ, and 2017 WBC.

                    Nations are ranked by number of wins. Eight nations have winning records, one is at .500, and 20 have losing records.

                    NATION WINS LOSSES WIN %

                    1. Japan 23 wins 8 losses win % .742 WBC titles in 2006 and 2009, and most WBC wins
                    2. Puerto Rico 20 wins 9 losses win % .690 WBC twice runnerups in 2013 and 2017
                    3. Dominicana 18 wins 6 losses win % .750 WBC title in 2013, and tie for highest WBC win %
                    4. US 16 wins 12 losses win % .571 WBC title in 2017
                    5. South Korea 15 wins 7 losses win % .682 WBC runnerup in 2009
                    6. Cuba 15 wins 11 losses win % .577 WBC runnerup in 2006
                    7. Venezuela 12 wins 12 losses win % .500
                    8. Netherlands 11 wins 13 losses win % .458
                    9. Mexico 10 wins 11 losses win % .476
                    10. Israel 9 wins 3 losses win % .750 tie for highest WBC win %, most surprising Cinderella team, top Qualifier Round nation
                    11. Canada 6 wins 8 losses win % .429
                    12. Taiwan 6 wins 10 losses win % .375
                    13. Colombia 5 wins 4 losses win % .556, second best Qualifier Round nation
                    14. Australia 5 wins 10 losses win % .333
                    14. Italy 5 wins 10 losses win % .333
                    16. Brasil 4 wins 5 losses win % .444
                    17. Panama 4 wins 9 losses win % .308
                    18. England 3 wins 4 losses win % .429
                    18. New Zealand 3 wins 4 losses win % .429
                    20. Spain 3 wins 6 losses win % .333
                    21. South Africa 3 wins 9 losses win % .250
                    22. Germany 2 wins 4 losses win % .333
                    22. Nicaragua 2 wins 4 losses win % .333
                    24. China 2 wins 10 losses win % .167
                    25. Czech 1 win 4 losses win % .200
                    25. France 1 win 4 losses win % .200
                    25. Philippines 1 win 4 losses win % .200
                    28. Pakistan 0 wins 2 losses win % .000 winless
                    28. Thailand 0 wins 2 losses win % .000 winless

                    Nations are grouped by the 16 old 2009 First Round nations, and by the 12 new 2012 Qualifier Round nations and the one new 2016 Qualifier Round nation, and ranked by number of wins.

                    NATION WINS LOSSES WIN %

                    THE OLD SIXTEEN 2009 FIRST ROUND NATIONS

                    1. Japan 23 wins 8 losses win % .742 WBC titles in 2006 and 2009, and most WBC wins
                    2. Puerto Rico 20 wins 9 losses win % .690 WBC twice runnerups in 2013 and 2017
                    3. Dominicana 18 wins 6 losses win % .750 WBC title in 2013, and tie for highest WBC win %
                    4. US 16 wins 12 losses win % .571 WBC title in 2017
                    5. South Korea 15 wins 7 losses win % .682 WBC runnerup in 2009
                    6. Cuba 15 wins 11 losses win % .577 WBC runnerup in 2006
                    7. Venezuela 12 wins 12 losses win % .500
                    8. Netherlands 11 wins 13 losses win % .458
                    9. Mexico 10 wins 11 losses win % .476
                    10. Canada 6 wins 8 losses win % .429
                    11. Taiwan 6 wins 10 losses win % .375
                    12. Australia 5 wins 10 losses win % .333
                    12. Italy 5 wins 10 losses win % .333
                    14. Panama 4 wins 9 losses win % .308
                    15. South Africa 3 wins 9 losses win % .250, second worst First Round nation
                    16. China 2 wins 10 losses win % .167, worst First Round nation

                    THE NEW TWELVE 2012 QUALIFIER ROUND NATIONS AND THE NEW ONE 2016 QUALIFIER ROUND NATION

                    1. Israel 9 wins 3 losses win % .750 tie for highest WBC win %, most surprising Cinderella team, top Qualifier Round nation
                    2. Colombia 5 wins 4 losses win % .556, second best Qualifier Round nation
                    3. Brasil 4 wins 5 losses win % .444
                    4. England 3 wins 4 losses win % .429
                    4. New Zealand 3 wins 4 losses win % .429
                    6. Spain 3 wins 6 losses win % .333
                    7. Germany 2 wins 4 losses win % .333
                    7. Nicaragua 2 wins 4 losses win % .333
                    9. Czech 1 win 4 losses win % .200
                    9. France 1 win 4 losses win % .200
                    9. Philippines 1 win 4 losses win % .200
                    12. Pakistan 0 wins 2 losses win % .000 winless
                    12. Thailand 0 wins 2 losses win % .000 winless

                    Prior to the 2020 WBCQ and 2021 WBC, here are the standings for the 2006 WBC, 2009 WBC, 2012 WBCQ, 2013 WBC, 2016 WBCQ, and 2017 WBC.

                    Nations are ranked by Win %, and wins and losses are shown by year. Eight nations have Win % of over .500, one is at .500, and 20 have Win % of under .500.

                    NATION YEAR WINS LOSSES OVERALL

                    STANDINGS BY OVERALL WIN %

                    1. Dominicana

                    2006 - 5-2 - FOURTH PLACE
                    2009 - 1-2 - tied for 9th Place
                    2013 - 8-0 - CHAMPION
                    2017 - 4-2 - 6th Place
                    Overall - 18-6 - First Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .750
                    Overall 3rd Place by Number of Wins

                    2. Israel

                    2012 - 2-1 - 11th Place
                    2016-17 - 7-2 - 5th Place
                    Overall - 9-3 - 2nd Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .750
                    Overall 10th Place by Number of Wins, top Qualifier Round nation

                    3. Japan

                    2006 - 5-3 - CHAMPION
                    2009 - 7-2 - CHAMPION
                    2013 - 5-2 - THIRD PLACE
                    2017 - 6-1 - THIRD PLACE
                    Overall - 23-8 - 3rd Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .742
                    Overall 1st Place by Number of Wins

                    4. Puerto Rico

                    2006 - 4-2 - 5th Place
                    2009 - 4-2 - tied for 5th Place
                    2013 - 5-4 - RUNNERUP
                    2017 - 7-1 - RUNNERUP
                    Overall - 20-9 - 4th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .690
                    Overall 2nd Place by Number of Wins

                    5. South Korea

                    2006 - 6-1 - THIRD PLACE
                    2009 - 6-3 - RUNNERUP
                    2013 - 2-1 - 10th Place
                    2017 - 1-2 - 15th Place
                    Overall - 15-7 - 5th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .682
                    Overall 5th Place by Number of Wins

                    6. Cuba

                    2006 - 5-3 - RUNNERUP
                    2009 - 4-2 - tied for 5th Place
                    2013 - 4-2 - 5th Place
                    2017 - 2-4 - 14th Place
                    Overall - 15-11 - 6th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .577
                    Overall 6th Place by Number of Wins

                    7. US

                    2006 - 3-3 - tied for 6th Place
                    2009 - 4-4 - FOURTH PLACE
                    2013 - 3-3 - 7th Place
                    2017 - 6-2 - CHAMPION
                    Overall - 16-12 - 7th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .571
                    Overall 4th Place by Number of Wins

                    8. Colombia

                    2012 - 1-2 - tied for 20th Place
                    2016-17 - 4-2 - tied for 7th Place
                    Overall - 5-4 - 8th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .556
                    Overall 13th Place by Number of Wins, second best Qualifier Round nation

                    9. Venezuela

                    2006 - 3-3 - tied for 6th Place
                    2009 - 6-2 - THIRD PLACE
                    2013 - 1-2 - tied for 17th Place
                    2017 - 2-5 - 20th Place
                    Overall - 12-12 - 9th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .500
                    Overall 7th Place by Number of Wins

                    10. Mexico

                    2006 - 3-3 - tied for 6th Place
                    2009 - 2-4 - tied for 7th Place
                    2013 - 1-2 - tied for 17th Place
                    2016-17 - 4-2 - tied for 7th Place
                    Overall - 10-11 - 10th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .476
                    Overall 9th Place by Number of Wins

                    11. Netherlands

                    2006 - 1-2 - tied for 10th Place
                    2009 - 2-4 - tied for 7th Place
                    2013 - 4-4 - FOURTH PLACE
                    2017 - 4-3 - FOURTH PLACE
                    Overall - 11-13 - 11th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .458
                    Overall 8th Place by Number of Wins

                    12. Brasil

                    2012-13 - 3-3 - 12th Place
                    2016 - 1-2 - tied for 16th Place
                    Overall - 4-5 - 12th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .444
                    Overall 16th Place by Number of Wins

                    13. Canada

                    2006 - 2-1 - 9th Place
                    2009 - 0-2 - tied for 13th Place
                    2012-13 - 4-2 - 9th Place
                    2017 - 0-3 - tied for 26th Place
                    Overall - 6-8 - 13th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .429
                    Overall 11th Place by Number of Wins

                    14. England

                    2012 - 1-2 - tied for 20th Place
                    2016 - 2-2 - tied for 10th Place
                    Overall - 3-4 - tied for 14th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .429
                    Overall tied for 18th Place by Number of Wins

                    14. New Zealand

                    2012 - 2-2 - 13th Place
                    2016 - 1-2 - tied for 16th Place
                    Overall - 3-4 - tied for 14th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .429
                    Overall tied for 18th Place by Number of Wins

                    16. Taiwan

                    2006 - 1-2 - tied for 10th Place
                    2009 - 0-2 - tied for 13th Place
                    2012-13 - 5-3 - 6th Place
                    2017 - 0-3 - tied for 26th Place
                    Overall - 6-10 - 16th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .375
                    Overall 12th Place by Number of Wins

                    17. Australia

                    2006 - 0-3 - tied for 13th Place
                    2009 - 1-2 - tied for 9th Place
                    2013 - 0-3 - 28th Place
                    2016-17 - 4-2 - tied for 7th Place
                    Overall - 5-10 - tied for 17th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .333
                    Overall tied for 14th Place by Number of Wins

                    17. Italy

                    2006 - 1-2 - tied for 10th Place
                    2009 - 1-2 - tied for 9th Place
                    2013 - 2-3 - 8th Place
                    2017 - 1-3 - 21st Place
                    Overall - 5-10 - tied for 17th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .333
                    Overall tied for 14th Place by Number of Wins

                    19. Spain

                    2012-13 - 3-4 - 16th Place
                    2016 - 0-2 - tied for 22nd Place
                    Overall - 3-6 - 19th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .333
                    Overall 20th Place by Number of Wins

                    20. Germany

                    2012 - 2-2 - 13th Place
                    2016 - 0-2 tied for 22nd Place
                    Overall - 2-4 - tied for 20th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .333
                    Overall tied for 22nd Place by Number of Wins

                    20. Nicaragua

                    2012 - 0-2 - tied for 24th Place
                    2016 - 2-2 - tied for 10th Place
                    Overall - 2-4 - tied for 20th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .333
                    Overall tied for 22nd Place by Number of Wins

                    22. Panama

                    2006 - 0-3 - tied for 13th Place
                    2009 - 0-2 - tied for 13th Place
                    2012 - 2-2 - 13th Place
                    2016 - 2-2 - tied for 10th Place
                    Overall - 4-9 - 22nd Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .308
                    Overall 17th Place by Number of Wins

                    23. South Africa

                    2006 - 0-3 - tied for 13th Place
                    2009 - 0-2 - tied for 13th Place
                    2012 - 1-2 - tied for 20th Place
                    2016 - 2-2 - tied for 10th Place
                    Overall - 3-9 - 23rd Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .250
                    Overall 21st Place by Number of Wins, second worst First Round nation

                    24. Czech

                    2012 - 0-2 - tied for 24th Place
                    2016 - 1-2 - tied for 16th Place
                    Overall - 1-4 - tied for 24th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .200
                    Overall tied for 25th Place by Number of Wins

                    24. France

                    2012 - 0-2 - tied for 24th Place
                    2016 - 1-2 - tied for 16th Place
                    Overall - 1-4 - tied for 24th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .200
                    Overall tied for 25th Place by Number of Wins

                    24. Philippines

                    2012 - 1-2 - tied for 20th Place
                    2016 - 0-2 - tied for 22nd Place
                    Overall - 1-4 - tied for 24th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .200
                    Overall tied for 25th Place by Number of Wins

                    27. China

                    2006 - 0-3 - tied for 13th Place
                    2009 - 1-2 - tied for 9th Place
                    2013 - 1-2 - tied for 17th Place
                    2017 - 0-3 - tied for 26th Place
                    Overall - 2-10 - 27th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .167
                    Overall 24 th Place by Number of Wins, worst First Round nation

                    28. Pakistan

                    2016 - 0-2 - tied for 22nd Place
                    Overall - 0-2 - tied for 28th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .000
                    Overall tied for 28th Place by Number of Wins

                    28. Thailand

                    2012 - 0-2 - tied for 24th Place
                    Overall - 0-2 - tied for 28th Place by Win %
                    Overall Win % .000
                    Overall tied for 28th Place by Number of Wins

                    OVERALL STANDINGS BY WIN %

                    NATION WINS-LOSSES WIN %

                    1. Dominicana 18-6 .750
                    2. Israel 9-3 .750
                    3. Japan 23-8 .742
                    4. Puerto Rico 20-9 .690
                    5. South Korea 15-7 .682
                    6. Cuba 15-11 .577
                    7. US 16-12 .571
                    8. Colombia 5-4 .556
                    9. Venezuela 12-12 .500
                    10. Mexico 10-11 .476
                    11. Netherlands 11-13 .458
                    12. Brasil 4-5 .444
                    13. Canada 6-8 .429
                    14. England 3-4 .429
                    14. New Zealand 3-4 .429
                    16. Taiwan 6-10 .375
                    17. Australia 5-10 .333
                    17. Italy 5-10 .333
                    19. Spain 3-6 .333
                    20. Germany 2-4 .333
                    20. Nicaragua 2-4 .333
                    22. Panama 4-9 .308
                    23. South Africa 3-9 .250
                    24. Czech 1-4 .200
                    24. France 1-4 .200
                    24. Philippines 1-4 .200
                    27. China 2-10 .167
                    28. Pakistan 0-2 .000
                    28. Thailand 0-2 .000

                    OVERALL STANDINGS BY NUMBER OF WINS

                    NATION WINS-LOSSES

                    23 WINS

                    1. Japan 23-8

                    20 WINS

                    2. Puerto Rico 20-9

                    18 WINS

                    3. Dominicana 18-6

                    16 WINS

                    4. US 16-12

                    15 WINS

                    5. South Korea 15-7
                    6. Cuba 15-11

                    12 WINS

                    7. Venezuela 12-12

                    11 WINS

                    8. Netherlands 11-13

                    10 WINS

                    9. Mexico 10-11

                    9 WINS

                    10. Israel 9-3

                    6 WINS

                    11. Canada 6-8
                    12. Taiwan 6-10

                    5 WINS

                    13. Colombia 5-4
                    14. Australia 5-10
                    14. Italy 5-10

                    4 WINS

                    16. Brasil 4-5
                    17. Panama 4-9

                    3 WINS

                    18. England 3-4
                    18. New Zealand 3-4
                    20. Spain 3-6
                    21. South Africa 3-9

                    2 WINS

                    22. Germany 2-4
                    22. Nicaragua 2-4
                    24. China 2-10

                    1 WIN

                    25. Czech 1-4
                    25. France 1-4
                    25. Philippines 1-4

                    NO WINS

                    28. Pakistan 0-2
                    28. Thailand 0-2
                    Last edited by PLowry; 09-26-2019, 03:42 PM.

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                    • ATTENDANCE HIGHEST AND LOWEST, BY ROUND

                      LOWEST CROWDS INCLUDING QUALIFIER ROUND - ALL FROM QUALIFIER ROUND

                      503 New Taipei City, Taiwan 2012
                      529 Blacktown, Australia 2016
                      623 Blacktown, Australia 2016
                      814 Jupiter Florida 2012

                      These figures should give us pause before giving any more pools to Taiwan or Australia.

                      Substantial advertising and additional promotion needs to be devoted to our Qualifier Round pools. It is pathetic to have crowds of 503 and 529 for the Classic.

                      LOWEST CROWDS EXCLUDING QUALIFIER ROUND - ALL FROM FIRST ROUND

                      1085 Taichung, Taiwan 2013
                      1113 Taichung, Taiwan 2013
                      1481 Taichung, Taiwan 2013
                      1783 Zapopan, Mexico 2017 - seventh game tie-breaker - Venezuela vs. Italy

                      These figures should give us pause before giving any more pools to Taiwan.

                      Asian nations draw very poor crowds when the host nation is not competing.

                      Ignoring the Zapopan tie-breaker, Taichung's crowd of 1085 is 152 % lower than the runnerup city of Seoul's crowd of 2739.

                      LOWEST POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS INCLUDING QUALIFIER ROUND - ALL FROM QUALIFIER ROUND

                      1327 average and 7964 total Blacktown, Australia 2016
                      1656 average and 9938 total Jupiter, Florida 2012
                      1974 average and 11,846 total Brooklyn, New York 2016
                      2798 average and 16,786 total Regensburg, Germany 2012

                      These figures should give us pause before giving any more pools to US minor league ballparks, or to Australia or Germany.

                      Blacktown's attendance was 25 % worse than runnerup Jupiter.

                      LOWEST POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS EXCLUDING QUALIFIER ROUND - ALL FROM FIRST ROUND

                      8714 average and 52,286 total Seoul, South Korea 2017
                      9998 average and 59,988 total Lake Buena Vista, Florida 2006 - highest energy level and crowd decibel noise in entire history of WBC - Dominicana vs. Venezuela - 10,645 fans
                      11,197 average and 67,180 total Taichung, Taiwan 2013
                      12,305 average and 86,132 total Zapopan, Mexico - seventh game was tie-breaker - Venezuela vs. Italy - 1783 fans

                      These figures should give us pause before giving any more pools to South Korea.

                      HIGHEST CROWDS

                      54,846 Los Angeles, California Championship Round 2009
                      51,565 Los Angeles, California Championship Round 2017
                      45,640 Tokyo, Japan First Round 2009
                      44,908 Tokyo, Japan First Round 2017

                      These figures show why Tokyo should be awarded BOTH the First Round and Championship Round in 2021. Tokyo is the only city that can fill up their ballpark for either a First Round, a Second Round, or a Championship Round game.

                      HIGHEST POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS EXCLUDING CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND

                      34,845 average and 209,072 total Tokyo, Japan Second Round 2017
                      34,422 average and 206,534 total Tokyo, Japan First Round 2017
                      31,960 average and 191,757 total Anaheim, California Second Round 2006
                      28,443 average and 170,658 total Tokyo, Japan Second Round 2013

                      These figures emphasize why Tokyo should be awarded both the First Round AND the Championship Round in 2021, and why Anaheim should be given another pool.

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                      LOWEST CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND CROWDS

                      24,865 Los Angeles, California 2017
                      27,527 San Francisco, California 2013
                      33,462 Los Angeles, California 2017
                      33,683 San Francisco, California 2013

                      San Francisco crowds need to be understood, given the fact that all of its three games were played in the fog and the rain.

                      LOWEST CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      32,304 average and 96,913 total San Francisco, California 2013
                      36,631 average and 109,892 total Los Angeles, California 2017

                      Los Angeles is not certain to draw near-capacity crowds, as they did in 2009. The 2017 total of 109,892 for Los Angeles was disappointingly low, 23 % lower than their 2009 total of 141,854.

                      HIGHEST CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND CROWDS

                      54,846 Los Angeles, California 2009
                      51,565 Los Angeles, California 2017
                      43,630 Los Angeles, California 2009
                      43,378 Los Angeles, California 2009

                      HIGHEST CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      47,285 average and 141,854 total Los Angeles, California 2009 - 12 % higher than second place.
                      42,201 average and 126,603 total San Diego, California 2006

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                      LOWEST SECOND ROUND CROWDS

                      5017 Tokyo, Japan 2017
                      6594 San Juan, Puerto Rico 2006
                      7613 Tokyo, Japan 2013
                      9329 San Diego, California 2009

                      Japan's only weakness is not drawing well when the host team is not playing.

                      LOWEST SECOND ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      15,297 average and 91,783 total San Diego, California 2013
                      15,361 average and 92,163 total San Juan, Puerto Rico 2006
                      19,066 average and 114,397 total Miami Gardens, Florida 2009
                      24,318 average and 145,905 total San Diego, California 2017

                      These figures should give us pause before giving any more pools to San Diego.

                      HIGHEST SECOND ROUND CROWDS

                      44,326 Tokyo, Japan 2017
                      43,527 Tokyo, Japan 2013
                      43,153 Tokyo, Japan 2017
                      43,002 San Diego, California 2017

                      These figures provide more proof why Tokyo deserves BOTH the First Round and the Championship Round in 2021. Tokyo has 11 crowds of more than 40,000 in the First and Second Rounds, way ahead of the runnerups who have only one such crowd: Anaheim, Phoenix, San Diego, and Toronto.

                      HIGHEST SECOND ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      34,845 average and 209,072 total Tokyo, Japan 2017
                      31,960 average and 191,757 total Anaheim, California 2006
                      28,443 average and 170,658 total Tokyo, Japan 2013
                      25,519 average and 153,115 total Miami, Florida 2013

                      Anaheim and Miami deserve future Second Round pools.

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                      LOWEST FIRST ROUND CROWDS

                      1085 Taichung, Taiwan 2013
                      1113 Taichung, Taiwan 2013
                      1481 Taichung, Taiwan 2013
                      1783 Zapopan, Mexico 2017 - seventh game was tie-breaker - Venezuela vs. Italy.

                      Taiwan needs to devote much more attention and promotion to the non-Asia games in its 2020 Qualifier Round pool.

                      LOWEST FIRST ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      8714 average and 52,286 total Seoul, South Korea 2017 - 15 % lower than runnerup Lake Buena Vista.
                      9998 average and 59,988 total Lake Buena Vista, Florida 2006 - highest decibel crowd noise in entire history of WBC - Dominicana vs. Venezuela - 10,645 fans.
                      11,197 average and 67,180 total Taichung, Taiwan 2013
                      12,305 average and 86,132 total Zapopan, Mexico - seventh game was tie-breaker - Venezuela vs. Italy - 1783 fans.

                      Seoul's attendance, in a brand new stadium, was disappointing.

                      HIGHEST FIRST ROUND CROWDS

                      45,640 Tokyo, Japan 2009
                      44,908 Tokyo, Japan 2017
                      44,256 Phoenix, Arizona 2013
                      43,428 Tokyo, Japan 2009

                      These figures provide more proof why Tokyo deserves BOTH the First Round and the Championship Round in 2021.

                      HIGHEST FIRST ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      34,422 average and 206,534 total Tokyo, Japan 2017 - 26 % more than runnerup city Miami.
                      28,352 average and 170,112 total Tokyo, Japan 2009
                      27,313 average and 163,878 total Miami, Florida 2017
                      19,197 average and 115,183 total Phoenix, Arizona 2013

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                      LOWEST QUALIFIER ROUND CROWDS

                      503 New Taipei City, Taiwan 2012
                      529 Blacktown, Australia 2016
                      623 Blacktown, Australia 2016
                      814 Jupiter, Florida 2012

                      LOWEST QUALIFIER ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      1327 average and 7964 total Blacktown, Australia 2016
                      1656 average and 9938 total Jupiter, Florida 2012
                      1974 average and 11,846 total Brooklyn, New York 2016
                      2798 average and 16,786 total Regensburg, Germany 2012

                      HIGHEST QUALIFIER ROUND CROWDS

                      16,521 Mexicali, Mexico 2016
                      14,711 Mexicali, Mexico 2016
                      13,728 Panama City, Panama 2012
                      12,715 Mexicali, Mexico 2016

                      Perhaps Mexicali should be considered to host the 2020 Qualifier Round pool in Mexico, rather than Zapopan.

                      HIGHEST QUALIFIER ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      9411 average and 56,465 total Mexicali, Mexico 2016
                      7415 average and 44,487 total Panama City, Panama 2012
                      5920 average and 35,520 total Panama City, Panama 2016
                      5243 average and 31,456 total New Taipei City, Taiwan 2012

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                      LOWEST 2006 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND CROWD

                      41,268 San Diego, California

                      ONLY 2006 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      42,201 average and 126,603 total San Diego, California

                      HIGHEST 2006 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND CROWDS

                      42,696 San Diego, California
                      42,639 San Diego, California

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                      LOWEST 2009 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND CROWD

                      43,378 Los Angeles, California

                      ONLY 2009 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      47,285 average and 141,854 total Los Angeles, California

                      HIGHEST 2009 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND CROWDS

                      54,846 Los Angeles, California
                      43,630 Los Angeles, California

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                      LOWEST 2013 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND CROWD

                      27,527 San Francisco, California

                      ONLY 2013 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      32,304 average and 96,913 total San Francisco, California

                      HIGHEST 2013 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND CROWDS

                      35,703 San Francisco, California
                      33,683 San Francisco, California

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                      LOWEST 2017 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND CROWD

                      24,865 Los Angeles, California

                      ONLY 2017 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      36,631 average and 109,892 total Los Angeles, California

                      HIGHEST 2017 CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND CROWDS

                      51,565 Los Angeles, California
                      33,462 Los Angeles, California

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                      LOWEST 2006 SECOND ROUND CROWDS

                      6594 San Juan, Puerto Rico
                      13,007 San Juan, Puerto Rico
                      13,697 San Juan, Puerto Rico
                      16,591 Anaheim, California

                      LOWEST 2006 SECOND ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      15,361 average and 92,163 total San Juan, Puerto Rico

                      HIGHEST 2006 SECOND ROUND CROWDS

                      42,979 Anaheim, California
                      39,679 Anaheim, California
                      38,284 Anaheim, California
                      32,896 Anaheim, California

                      HIGHEST 2006 SECOND ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      31,953 average and 191,717 total Anaheim, California

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                      LOWEST 2009 SECOND ROUND CROWDS

                      9329 San Diego, California
                      9774 San Diego, California
                      11,059 Miami Gardens, Florida
                      13,224 Miami Gardens, Florida

                      LOWEST 2009 SECOND ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      15,297 average and 91,783 total San Diego, California

                      This is the most disappointing set of attendance figures in WBC history. After averaging a sell-out 42,201 for the Championship Round three years earlier in 2006, San Diego Second Round attendance descended by 176 %. Television viewers saw an almost empty stadium, and the ballpark lights were dim, so the entire round came off as rinky dink.

                      San Diego's Second Round attendance was less than three out of four of the First Round pools.

                      HIGHEST 2009 SECOND ROUND CROWDS

                      30,595 Miami Gardens, Florida
                      25,599 Miami Gardens, Florida
                      22,337 San Diego, California
                      20,179 San Diego, California

                      HIGHEST 2009 SECOND ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      19,066 average and 114,397 total Miami Gardens, Florida

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                      LOWEST 2013 SECOND ROUND CROWDS

                      7613 Tokyo, Japan
                      12,884 Tokyo, Japan
                      14,482 Miami, Florida
                      19,762 Miami, Florida

                      LOWEST 2013 SECOND ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      25,519 average and 153,115 total Miami, Florida

                      HIGHEST 2013 SECOND ROUND CROWDS

                      43,527 Tokyo, Japan
                      38,588 Tokyo, Japan
                      37,745 Tokyo, Japan
                      34,366 Miami, Florida

                      HIGHEST 2013 SECOND ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      28,443 average and 170,658 total Tokyo, Japan

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                      LOWEST 2017 SECOND ROUND CROWDS

                      5017 Tokyo, Japan
                      16,390 San Diego, California
                      16,635 San Diego, California
                      16,637 San Diego, California

                      LOWEST 2017 SECOND ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      24,318 average and 145,905 total San Diego, California

                      HIGHEST 2017 SECOND ROUND CROWDS

                      44,326 Tokyo, Japan
                      43,179 Tokyo, Japan
                      43,153 Tokyo, Japan
                      43,002 San Diego, California

                      HIGHEST 2017 SECOND ROUND POOL AVERAGE AND TOTAL

                      34,845 average and 209,072 total Tokyo, Japan

                      Tokyo outdrew San Diego by 43 %.

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                      LOWEST 2006 FIRST ROUND CROWDS

                      3925 Tokyo, Japan
                      4577 Tokyo, Japan
                      5193 Tokyo, Japan
                      5829 Scottsdale, Arizona

                      LOWEST 2006 FIRST ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      9998 average and 59,988 total Lake Buena Vista, Florida
                      12,412 average and 74,472 total San Juan, Puerto Rico

                      HIGHEST 2006 FIRST ROUND CROWDS

                      40,353 Tokyo, Japan
                      32,727 Phoenix, Arizona
                      31,047 Tokyo, Japan
                      19,736 San Juan, Puerto Rico

                      HIGHEST 2006 FIRST ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      16,827 average and 100,964 total Tokyo, Japan
                      15,201 average and 91,205 total Phoenix/Scottsdale, Arizona

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                      LOWEST 2009 FIRST ROUND CROWDS

                      9221 San Juan, Puerto Rico
                      9335 San Juan, Puerto Rico
                      10,311 Mexico City, Mexico
                      10,450 Toronto, Canada

                      LOWEST 2009 FIRST ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      14,450 average and 86,698 total San Juan, Puerto Rico
                      15,444 average and 92,665 total Mexico City, Mexico

                      HIGHEST 2009 FIRST ROUND CROWDS

                      45,640 Tokyo, Japan
                      43,428 Tokyo, Japan
                      42,879 Tokyo, Japan
                      42,314 Toronto, Canada

                      HIGHEST 2009 FIRST ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      28,352 average and 170,112 total Tokyo, Japan
                      17,317 average and 103,899 total Toronto, Canada

                      Tokyo outdrew Toronto by 64 %.

                      Tokyo in 2009 outdrew its 2006 attendance by 68 %.

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                      LOWEST 2013 FIRST ROUND CROWDS

                      1085 Taichung, Taiwan
                      1113 Taichung, Taiwan
                      1481 Taichung, Taiwan
                      3110 Fukuoka, Japan

                      LOWEST 2013 FIRST ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      11,197 average and 67,180 total Taichung, Taiwan
                      13,195 average and 79,168 total Fukuoka, Japan

                      HIGHEST 2013 FIRST ROUND CROWDS

                      44,256 Phoenix, Arizona
                      28,181 Fukuoka, Japan
                      26,860 Fukuoka, Japan
                      23,431 Taichung, Taiwan

                      HIGHEST 2013 FIRST ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      19,197 average and 115,183 total Phoenix, Arizona
                      15,817 average and 94,899 total San Juan, Puerto Rico

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                      LOWEST 2017 FIRST ROUND CROWDS

                      1783 Zapopan, Mexico - seventh game tie-breaker - Venezuela vs. Italy
                      2739 Seoul, South Korea
                      3013 Tokyo, Japan
                      3287 Seoul, South Korea

                      LOWEST 2017 FIRST ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      8714 average and 52,286 total Seoul, South Korea
                      12,305 average and 86,132 total Zapopan, Mexico

                      Seoul's attendance, in a brand new stadium, was very disappointing.

                      HIGHEST 2017 FIRST ROUND CROWDS

                      44,908 Tokyo, Japan
                      41,408 Tokyo, Japan
                      40,053 Tokyo, Japan
                      39,102 Tokyo, Japan

                      Tokyo outdrew its regional rival Seoul by 295 %.

                      HIGHEST 2017 FIRST ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      34,422 average and 206,534 total Tokyo, Japan
                      27,313 average and 163,878 total Miami, Florida

                      Tokyo's pool attendance figures in 2017 surpassed by far any non-Championship Round pools.

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                      LOWEST 2012 QUALIFIER ROUND CROWDS

                      503 New Taipei City, Taiwan
                      814 Jupiter, Florida
                      922 Jupiter, Florida
                      923 New Taipei City, Taiwan

                      LOWEST 2012 QUALIFIER ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      1656 average and 9938 total Jupiter, Florida
                      2798 average and 16,786 total Regensburg, Germany

                      HIGHEST 2012 QUALIFIER ROUND CROWDS

                      13,728 Panama City, Panama
                      10,911 New Taipei City, Taiwan
                      10,368 Panama City, Panama
                      9788 New Taipei City, Panama

                      HIGHEST 2012 QUALIFIER ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      7415 average and 44,487 total Panama City, Panama
                      5243 average and 31,456 total New Taipei City, Taiwan

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                      LOWEST 2016 QUALIFIER ROUND CROWDS

                      529 Blacktown, Australia
                      623 Blacktown, Australia
                      852 Panama City, Panama
                      1210 Brooklyn, New York

                      LOWEST 2016 QUALIFIER ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      1327 average and 7964 total Blacktown, Australia
                      1974 average and 11,846 total Brooklyn, New York

                      HIGHEST 2016 QUALIFIER ROUND CROWDS

                      16,521 Mexicali, Mexico
                      14,711 Mexicali, Mexico
                      12,715 Mexicali, Mexico
                      12,559 Panama City, Panama

                      HIGHEST 2016 QUALIFIER ROUND POOL AVERAGES AND TOTALS

                      9411 average and 56,465 total Mexicali, Mexico
                      5920 average and 35,520 total Panama City, Panama
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                      • What is your opinion of WBSC "Premier 12"?

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                        • My opinion of Premier 12 is that the more international baseball, the better.

                          wbcno1fan, do you have any suggestions on how we can restore frequent posts on International Baseball / 2021 WBC forum ?
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                          • STATISTICS - LONGESTS BY INNINGS, TIME, RAIN, FOG AND RAIN, WARMEST, COOLEST, STRONGEST WIND, MOST POOLS BY CITY AND BY NATION, NATIONS MOST WINS, HIGHEST WIN %, MOST CHAMPIONSHIPS, CHAMPIONSHIPS THAT MAKE SENSE, CHAMPIONSHIPS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND, STRIKEOUTS, NO-HITTER, HOME RUNS, TRIPLES

                            LONGEST GAMES BY INNINGS

                            2006 First Round - 11 innings - San Juan
                            2009 First Round - 11 innings - San Juan
                            2009 Championship Round - 10 innings - Los Angeles
                            2012 Qualifier Round - 11 innings - Jupiter
                            2013 Second Round - 10 innings - Tokyo
                            2016 Qualifier Round - 11 innings - Mexicali
                            2017 First Round - 11 innings - Miami
                            2017 Second Round - 11 innings - Tokyo
                            2017 Championship Round - 11 innings - Los Angeles

                            LONGEST GAMES BY TIME

                            2006 First Round - 4:11 - San Juan
                            2006 Second Round - 3:56 - San Juan
                            2006 Championship Round - 3:42 - San Diego
                            2009 First Round - 3:43 - Mexico City
                            2009 Second Round - 3:54 - Miami Gardens
                            2009 Championship Round - 4:00 - Los Angeles
                            2012 Qualifier Round - 4:50 Jupiter
                            2013 First Round - 3:59 - San Juan
                            2013 Second Round - 4:37 - Tokyo
                            2013 Championship Round - 3:27 - San Francisco
                            2016 Qualifier Round - 3:57 - Mexicali
                            2017 First Round - 4:44 - Miami and Zapopan
                            2017 Second Round - 4:46 Tokyo
                            2017 Championship Round - 4:19 - Los Angeles

                            GAMES PLAYED IN THE RAIN

                            2006 Championship Round - San Diego
                            2009 First Round - Mexico City
                            2012 Qualifier Round - Jupiter
                            2017 Championship Round two games - Los Angeles

                            GAMES PLAYED ENTIRELY IN THE FOG AND THE RAIN

                            2013 Championship Round two games - San Francisco

                            RAIN DELAYS

                            2006 Championship Round - 0:45 - San Diego
                            2009 Second Round - 1:02 - Miami Gardens
                            2012 Qualifier Round four delays - 5:55 - Jupiter
                            2012 Qualifier Round - 5:09 - New Taipei City
                            2012 Qualifier Round - 4:38 - New Taipei City
                            2012 Qualifier Round - 0:45 - Regensburg
                            2013 First Round - 0:50 - San Juan

                            WARMEST TEMPERATURES AT GAME TIME

                            2006 First Round - 84 degrees - San Juan
                            2006 Second Round - 83 degrees - San Juan
                            2006 Championship Round - 58 degrees - San Diego
                            2009 First Round - 80 degrees - Mexico City and San Juan
                            2009 Second Round - 76 degrees - Miami Gardens
                            2009 Championship Round - 66 degrees - Los Angeles
                            2012 Qualifier Round - 86 degrees - Jupiter and Panama City
                            2013 First Round - 86 degrees - San Juan
                            2013 Second Round - 80 degrees - Miami
                            2013 Championship Round - 58 degrees - San Francisco
                            2016 Qualifier Round - 97 degrees - Blacktown - hottest in WBC history
                            2017 First Round - 83 degrees - Seoul
                            2017 Second Round - 80 degrees - San Diego
                            2017 Championship Round - 63 degrees - Los Angeles

                            COOLEST TEMPERATURES AT GAME TIME

                            2006 First Round - 57 degrees - Lake Buena Vista
                            2006 Second Round - 48 degrees - Anaheim - coldest in WBC history
                            2006 Championship Round - 57 degrees - San Diego
                            2009 First Round - 63 degrees - Mexico City
                            2009 Second Round - 56 degrees - San Diego
                            2009 Championship Round - 58 degrees - Los Angeles
                            2012 Qualifier Round - 55 degrees - Regensburg
                            2013 First Round - 52 degrees - Taichung
                            2013 Second Round - 67 degrees - Miami
                            2013 Championship Round - 55 degrees - San Francisco
                            2016 Qualifier Round - 66 degrees - Brooklyn
                            2017 First Round - 63 degrees - Zapopan
                            2017 Second Round - 59 degrees - San Diego
                            2017 Championship Round - 61 degrees - Los Angeles

                            STRONGEST WIND AT GAME TIME

                            2006 First Round - 24 mph to CF - Scottsdale
                            2006 Second Round - 21 mph to RF - San Juan
                            2006 Championship Round - 13 mph to RF - San Diego
                            2009 First Round - 26 mph to RF - San Juan - strongest in WBC history
                            2009 Second Round - 17 mph to RF - Miami Gardens
                            2009 Championship Round - 10 mph to RF - Los Angeles
                            2012 Qualifier Round - 17 mph to LF - New Taipei City
                            2013 First Round - 25 mph to RF - Taichung
                            2013 Second Round - 12 mph to LF - Miami
                            2013 Championship Round - 20 mph to HP - San Francisco
                            2016 Qualifier Round - 21 mph to RF - Blacktown
                            2017 First Round - 8 mph to RF - Zapopan
                            2017 Second Round - 8 mph to RF - San Diego
                            2017 Championship Round - 10 mph to RF - Los Angeles

                            CITIES WITH MOST POOLS

                            5 Tokyo
                            4 San Juan
                            3 Miami/Miami Gardens and San Diego

                            NATIONS WITH MOST POOLS

                            15 US
                            6 Japan
                            4 Puerto Rico
                            3 Mexico

                            It is not right that the US has hosted 15 out of the 36 pools, or 42 %. It is also not right that the US has hosted four out of the four Championship Round pools, or 100 %.

                            NATIONS WITH MOST WINS

                            23 Japan
                            20 Puerto Rico
                            18 Dominicana
                            16 US
                            15 Cuba and South Korea

                            NATIONS WITH BEST WINNING PERCENTAGE

                            Dominicana with .750 and 18 wins 6 losses
                            Japan with .742 and 23 wins 8 losses
                            Puerto Rico with .690 and 20 wins 9 losses
                            South Korea with .682 and 15 wins 7 losses
                            Cuba with .577 and 15 wins 11 losses
                            US with .571 and 16 wins 12 losses

                            NATIONS WITH MOST CHAMPIONSHIPS

                            2 Japan
                            1 Dominicana and US

                            QUALIFIER ROUND NATIONS WITH MOST WINS

                            9 Israel
                            5 Colombia
                            4 Brasil

                            CHAMPIONSHIPS THAT MAKE SENSE

                            2009 - Japan won the title with the best record of 7 wins 2 losses.
                            2013 - Dominicana won the title with an undefeated record of 8 wins 0 losses.

                            CHAMPIONSHIPS THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND

                            2006 - Japan won the title with a blemished record of 5 wins 3 losses. Second place Cuba had the same record as Japan. Third place South Korea had a record of 6 wins 1 loss, better than Japan and Cuba. Fourth place Dominicana had a record of 5 wins 2 losses, also better than Japan and Cuba.

                            2017 - US won the title with a record of 6 wins 2 losses. Both second place Puerto Rico with a record of 7 wins 1 loss, and third place Japan with a record of 6 wins 1 loss, had better records than US.

                            PITCHING MOST STRIKEOUTS

                            2006 - 15 Mexico - Scottsdale
                            2009 - 15 Dominicana - San Juan
                            2013 - 15 Japan - Fukuoka
                            2017 - 15 USA - Miami

                            PITCHING NO-HITTER

                            2006 - Netherlands - 7 innings - San Juan

                            BATTING HOME RUNS

                            2006 - 4 Dominicana - Lake Buena Vista
                            2009 - 5 Cuba - Mexico City
                            2013 - 6 Japan - Tokyo
                            2017 - 4 Italy - Zapopan
                            2017 - 4 Netherlands - Tokyo

                            BATTING TRIPLES

                            2006 - 3 Canada - Phoenix
                            2009 - 2 South Africa - Mexico City
                            2009 - 2 Venezuela - Toronto
                            2013 - 2 Japan - San Francisco
                            2017 - 2 Puerto Rico - Zapopan

                            BATTING DOUBLES

                            2006 - 7 Canada - Scottsdale
                            2009 - 5 Venezuela - Toronto
                            2012 - 5 Taiwan - New Taipei City
                            2017 - 7 Venezuela - Zapopan
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                            • MARGIN OF VICTORY (MOV) AND EQUITABLE BRACKETING, BY ROUND, YEAR, RUN

                              We have yet to analyze margin of victory (MOV) on this WBC 2021 forum. As much as possible, we should avoid 14-0 blowout games because they are unenjoyable for fans and players. As much as possible, we should avoid a Ranked # 1 nation playing against a Ranked # 16 nation. We should endeavor to engineer equitable bracketing into the WBC tournament to reduce mercy rule endings.

                              Our goal should be to have all games end with a margin of victory of just one run. This is not a realistic goal. But some pools have come close. The 2006 Second Round pool in Anaheim had four of six games end with a margin of victory of just one run. Similarly, a margin of victory of just one run in three out of six games occurred in three other pools - 2013 Second Round in Miami, 2016 Qualifier Round in Mexicali, and 2017 First Round in Zapopan. Another pool with interesting games was the 2017 Championship Round in Los Angeles, when two out of three games were decided by just one run.

                              Margin of victory should be a measurement of how well the teams are bracketed. The lower the margin of victory, the more interesting the games. When the US plays against Dominicana, you have an interesting game; the same is true for Japan vs. South Korea. When Japan plays China you have a game that is not interesting; the same is true for US vs. South Africa. The closer the WBSC rankings for a game, the better and more competitive and more enjoyable will be the game.

                              Here is a fresh take on this subject. The best way to do this is to use the following bracket system for the First Round: Teams ranked 1 through 4 in Pool A, teams ranked 5 through 8 in Pool B, teams ranked 9 through 12 in Pool C, and teams ranked 13 through 16 in Pool D. This would give an advantage to the lower ranked worse teams, and a disadvantage to the higher ranked better teams. Then in the Second Round, you might have teams ranked 1, 2, 5, and 6 in Pool I, and teams ranked 9, 10, 13, and 14 in Pool II. Or if you want to retain the current bracket system for the Second Round, you would have teams 1, 5, 9, and 13 in Pool I, and teams 2, 6, 10, and 14 in Pool 2. The objective - all one-run margins of victory - is unattainable, but under this system you would have much more competitive games, and therefore more enjoyable games for the fans and players.

                              Here is a look at margins of victory in the WBCQ 2012 and 2016, and the WBC 2006, 2009, 2013, and 2017.

                              QR = Qualifier Round, FR = First Round, SR = Second Round, CR = Championship Round

                              The Second Round and Championship Round have considerably more close games than the Qualifier Round and the First Round. Both the SR and CR have 67 % of their games with a margin of victory of less than 5 runs. The corresponding percentages for the QR and FR are only 42 % and 48 % respectively.

                              The QR has almost double the number of blowout games with a margin of victory of 10 or more runs.than the other three rounds. QR has blowouts in 31 % of its games, while the corresponding percentage for FR is 17 %, for SR is 12 %, and for CR is 0%.

                              The first area of concern is to make rankings for two teams in QR games as close as possible. This can easily be done.

                              SUMMARY OF MARGIN OF VICTORY BY ROUND

                              Qualifier Round Less Than 5 Runs 20 games / 48 total games = 42 %
                              Qualifier Round Between 5 and 9 Runs 13 games / 48 total games = 27 %
                              Qualifier Round More Than 9 Runs 15 games / 48 total games = 31 %

                              First Round Less Than 5 Runs 47 games / 97 total games = 48 %
                              First Round Between 5 and 9 Runs 34 games / 97 total games = 35 %
                              First Round More Than 9 Runs 16 games / 97 total games = 17 %

                              Second Round Less Than 5 Runs 32 games / 48 total games = 67 %
                              Second Round Between 5 and 9 Runs 10 games / 48 total games = 21 %
                              Second Round More Than 9 Runs 6 games / 48 total games = 12 %

                              Championship Round Less Than 5 Runs 8 games / 12 total games = 67 %
                              Championship Round Between 5 and 9 Runs 4 games / 12 total games = 33 %
                              Championship Round More Than 9 Runs 0 games / 12 total games = 0 %

                              ROUND - MARGIN OF VICTORY (MOV) IN RUNS - NUMBER OF GAMES

                              QR - 16 runs 1 game; 15 runs 2 games; 14 runs - 1 game; 12 runs - 1 game; 11 runs - 2 games; 10 runs - 8 games;
                              9 runs - 2 games; 8 runs - 2 games; 7 runs - 6 games; 6 runs - 3 games; 4 runs - 3 games; 3 runs - 5 games;
                              2 runs - 4 games; 1 run - 8 games --- TOTAL 48 games

                              FR - 17 runs - 1 game; 16 runs 1 game; 15 runs 1 game; 14 runs - 1 game; 12 runs - 3 games; 11 runs - 4 games;
                              10 runs - 5 games; 9 runs - 7 games; 8 runs - 3 games; 7 runs - 6 games; 6 runs - 8 games; 5 runs - 10 games;
                              4 runs - 3 games; 3 runs - 15 games; 2 runs - 13 games; 1 run - 16 games --- TOTAL 97 games including a tie-breaker
                              game

                              SR - 14 runs - 1 game; 13 runs - 1 game; 12 runs - 1 game; 11 runs - 1 game; 10 runs - 2 games; 6 runs - 6 games;
                              5 runs - 4 games; 4 runs - 6 games; 3 runs - 6 games; 2 runs - 7 games; 1 run - 13 games --- TOTAL 48 games

                              CR - 8 runs - 2 games; 6 runs - 1 game; 5 runs - 1 game; 4 runs - 1 game; 3 runs - 2 games; 2 runs - 3 games;
                              1 run - 2 games --- TOTAL 12 games

                              AVERAGE MARGIN OF VICTORY (MOV) BY ROUND

                              As play moves from QR to FR to SR to CR, the margin of victory moves down, meaning that games are closer in the FR than in the QR, closer in the SR than in the FR, and closer in the CR than in the SR.

                              QR - MOV 311 runs / 48 games = 6.5 runs / game

                              FR - MOV 518 runs / 97 games = 5.3 runs / game

                              SR - MOV 195 runs / 48 games = 4.1 runs / game

                              CR - MOV 45 runs / 12 games = 3.8 runs / game

                              OVERALL - MOV 1069 runs / 205 games = 5.2 runs / game

                              MARGIN OF VICTORY (MOV) BY YEAR

                              HIGH MOV IS MORE UNEQUITABLE; LOW MOV IS MORE EQUITABLE

                              2006 WBC

                              202 runs / 39 games = 5.2 runs / game

                              2009 WBC

                              223 runs / 39 games = 5.7 runs / game

                              2012 WBCQ

                              171 runs / 24 games = 7.1 runs / game

                              2013 WBC

                              158 runs / 39 games = 4.1 runs / game

                              2016 WBCQ

                              142 runs / 24 games = 5.9 runs / game

                              2017 WBC

                              173 runs / 40 games = 4.3 runs / game

                              OVERALL

                              1069 runs / 205 games = 5.2 runs / game

                              PROGRESS IS BEING MADE TOWARDS MORE EQUITABLE BRACKETING

                              The bracketing experts at MLB are doing a good job of making the Classic more equitable. 14-0 blowout games are no fun for fans and players, and not good for the Classic. 4-3 cliffhanger games are fun for fans and players, and good for the Classic.

                              As can be seen above in the analysis by Rounds, the QR in 2012 and the QR in 2016 have the highest MOV at 7.1 and 5.9 respectively. However, the Steering Committee made progress in bracketing the 2016 QR with a MOV of 5.9, significantly more equitable than the 2012 QR with a MOV of 7.1. Hopefully the Steering Committee will make similar progress when bracketing the 2020 WBCQ.

                              Similarly, it can be seen that the Steering Committee has made progress in making the 2013 WBC (MOV of 4.1) and the 2017 WBC (MOV of 4.3) more equitable than the earlier 2006 WBC (MOV of 5.2) and 2009 WBC (MOV of 5.7). Hopefully, the Steering Committee will make similar progress when bracketing the 2021 WBC.

                              Here are the number of blowout games, MOV of ten or more runs: WBCQ 2012 eight and 2016 seven; WBC 2006 six, 2009 seven, 2013 four, and 2017 five. And here are the number of cliffhangers, MOV of one or two runs: WBCQ 2012 five and 2016 eight; WBC 2006 15, 2009 11, 2013 12, 2017 15. As can be seen, the QR has more unequitable blowout games than the FR/SR/CR, and the QR has less equitable cliffhanger games than the FR/SR/CR.

                              MARGIN OF VICTORY (MOV) BY RUNS

                              17 RUNS MARGIN OF VICTORY

                              17 runs - 11,975 fans Scottsdale FR 2006 US 17 South Africa 0 in 5 innings

                              16 RUNS

                              16 runs - 15,869 fans Tokyo FR 2006 Japan 18 China 2 in 8 innings
                              16 runs - 10,911 fans New Taipei City QR 2012 Taiwan 16 Philippines 0 in 7 innings

                              15 RUNS

                              15 runs - 16,718 fans Mexico City FR 2009 Mexico 16 Australia 1 in 6 innings
                              15 runs - 3019 fans Regensburg QR 2012 Germany 16 Czech 1 in 6 innings
                              15 runs - 1452 fans Regensburg QR 2012 Germany 16 England 1 in 7 innings

                              14 RUNS

                              14 runs - 12,571 fans Tokyo FR 2009 South Korea 14 China 0 in 7 innings
                              14 runs - 12,884 fans Tokyo SR 2013 Cuba 14 Taiwan 0 in 7 innings
                              14 runs - 1359 fans Brooklyn QR 2016 England 14 Pakistan 0 in 7 innings

                              13 RUNS

                              13 runs - 40,680 fans Tokyo SR 2017 Netherlands 14 Cuba 1 in 7 innings

                              12 RUNS

                              12 runs - 45,640 fans Tokyo FR 2009 Japan 14 South Korea 2 in 7 innings
                              12 runs - 20,149 fans Mexico City FR 2009 Cuba 16 Mexico 4 in 7 innings
                              12 runs - 3123 fans Fukuoka FR 2013 Cuba 12 China 0 in 7 innings
                              12 runs - 37,745 fans Tokyo SR 2013 Japan 16 Netherlands 4 in 7 innings
                              12 runs - 2187 fans Mexicali QR 2016 Czech 15 Germany 3 in 8 innings

                              11 RUNS

                              11 runs - 31,047 fans Tokyo FR 2006 Japan 14 Taiwan 3 in 7 innings
                              11 runs - 10,311 fans Mexico City FR 2009 Mexico 14 South Africa 3
                              11 runs - 12,715 fans Mexicali QR 2016 Mexico 11 Nicaragua 0 in 7 innings
                              11 runs - 16,521 fans Mexicali QR 2016 Mexico 12 Nicaragua 1 in 7 innings
                              11 runs - 14,806 fans Zapopan FR 2017 Puerto Rico 11 Venezuela 0 in 7 innings
                              11 runs - 3013 fans Tokyo FR 2017 Australia 11 China 0 in 8 innings
                              11 runs - 20,778 fans San Diego SR 2017 Puerto Rico 13 Venezuela 2

                              10 RUNS

                              10 runs - 6337 fans San Juan FR 2006 Netherlands 10 Panama 0 in 7 innings no hitter
                              10 runs - 19,736 fans San Juan FR 2006 Puerto Rico 12 Cuba 2 in 7 innings
                              10 runs - 8099 fans Lake Buena Vista FR 2006 Italy 10 Australia 0 in 7 innings
                              10 runs - 20,821 fans Mexico City FR 2009 Australia 17 Mexico 7 in 8 innings
                              10 runs - 30,595 fans Miami Gardens SR 2009 Puerto Rico 11 US 1 in 7 innings
                              10 runs - 1183 fans Jupiter QR 2012 Spain 13 South Africa 3 in the rain
                              10 runs - 3704 fans Regensburg QR 2012 Canada 11 England 1 in 7 innings
                              10 runs - 2720 fans Regensburg QR 2012 Canada 11 Germany 1 in 8 innings
                              10 runs - 9788 fans New Taipei City QR 2012 Taiwan 10 New Zealand 0 in 7 innings
                              10 runs - 1168 fans New Taipei City QR 2012 New Zealand 12 Thailand 2 in 8 innings
                              10 runs - 5140 fans moved from Scottsdale to Phoenix on account of rain FR 2013 Italy 14 Canada 4 in 8 innings
                              10 runs - 1442 fans Blacktown QR 2016 Australia 11 Philippines 1 in 7 innings
                              10 runs - 623 fans Blacktown QR 2016 New Zealand 17 Philippines 7 in 8 innings
                              10 runs - 1210 fans Brooklyn QR 2016 Brasil 10 Pakistan 0 in 7 innings
                              10 runs - 5017 fans Tokyo SR 2017 Netherlands 12 Israel 2 in 8 innings

                              NINE RUNS

                              9 runs - 3925 fans Tokyo FR 2006 South Korea 10 China 1
                              9 runs - 4577 fans Tokyo FR 2006 Taiwan 12 China 3
                              9 runs - 7657 fans San Juan FR 2006 Cuba 11 Netherlands 2
                              9 runs - 12,704 fans Tokyo FR 2009 South Korea 9 Taiwan 0
                              9 runs - 13,094 fans Toronto FR 2009 US 15 Venezuela 6
                              9 runs - 10,450 fans Toronto FR 2009 Venezuela 10 Italy 1
                              9 runs - 9221 fans San Juan FR 2009 Dominicana 9 Panama 0
                              9 runs - 4085 fans Regensburg QR 2012 Canada 16 Germany 7
                              9 runs - 8163 fans New Taipei City QR 2012 Taiwan 9 New Zealand 0 in the rain

                              EIGHT RUNS

                              8 runs - 15,744 Phoenix FR 2006 Mexico 9 Canada 1
                              8 runs - 43,378 fans Los Angeles CR 2009 South Korea 10 Venezuela 2
                              8 runs - 975 fans Jupiter QR 2012 Spain 8 France 0
                              8 runs - 2016 fans Brooklyn QR 2016 Israel 9 England 1
                              8 runs - 3287 fans Seoul FR 2017 Israel 15 Taiwan 7
                              8 runs - 22,303 fans Miami FR 2017 US 8 Canada 0
                              8 runs - 51,565 fans Los Angeles CR 2017 US 8 Puerto Rico 0

                              SEVEN RUNS

                              7 runs - 11,270 fans Mexico City FR 2009 Cuba 8 South Africa 1
                              7 runs - 13,272 fans Toronto FR 2009 Venezuela 7 Italy 0
                              7 runs - 17,348 fans San Juan FR 2009 Puerto Rico 7 Panama 0
                              7 runs - 1806 fans Regensburg QR 2012 England 12 Czech 5 in the rain
                              7 runs - 3631 fans Panama City QR 2012 Colombia 8 Nicaragua 1
                              7 runs - 19,581 fans Phoenix FR 2013 Canada 10 Mexico 3
                              7 runs - 1367 fans Blacktown QR 2016 South Africa 9 New Zealand 2
                              7 runs - 1766 fans Blacktown QR 2016 Australia 12 South Africa 5
                              7 runs - 2145 fans Panama City QR 2016 Colombia 9 Spain 2
                              7 runs - 11,744 fans Panama City QR 2016 Panama 9 France 2
                              7 runs - 27,388 fans Miami FR 2017 Dominicana 9 Canada 2
                              7 runs - 36,952 fans Miami FR 2017 Dominicana 10 Colombia 3 in 10 innings

                              SIX RUNS

                              6 runs - 7937 fans Scottsdale FR 2006 Mexico 10 South Africa 4
                              6 runs - 10,6454 fans Lake Buena Vista FR 2006 Dominicana 11 Venezuela 5
                              6 runs - 10,101 fans Lake Buena Vista FR 2006 Venezuela 6 Italy 0
                              6 runs - 19,692 fans San Juan SR 2006 Puerto Rico 7 Dominicana 1
                              6 runs - 19,400 fans San Juan SR 2006 Venezuela 6 Puerto Rico 0
                              6 runs - 42,639 fans San Diego CR 2006 Japan 6 South Korea 0 in the rain
                              6 runs - 20,179 fans San Diego SR 2009 Japan 6 Cuba 0
                              6 runs - 22,337 fans San Diego SR 2009 South Korea 8 Mexico 2
                              6 runs - 11,059 fans Miami Gardens SR 2009 US 9 Netherlands 3
                              6 runs - 2952 fans Panama City QR 2012 Brasil 7 Colombia 1
                              6 runs - 923 fans New Taipei City QR 2012 Philippines 8 Thailand 2
                              6 runs - 1481 fans Taichung FR 2013 South Korea 6 Australia 0
                              6 runs - 15,069 fans San Juan FR 2013 Dominicana 9 Venezuela 3 in the rain
                              6 runs - 32,872 fans Miami SR 2013 US 7 Puerto Rico 1
                              6 runs - 529 fans Blacktown QR 2016 South Africa 7 New Zealand 1
                              6 runs - 11,924 fans Zapopan FR 2017 Puerto Rico 9 Italy 3
                              6 runs - 39,102 fans Tokyo FR 2017 Cuba 6 China 0
                              6 runs - 40,053 fans Tokyo FR 2017 Japan 7 China 1

                              FIVE RUNS

                              5 runs - 15,570 fans San Juan FR 2006 Puerto Rico 8 Netherlands 3
                              5 runs - 9949 fans Lake Buena Vista FR 2006 Dominicana 8 Italy 3
                              5 runs - 16,591 fans Anaheim SR 2006 Japan 6 Mexico 1
                              5 runs - 13,697 fans San Juan SR 2006 Cuba 7 Venezuela 2
                              5 runs - 19,501 fans San Juan FR 2009 Puerto Rico 5 Netherlands 0
                              5 runs - 9774 fans San Diego SR 2009 Japan 5 Cuba 0 in the rain
                              5 runs - 43,630 fans Los Angeles CR 2009 Japan 9 US 4 in the rain
                              5 runs - 1085 fans Taichung FR 2013 Netherlands 5 South Korea 0
                              5 runs - 20,035 fans Taichung FR 2013 Taiwan 8 Netherlands 3
                              5 runs - 13,290 fans San Juan FR 2013 Venezuela 11 Spain 6
                              5 runs - 22,425 fans Phoenix FR 2013 US 9 Canada 4
                              5 runs - 15,647 fans Zapopan FR 2017 Puerto Rico 9 Mexico 4
                              5 runs - 15,184 fans Seoul FR 2017 Netherlands 5 South Korea 0
                              5 runs - 44,908 fans Tokyo FR 2017 Japan 11 Cuba 6
                              5 runs - 43,179 fans Tokyo SR 2017 Japan 8 Israel 3

                              FOUR RUNS

                              4 runs - 21,288 fans Anaheim SR 2006 South Korea 7 US 3
                              4 runs - 6594 fans San Juan SR 2006 Dominicana 7 Cuba 3
                              4 runs - 42,696 fans San Diego CR 2006 Japan 10 Cuba 6 in the rain
                              4 runs - 43,428 fans Tokyo FR 2009 Japan 4 China 0
                              4 runs - 12,411 fans Toronto FR 2009 Italy 6 Canada 2
                              4 runs - 14,832 fans San Diego SR 2009 Japan 6 South Korea 2
                              4 runs - 16,575 fans Miami Gardens SR 2009 Venezuela 10 US 6 in the rain
                              4 runs - 1581 fans Jupiter QR 2012 Israel 7 South Africa 3
                              4 runs - 8531 fans Panama City QR 2012 Panama 6 Nicaragua 2
                              4 runs - 503 fans New Taipei City QR 2012 New Zealand 10 Philippines 6 in the rain
                              4 runs - 19,303 fans Phoenix FR 2013 US 6 Italy 2
                              4 runs - 38,588 fans Tokyo SR 2013 Netherlands 6 Cuba 2
                              4 runs - 30,301 fans Tokyo SR 2013 Japan 10 Netherlands 6

                              THREE RUNS

                              3 runs - 5829 fans Scottsdale FR 2006 Canada 11 South Africa 8
                              3 runs - 12,890 fans Tokyo FR 2009 China 4 Taiwan 1
                              3 runs - 9329 fans San Diego SR 2009 Cuba 7 Mexico 4 in the rain
                              3 runs - 15,332 fans San Diego SR 2009 South Korea 4 Japan 1
                              3 runs - 922 fans Jupiter QR 2012 South Africa 5 France 2 in 11 innings in the rain
                              3 runs - 4003 fans Fukuoka FR 2013 Cuba 5 Brasil 2
                              3 runs - 13,891 fans Fukuoka FR 2013 Japan 5 China 2
                              3 runs - 3110 fans Fukuoka FR 2013 China 5 Brasil 2
                              3 runs - 26,860 fans Fukuoka FR 2013 Cuba 6 Japan 3
                              3 runs - 20,035 fans Taichung FR 2013 Taiwan 4 Australia 1
                              3 runs - 1113 fans Taichung FR 2013 Netherlands 4 Australia 1
                              3 runs - 14,974 fans San Juan FR 2013 Puerto Rico 3 Spain 0
                              3 runs - 13,412 fans San Juan FR 2013 Dominicana 6 Spain 3
                              3 runs - 18,741 fans San Juan FR 2013 Puerto Rico 6 Venezuela 3
                              3 runs - 44,256 fans Phoenix FR 2013 Mexico 5 US 2
                              3 runs - 27,527 fans San Francisco CR 2013 Dominicana 4 Netherlands 1 in the fog and the rain
                              3 runs - 35,703 fans San Francisco CR 2013 Dominicana 3 Puerto Rico 0 in the fog and the rain
                              3 runs - 2237 fans Blacktown QR 2016 Australia 4 South Africa 1
                              3 runs - 12,559 fans Panama City QR 2016 Colombia 6 Panama 3
                              3 runs - 2016 fans Panama City QR 2016 Panama 7 France 4
                              3 runs - 3919 fans Brooklyn QR 2016 Israel 5 England 2
                              3 runs - 12,000 fans Seoul FR 2017 South Korea 11 Taiwan 8
                              3 runs - 41,408 fans Tokyo FR 2017 Japan 4 Australia 1
                              3 runs - 17,209 fans Miami FR 2017 Colombia 4 Canada 1
                              3 runs - 43,153 fans Tokyo SR 2017 Israel 4 Cuba 1
                              3 runs - 32,717 fans Tokyo SR 2017 Japan 8 Cuba 5
                              3 runs - 16,390 fans San Diego SR 2017 Dominicana 3 Venezuela 0
                              3 runs - 43,002 fans San Diego SR 2017 US 6 Dominicana 3

                              TWO RUNS

                              2 runs - 5193 fans Tokyo FR 2006 South Korea 2 Taiwan 0
                              2 runs - 32,727 fans Phoenix FR 2006 US 2 Mexico 0
                              2 runs - 16,993 fans Phoenix FR 2006 Canada 8 US 6
                              2 runs - 6129 fans San Juan FR 2006 Cuba 8 Panama 6 in 11 innings
                              2 runs - 10,111 fans Lake Buena Vista FR 2006 Venezuela 2 Australia 0
                              2 runs - 11,083 fans Lake Buena Vista FR 2006 Dominicana 6 Australia 4
                              2 runs - 41,268 fans San Diego CR 2006 Cuba 3 Dominicana 1
                              2 runs - 12,358 fans Toronto FR 2009 Venezuela 5 US 3
                              2 runs - 19,479 fans San Juan FR 2009 Puerto Rico 3 Netherlands 1
                              2 runs - 17,345 fans Miami Gardens SR 2009 Venezuela 3 Netherlands 1
                              2 runs - 25,599 fans Miami Gardens SR 2009 Venezuela 2 Puerto Rico 0
                              2 runs - 54,846 fans Los Angeles CR 2009 Japan 5 South Korea 3 in 10 innings
                              2 runs - 814 fans Jupiter QR 2012 Israel 4 Spain 2
                              2 runs - 4463 fans Jupiter QR 2012 Spain 9 Israel 7 in 10 innings
                              2 runs - 5277 fans Panama City QR 2012 Panama 9 Colombia 7
                              2 runs - 28,181 fans Fukuoka FR 2013 Japan 5 Brasil 3
                              2 runs - 19,413 fans San Juan FR 2013 Dominicana 4 Puerto Rico 2
                              2 runs - 34,366 fans Miami SR 2013 Dominicana 3 US 1
                              2 runs - 25,846 fans Miami SR 2013 Dominicana 2 Puerto Rico 0
                              2 runs - 33,683 fans San Francisco CR 2013 Puerto Rico 3 Japan 1 in the fog and the rain
                              2 runs - 852 fans Panama City QR 2016 France 5 Spain 3
                              2 runs - 15,489 fans Zapopan FR 2016 Mexico 11 Venezuela 9
                              2 runs - 2739 fans Seoul FR 2017 Israel 4 Netherlands 2
                              2 runs - 37,446 fans Miami FR 2017 Dominicana 7 US 5
                              2 runs - 44,326 fans Tokyo SR 2017 Japan 8 Netherlands 6 in 11 innings
                              2 runs - 16,637 fans San Diego SR 2017 Puerto Rico 3 Dominicana 1
                              2 runs - 16,635 fans San Diego SR 2017 US 4 Venezuela 2

                              ONE RUN

                              1 run - 40,353 fans Tokyo FR 2006 South Korea 3 Japan 2
                              1 run - 19,043 fans San Juan FR 2006 Puerto Rico 2 Panama 1
                              1 run - 32,896 fans Anaheim SR 2006 US 4 Japan 3
                              1 run - 42,979 fans Anaheim SR 2006 South Korea 2 Mexico 1
                              1 run - 39,679 fans Anaheim SR 2006 South Korea 2 Japan 1
                              1 run - 38,284 fans Anaheim SR 2006 Mexico 2 US 1
                              1 run - 13,007 fans San Juan SR 2006 Dominicana 2 Venezuela 1
                              1 run - 19,773 fans San Juan SR 2006 Cuba 4 Puerto Rico 3
                              1 run - 42,879 fans Tokyo FR 2009 South Korea 1 Japan 0
                              1 run - 13,396 fans Mexico City FR 2009 Cuba 5 Australia 4
                              1 run - 42,314 fans Toronto FR 2009 US 6 Canada 5
                              1 run - 9335 fans San Juan FR 2009 Netherlands 3 Dominicana 2
                              1 run - 11,814 fans San Juan FR 2009 Netherlands 2 Dominicana 1 in 11 innings
                              1 run - 13,224 fans Miami Gardens SR 2009 US 6 Puerto Rico 5
                              1 run - 13,728 fans Panama City QR 2012 Brasil 3 Panama 2
                              1 run - 10,368 fans Panama City QR 2012 Brasil 1 Panama 0
                              1 run - 23,431 fans Taichung FR 2013 South Korea 3 Taiwan 2
                              1 run - 4478 fans Scottsdale FR 2013 Italy 6 Mexico 5
                              1 run - 43,527 fans Tokyo SR 2013 Japan 4 Taiwan 3 in 10 innings
                              1 run - 7613 fans Tokyo SR 2013 Netherlands 7 Cuba 6
                              1 run - 14,482 fans Miami SR 2013 Dominicana 5 Italy 4
                              1 run - 25,787 fans Miami SR 2013 Puerto Rico 4 Italy 3
                              1 run - 19,762 fans Miami SR 2013 Puerto Rico 4 US 3
                              1 run - 3773 fans Mexicali QR 2016 Nicaragua 5 Germany 4 in 10 innings
                              1 run - 14,711 fans Mexicali QR 2016 Mexico 2 Czech 1
                              1 run - 6558 fans Mexicali QR 2016 Nicaragua 7 Czech 6
                              1 run - 6204 fans Panama City QR 2016 Colombia 2 Panama 1
                              1 run - 1862 fans Brooklyn QR 2016 Israel 1 Brasil 0
                              1 run - 1480 fans Brooklyn QR 2016 England 4 Brasil 3
                              1 run - 14,296 fans Zapopan FR 2017 Italy 10 Mexico 9
                              1 run - 12,187 fans Zapopan FR 2017 Venezuela 11 Italy 10
                              1 run - 1783 fans Zapopan FR 2017 Venezuela 4 Italy 3 seventh game tie-breaker
                              1 run - 15,470 fans Seoul FR 2017 Israel 2 South Korea 1
                              1 run - 3606 fans Seoul FR 2017 Netherlands 6 Taiwan 5
                              1 run - 38,050 fans Tokyo FR 2017 Cuba 4 Australia 3
                              1 run - 22,580 fans Miami FR 2017 US 3 Colombia 2
                              1 run - 32,463 fans San Diego SR 2017 Puerto Rico 6 US 5
                              1 run - 24,865 fans Los Angeles CR 2017 Puerto Rico 4 Netherlands 3
                              1 run - 33,462 fans Los Angeles CR 2017 US 2 Japan 1
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                              • UPSETS BY YEAR, GAME, AND NATION

                                What sports fan does not enjoy an upset victory over a heavy favorite ? Buster Douglas 42-1 over Mike Tyson ? Andy Ruiz Jr. 13-1 over Anthony Joshua ? Mike Bradley 7-2 over Manny Pacquiao ? The last place Orioles over the first place Yankees (except for Yankee fans) ? Here is the story of upsets in the WBC, using an analysis of Margin of Victory (MOV) vs. WBSC Rank and Nation.

                                First we need to define an Upset. We will define Upset to be a victory over a team five or more Ranks above it in the rankings. That means that nations ranked #1 through # 5, by definition, cannot have any Upset victories. Upsets are exciting because they are unexpected.

                                Second, when rankings are less precise, there are more Upsets. Third, as we approach the end of the tournament, we expect fewer upsets since the majority of the lower ranked teams will have been eliminated. Fourth, since there is greater disparity in team rankings in the Qualifier Round, we should expect more upsets in the Qualifiers. Fifth, the lower ranked teams will have more upset wins because they have more opportunity to play against opponents five or more ranking spots above them in the rankings. For example, in 2016-17, # 41 Israel played all of its games against opponents five or more seeds above them. The first five seeds, with Ranking # 1 through # 5, Japan, US, South Korea, Taiwan, and Cuba in the 2017 WBC, had no mathematical possibility to record an upset. And the # 6 seed has only one chance to record an upset, vs. # 1.

                                It turns out that between a quarter and a third of the games are upsets, or 29 % overall. The percentage of upsets has been one-third or more in 2012, 2016, and 2017; and less than one-fourth in 2009 and 2013. The highest number of upsets is 14 in 2017, and the lowest number is 8 in 2013 and 2016.

                                YEAR / UPSETS / GAMES / UPSETS PER GAME

                                2006 / 11 / 39 / 0.28
                                2009 / 9 / 39 / 0.23
                                2012 / 9 / 24 / 0.38
                                2013 / 8 / 39 / 0.21
                                2016 / 8 / 24 / 0.33
                                2017 / 14 / 40 / 0.35
                                ------------------------------
                                TOTAL / 59 / 205 / 0.29

                                Puerto Rico with 12 upset wins; Dominicana and Israel with 9; have a wide lead in their number of upset wins.

                                NATION / 2006 / 2009 / 2012 / 2013 / 2016 / 2017 ///// TOTAL

                                Puerto Rico has the most upsets, Dominicana and Israel come in second

                                Puerto Rico / 3 / 3 / - / 2 / - / 4 ///// 12
                                Dominicana / 2 / 1 / - / 3 / - / 3 ///// 9
                                Israel / - / - / 2 / - / 3 / 4 ///// 9
                                Venezuela / 2 / 3 / - / - / - / - ///// 5
                                Netherlands / - / - / - / 2 / - / 2 ///// 4
                                Brasil / - / - / 3 / - / - / - ///// 3
                                Mexico / 2 / - / - / 1 / - / - ///// 3
                                South Africa / - / - / - / - / 2 / - ///// 2
                                England / - / - / - / - / 2 / - ///// 2
                                Colombia / - / - / 1 / - / - / 1 ///// 2
                                New Zealand / - / - / 2 / - / - / - ///// 2
                                Italy / 1 / 1 / - / - / - / - ///// 2
                                France / - / - / - / - / 1 / - ///// 1
                                Philippines / - / - / 1 / - / - / - ///// 1
                                US / 1 / - / - / - / - / - ///// 1
                                China / - / 1 / - / - / - / - ///// 1

                                TOTAL / 11 / 9 / 9 / 8 / 8 / 14 ///// 59

                                NATIONS / UPSET WINS

                                Nations with three or more Upsets in one Classic

                                2006 - three - Puerto Rico
                                2009 - three - Puerto Rico
                                2012 - three - Brasil
                                2013 - three - Dominicana
                                2016 - three - Israel
                                2017 - four - Israel
                                2017 - four - Puerto Rico
                                2017 - three - Dominicana

                                ISRAEL HAS SEVEN UPSETS IN 2016-17, IT HAS NINE UPSETS IN 2012-17, ALL NINE OF ITS WBC WINS ARE UPSETS

                                2006 WBC

                                # 11 Puerto Rico 3 upset wins ----- # 11 Puerto Rico 2 # 5 Panama 1; # 11 Puerto Rico 8 # 3 Netherlands 3; # 11 Puerto Rico 12 # 1 Cuba

                                Why did Puerto Rico do so well? They were probably helped along by roaring sellout home crowds of 19,000 + in all these games.

                                # 21 Dominicana 2 upset wins ----- # 21 Dominicana 6 # 6 Australia 4; # 21 Dominicana 7 # 1 Cuba 3.

                                # 21 Dominicana's victory over # 1 Cuba is the only ultimate upset in WBC history ----- the lowest ranked team in the tournament defeating the highest ranked team.

                                # 21 Mexico 2 upset wins ----- # 21 Mexico 9 # 7 Canada 1; # 21 Mexico 2 # 9 US 1.

                                # 21 Venezuela 2 upset wins ----- # 21 Venezuela 2 # 6 Australia 0; # 21 Venezuela 6 # 11 Puerto Rico 0.

                                # 9 US one upset win ----- # 9 US 4 # 2 Japan 3.

                                # 19 Italy one upset win ----- # 19 Italy 10 # 6 Australia 0.

                                TOTAL = 11 upsets / 39 games = 0.28 upsets per game, more than a quarter

                                2009 WBC

                                # 11 Puerto Rico 3 upset wins ----- # 11 Puerto Rico 3 # 6 Netherlands 1; # 11 Puerto Rico 5 # 6 Netherlands 0; # 11 Puerto Rico 11 # 2 US 1.

                                There was a strange occurrence during Pool D First Round in San Juan. Two # 6 Netherlands one-run victories over # 17 Dominicana were widely reported in the press as being upsets. They were not upsets. Two # 11 Puerto Rico victories over # 6 Netherlands were never mentioned in the press as being upsets. But they WERE upsets.

                                # 14 Venezuela 3 upset wins ----- # 14 Venezuela 5 # 2 US 3; # 14 Venezuela 3 # 6 Netherlands 1; # 14 Venezuela 10 # 2 US 6.

                                The US was triple-punched out of the tournament with three upset victories ----- twice by Venezuela and once by Puerto Rico.

                                # 13 Italy one upset win ----- # 13 Italy 6 # 7 Canada 2.

                                # 15 China one upset win ----- # 15 China 4 # 5 Taiwan 1.

                                China's victory over Taiwan is the biggest geopolitical event in the history of the WBC.

                                # 17 Dominicana one upset win ----- # 17 Dominicana 9 # 9 Panama 0.

                                TOTAL = 9 upsets / 39 games = 0.23 upsets per game, less than a quarter

                                2012 WBCQ

                                # 33 Brasil 3 upset wins ----- # 33 Brasil 3 # 15 Panama 2; # 33 Brasil 7 # 26 Colombia 1; # 33 Brasil 1 # 15 Panama 0.

                                Brasil was the Cinderella team of the 2012 Qualifier, winning three straight games to advance to the First Round.

                                # 48 Israel 2 upset wins ----- # 48 Israel 7 # 35 South Africa 3; # 48 Israel 4 # 18 Spain 2.

                                Ranked at # 48, lowest ranked in their pool, Israel surprisingly finished second out of four nations.

                                Unranked New Zealand 2 upset wins ----- Unranked New Zealand 12 # 22 Thailand 2; Unranked New Zealand 10 # 28 Philippines 6.

                                Unranked, and therefore lowest ranked in their pool, New Zealand also surprisingly finished second out of four nations.

                                # 26 Colombia one upset win ----- # 26 Colombia 8 # 14 Nicaragua 1.

                                # 28 Philippines one upset win ----- # 28 Philippines 8 # 22 Thailand 2

                                TOTAL = 9 upsets / 24 games = 0.38 upsets per game, more than a third

                                2013 WBC

                                # 13 Dominicana 3 upset wins ----- # 13 Dominicana 9 # 8 Venezuela 3; # 13 Dominicana 3 # 2 US 1; # 13 Dominicana 4 # 7 Netherlands 1.

                                # 13 Dominicana rolled to an undefeated 8 Wins 0 Losses record, including these three upset wins. They are the only undefeated Champion in WBC history, and they are also the lowest ranked Champion. They won in the only Championship Round to see all three games played in the rain.

                                # 7 Netherlands 2 upset wins ----- # 7 Netherlands 6 # 1 Cuba 2; # 7 Netherlands 7 # 1 Cuba 6.

                                Netherlands singlehandedly knocked # 1 Cuba out of the tournament. These were the only losses for Cuba.

                                # 12 Puerto Rico 2 upset wins ----- # 12 Puerto Rico 4 # 2 US 3; # 12 Puerto Rico 3 # 3 Japan 1.

                                # 11 Mexico one upset win ----- # 11 Mexico 5 # 2 US 2.

                                # 2 US was triplepunched out of the tournament by upsets from Puerto Rico, Mexico, and Dominicana.

                                TOTAL = 8 upsets / 39 games = 0.21 upsets per game, less than a quarter

                                2016 WBCQ

                                # 43 Israel 3 upset wins ----- # 43 Israel 5 # 33 England 2; # 43 Israel 1 # 14 Brasil 0; # 43 Israel 9 # 33 England 1.

                                As Brasil had been the Cinderella team in the 2012 Qualifier, Israel took the role of Cinderella team in the 2016 Qualifier. The WBC had been widely criticized for including # 43 Israel in the tournament supposedly for the top 28 nations in the world. But they were vindicated when Israel won three straight upsets, and would later win three more straight upsets in the 2017 First Round.

                                # 40 South Africa 2 upset wins ----- # 40 South Africa 7 # 30 New Zealand 1; # 40 South Africa 9 # 30 New Zealand 2.

                                # 33 England 2 upset wins ----- # 33 England 14 # 23 Pakistan 0; # 33 England 4 # 14 Brasil 3.

                                # 26 France one upset win ----- # 26 France 5 # 21 Spain 3.

                                TOTAL = 8 upsets / 24 games = 0.33 upsets per game, exactly a third

                                2017 WBC

                                # 41 Israel 4 upset wins ----- # 41 Israel 2 # 3 South Korea 1; # 41 Israel 15 # 4 Taiwan 7; # 41 Israel 4 # 9 Netherlands 2; # 41 Israel 4 # 5 Cuba 1.

                                Israel, ranked at # 41 were undoubtedly the Cinderella team in WBC history. They won three consecutive upsets in the Qualifier Round, then steamrollered to win another three consecutive upsets in their First Round, and won a seventh upset in the first game of their Second Round, before running out of gas and losing their last two games in the Second Round. By the time they were done, # 41 seed Israel had defeated the #3, # 4, # 5, # 9, and # 14 seeds !

                                # 12 Puerto Rico 4 upset wins ----- # 12 Puerto Rico 11 # 7 Venezuela 0; # 12 Puerto Rico 9 # 6 Mexico 4; # 12 Puerto Rico 6 # 2 US 5; # 12 Puerto Rico 13 # 7 Venezuela 2.

                                Puerto RIco's string of four upset wins in one tournament is only equaled by Israel in the same year. By the time they were done, # 12 seed Puerto Rico had defeated the # 2, # 6, and # 7 (twice) seeds.

                                # 13 Dominicana 3 upset wins ----- # 13 Dominicana 9 # 8 Canada 2; # 13 Dominicana 7 # 2 US 5; # 13 Dominicana 3 # 7 Venezuela 0.

                                # 9 Netherlands 2 upset wins ----- # 9 Netherlands 5 # 3 South Korea 0; # 9 Netherlands 6 # 4 Taiwan 5.

                                # 19 Colombia one upset win ----- # 19 Colombia 4 # 8 Canada 1.

                                TOTAL = 14 upsets / 40 games = 0.35 upsets per game, more than a third
                                Last edited by PLowry; 09-26-2019, 04:51 PM.

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