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2021 World Baseball Classic

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  • #31
    Improvement ideas for the next WBC

    The 2017 WBC has concluded and many baseball journalists are pitching the idea of holding the WBC semifinals during All-Star week. The idea sounds possible in theory, but pitchers aren’t used for more than a couple of innings in the ASG, much less pitch a couple of competitive games outside of their MLB club’s control. The idea doesn’t even consider that many other professional leagues around the world would have to plan their All-Star Game & festivities to coincide with MLB’s. Just about the only thing that tournament organizers and journalists seem to agree on, is that there is no perfect time to hold the WBC. Outside of the timing of the event, here are some ways to improve the WBC:

    1) Announce hosts years in advance: As flawed as FIFA and the IOC are, one of the few things they and many other sporting event organizers do correctly is that they announce hosts years in advance. All of the 2017 WBC hosts were announced about six months away from the first pitch. This is not good enough for baseball’s marquee international event. Especially, when attendances for games not involving the host nation are dismal. It would help those attendances if people had years to prepare for their trip; instead of a few months. This would also help the next suggestion…

    2) Have a region host the whole event: Having Pools hosted in many different countries limits the possibilities of tournament formats, interrupts the flow of the event and doesn’t maximize the potential for boosting attendance. Given enough time to make travel arrangements, people could visit just about anywhere. Based on the latest attendance, only a few regions have the stadiums to surpass those numbers in the month of March. A singular region could be the focal point of the baseball universe’s attention.

    3) Mix up the groups without using a selection committee: The previous two suggestions would enable Pools to be mixed up a little more. The following team pairings have been made in all WBC editions: Japan/China, USA/Canada and South Korea/Taiwan. The following are the most common parings in the second round of the WBC: Japan/Cuba, Puerto Rico/Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico/Venezuela. Part of what makes the FIFA World Cup so great are all of the possibilities for match-ups in contrasting styles. This is another thing that FIFA does correctly; it arranges team by quality and geography then randomly selects the groups for their World Cup. The use of a selection committee makes WBC Pools more predictable and therefore a little less interesting.

    4) Limit the use of Passport players: First let’s define what a Passport player is, they are players that are only eligible for a passport of the country they are to represent. The use of Passport players in the WBC makes it hard for some to take the tournament seriously. Some national teams rely more heavily on their use than others. Obviously, MLB has very relaxed player eligibility rules and this hurts national federations that don’t possess a seemingly endless supply of Passport players. MLB wants national teams to be as competitive as possible, but at what expense? The problem is that these players represent “their” country in the WBC, then go back home and never follow up promoting the game in the place they represented. This is not to say that a Passport player cannot evolve into a permanent resident player that promotes the game of baseball within the country he represented in the tournament. MLB needs to give national teams with more home grown talent some leverage, by limiting the use of Passport players; this will help develop and promote the game more than the current system.

    5) Incorporate the Robo Ump to call the strike zone: We got a small sample of what a bad home plate umpire can do in the last WBC tournament. National pride, Umpire Egos and perceived favoritism is a toxic mix, but the good news is that the technology exists to neutralize the potential for an ugly incident. With the next WBC in four years, MLB should be proactive and implement Robo Ump; there is more than enough time to fine tune the technology. Home plate umpires don’t need to be eliminated all-together, but take the strike zone out of their hands.

    6) Expand the amount of participating nations: Baseball is back in the Olympics for Tokyo 2020 and there are no guarantees that it will be on the program beyond that. MLB should seize the momentum of the currently finished WBC tournament and expand the qualifiers as much as possible. The worst eight teams from the last qualifiers aren’t that much better than the potential next eight teams to be invited.

    7) Find more broadcast partners: MLB Network is available in over 70 million U.S. homes, but it cannot cover all of the games simultaneously. A broadcast partnership would lighten the content load and allow access to a larger audience. MLB Network had exclusive WBC rights through 2017, so this could very well change going forward.

    8) Make Statcast go Metric: MLB is trying to globalize baseball, and Statcast is an amazing way to demonstrate and quantify how talented MLB players are. But the rest of the world may not quite appreciate what these numbers mean and they have no time to break out a conversion table. MLB should simplify things by showing all values in both Standard & Metric.

    9) Settle on a tie breaker system: Each edition of the WBC has had a different tie breaker system and none have been repeated. MLB needs to establish one tie breaker system and communicate it clearly to all national federations as well as answer all technical questions before every tournament.

    In the unlikely case MLB is considering moving the whole tournament to July, an outside the box idea is a Hybrid Split season format and consists of the first half of the season focusing primarily on divisional rivalries. Due to the odd number of teams in each league and all divisions; some non-divisional games will have to be played in the first half. Two of every three series each team plays should be against a division rival and all divisional games should be wrapped up by mid-season. At this point, all six divisional champions would be decided strictly by their divisional record and all non-divisional first half games would count towards the wildcard race. The remainder of the season would be used to determine the wildcards by a) total win-loss record or b) non-divisional win-loss record. In order to complete all divisional games by mid-season, the current amount of head to head divisional games would have to be reduced to 12 or 13 games; depending on how long MLB wants their seasons during World Baseball Classic years. To summarize, 6 of the 10 playoff teams would be determined by mid-season, the second half would contain the WBC break and would only decide the wildcard teams.

    We should be expecting for some changes to be made to the next World Baseball Classic, whether or not the changes improve the tournament is another question to be answered in 2021.
    Last edited by SouthwestAmAZins; 03-28-2017, 12:52 PM.

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    • #32
      Great post Southwest, here's some of my quick thoughts:

      -Yeah, I hate how late the hosts get announced, I think its a joke.

      -I've said the regional thing before as well. I've actually thought about regions too which could do it. You'd obviously need 4 stadiums to start, but I think any combination of Taiwan/Japan/Korea, Southern California, Florida/PR, etc could work.

      -I agree about the passport players, as a lot of them seem like guys who show up for a few days and never get involved after. I would limit it to maybe 7 guys like that, and after that you need to be a citizen of the country. I think one of the more embarrasing things for the WBC would be for a passport-heavy team to get far.

      -Some matchups are getting old, and I argued that I didnt think the pools were not that balanced.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by SouthwestAmAZins View Post
        My early WBCQ host predictions are Culiacan, New Taipei City, Panama & Vancouver
        I think Colombia should have a new stadium by then.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Richard View Post
          I think Colombia should have a new stadium by then.
          Colombia beat Canada so they don't need to qualify.

          If the WBC expanded to 20 teams any thoughts on the WBC including every continent? Africa has been missing the past 2.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by gianc006 View Post
            If the WBC expanded to 20 teams any thoughts on the WBC including every continent? Africa has been missing the past 2.
            Only if an African team qualifies for the main event; South Africa may qualify if they continue to improve on their 2016 form.

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            • #36
              Here are IMO, the possible 2020 WBCQ hosts in order of likelihood:
              • Taiwan: An experienced WBC host with many stadiums to choose from and due to its relegation, is very likely to be offered a chance to host.

              • Mexico: An experienced WBC host with many stadiums to choose from and due to its relegation, is very likely to be offered a chance to host. Security issues & the controversial 2017 tie-breaker result will only create the illusion of drama.

              • Panama: An experienced WBCQ host that could likely host if Canada or China pass on the opportunity.

              • Nicaragua: The new Denis Martinez Stadium should be completed this year and is MLB standards compliant; it is very likely that a hosting bid will submitted for this venue and they may just get it.

              • United States: The WBC Steering Committee has used U.S. hosts in the previous WBCQs with Jupiter & Brooklyn, so there is still a possibility that it will happen again.

              • Canada: Has several venues that could potentially host a WBCQ round, but they have passed on a previous opportunity to host. Perhaps, it’s that September is the only month of the year they can host or Toronto’s Stadium is too large to host a WBCQ.

              • China: Has never hosted a WBC event, but has the potential for their government to green light the construction of an adequate facility relatively quickly. Although, it is unlikely that will happen and also unlikely that they will host.

              • Germany: An experienced WBCQ host, but also passed on a previous opportunity. Due to their fourth place finish in 2016, the WBC Steering Committee may offer them the opportunity to host a Pre qualifier, but it is very unlikely that they will host a 2020 WBCQ.

              • Brazil, Spain, France, Great Britain, Czech Republic, South Africa, New Zealand, Pakistan & the Philippines: Some have hosted non-WBC events, but their venues are probably not considered MLB compliant, making it highly unlikely any of these countries would host in 2020.
              Last edited by SouthwestAmAZins; 04-07-2017, 10:27 PM.

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              • #37
                Madison Bumgarner didn't want to play in the WBC because he didn't want to risk injury and now he might be out for two months due a stupid dirt bike accident. Shame on him.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by SouthwestAmAZins View Post
                  Here are IMO, the possible 2020 WBCQ hosts in order of likelihood:
                  • Taiwan: An experienced WBC host with many stadiums to choose from and due to its relegation, is very likely to be offered a chance to host.

                  • Mexico: An experienced WBC host with many stadiums to choose from and due to its relegation, is very likely to be offered a chance to host. Security issues & the controversial 2017 tie-breaker result will only create the illusion of drama.

                  • Panama: An experienced WBCQ host that could likely host if Canada or China pass on the opportunity.

                  • Nicaragua: The new Denis Martinez Stadium should be completed this year and is MLB standards compliant; it is very likely that a hosting bid will submitted for this venue and they may just get it.

                  • United States: The WBC Steering Committee has used U.S. hosts in the previous WBCQs with Jupiter & Brooklyn, so there is still a possibility that it will happen again.

                  • Canada: Has several venues that could potentially host a WBCQ round, but they have passed on a previous opportunity to host. Perhaps, it’s that September is the only month of the year they can host or Toronto’s Stadium is too large to host a WBCQ.

                  • China: Has never hosted a WBC event, but has the potential for their government to green light the construction of an adequate facility relatively quickly. Although, it is unlikely that will happen and also unlikely that they will host.

                  • Germany: An experienced WBCQ host, but also passed on a previous opportunity. Due to their fourth place finish in 2016, the WBC Steering Committee may offer them the opportunity to host a Pre qualifier, but it is very unlikely that they will host a 2020 WBCQ.

                  • Brazil, Spain, France, Great Britain, Czech Republic, South Africa, New Zealand, Pakistan & the Philippines: Some have hosted non-WBC events, but their venues are probably not considered MLB compliant, making it highly unlikely any of these countries would host in 2020.
                  Based on this list, the 2020 WBCQ may look like:

                  New Taipei City Culiacan Panama Managua
                  2017 WBC Relegated Teams Taiwan Mexico China Canada
                  2016 WBCQ 2nd Place South Africa Great Britain Panama Nicaragua
                  2016 WBCQ 3rd Place New Zealand Brazil France Czech Republic
                  2016 WBCQ 4th Place Pakistan Philippines Germany Spain
                  However, I would like to see Canada host a group with Great Britain, South Africa & New Zealand.

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                  • #39
                    Hello. Here are some thoughts on the 2021 WBC:

                    1. Give the 2021 Final Round to Tokyo. They have certainly earned it. Tokyo's average WBC attendance has consistently increased: from 16,827 in 2006; to 28,352 in 2009; to 28,443 in 2013; and finally to 31,634 in 2017; an overall 88 % increase.

                    Despite built-in advantages for USA by so far hosting all 12 Final Round very large crowds in San Diego, Los Angeles (twice), and San Francisco; Japan's average 2006-2017 WBC attendance of 25,014 still exceeds by 22 % USA's average 2006-2017 WBC attendance of 20,562.

                    Tokyo had a First Round in the 1st and 2nd Classics; a Second Round in the 3rd and 4th Classics. It is now time to award them the Final Round in the 5th Classic.

                    2. Expand the total field from 28 to 40 by having two Qualification Rounds, thus adding 12 nations to the fun. Play both the First and Second Qualification Rounds in March 2020, to maximize MLB player participation.

                    Place the 12 new countries in the 2020 First Qualification Round along with the four nations who finished last in their 2016 Qualification Round - Philippines, Germany, Spain, Pakistan.

                    Then, with one team advancing from each 2020 First Qualification pool, there are now only 40 - 12 = 28 countries left, and the 2020 Second Qualification Round proceeds just as did the 2016 Qualification Round.

                    Thus, we would keep our word in being serious about expanding baseball around the world. Under current WBSC rankings, the 12 new participants would be Argentina, Russia, Hong Kong, Belgium, Austria, Sweden, Croatia, Guam, Lithuania, Slovakia, Ukraine, Poland.

                    Nine of these nations are European, and the format would generate significant interest in Europe. When you add in the eight European nations already in the Classic - Czech, England, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Netherlands, Spain - we have a total of 17 European countries in the field.

                    This would almost assuredly put an end to all the jokes and criticism we get in Europe that the WBC is anti-European.

                    We must acknowledge that in terms of fan interest, skill development, and participating players, our game's most serious weakness, and greatest opportunity, is Europe.

                    3. Initiate a 16-nation Women's WBC in Summer 2020. Make certain there is no conflict in dates with the 2020 Tokyo Summer Olympics.

                    It is always a great idea to get ahead of the curve on gender equity. Three years of planning, from 2017 through 2020, should be sufficient. Use WBSC Women's rankings to choose the top 16 nations as participants.

                    Hold the First Round and Second Round around the globe, with First Round pools in Japan, Canada, USA and Australia; Second Round pools in Japan and Canada.

                    Hold the Final Round in Yankee Stadium. Perhaps in our lifetimes, there may be a Women's MLB (WMLB), partially supported by MLB, and patterned after the NBA/WNBA model.

                    4. Do something about South Korea's malaise. They are part of the Classic's core, and are represented on the WBC Board. Their performance has dropped tremendously. This is a difficult problem.

                    In 2006, their 6-1 won-lost record was first in the tournament. In 2009, they were within inches of winning the tournament in the bottom of the 9th, only to see their nemesis Japan win in the 10th. In 2013, they were bounced out in the First Round.

                    In 2015, they inexplicably won the Premier 12 Tournament in Taiwan. But in 2017, what was to have been their glorious opening of the Gocheok Sky Dome in Seoul ended on a sour note as they were bounced out in the First Round again, winning only one of three games.

                    Their overall 15-7 won-lost record in all four Classics, with a winning percentage of .682, ranks 4th amongst the original 16 nations, behind only 1st Dominicana (.750), 2nd Japan (.742), 3rd Puerto Rico (.690), while Cuba is 5th (.577) and USA is 6th (.571).

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                    • #40
                      The updated Baseball-Fever WBC Expansion poll results, listed by vote percentages then WBSC rankings. Feel free to submit your 12 votes if you haven't and if you have; feel free to submit any changes to your votes.
                      ARG RUS SWE BEL THA HKG CRO UGA INA SRI AUT GUA LTU UKR IRL BAH SVK ECU NGR POL PER CHI GUM IND ESA Total
                      SouthwestAmAZins
                      X X X X X X X X X X X X 12
                      PLowry X X X X X X X X X X X X 12
                      Nutt X X X X X X X X X X X X 12
                      island slugger X X X X X X X X X X X X 12
                      cutchemist42 X X X X X X X X X X X X 12
                      Rally Monkey X X X X X X X X X X X X 12
                      Lime X X X X X X X X X X X X 12
                      gianc006 X X X X X X X X X X X X 12
                      Percentage 100 100 100 87.5 87.5 75 75 75 62.5 62.5 37.5 37.5 37.5 37.5 37.5 37.5 25 25 25 12.5 12.5 12.5 12.5 12.5 12.5
                      Last edited by SouthwestAmAZins; 08-02-2017, 02:59 AM.

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                      • #41
                        Baseball-Fever WBC Expansion Poll analysis:
                        • Four teams are not ranked by the WBSC: Uganda, The Bahamas, Nigeria & El Salvador
                        • Six teams only have one vote: Poland, Peru, Chile, Guam, India & El Salvador;
                        • Ten teams have over 50% of the votes: Argentina, Russia, Sweden, Belgium, Thailand, Hong Kong, Croatia, Uganda, Indonesia & Sri Lanka.
                        Last edited by SouthwestAmAZins; 07-31-2017, 01:39 PM.

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                        • #42
                          I just saw this pic of a baseball field in China; perhaps they may host a WBCQ after all.
                          DIbPIlvV4AAgZch.jpg

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                          • #43
                            Hello everyone, new to the forums. Big fan of the WBC.
                            I'm surprised no one had voted for Curacao or Aruba to be added WBC qualifiers should it expand considering the good amount of talented players in MLB and Minor League Baseball.

                            Also though the article is old, Ireland is pushing to make it to the World Baseball Classic, or at the very least play in the qualifiers.

                            "The Baseball United Foundation is seeking Irish-American baseball players who qualify for Irish citizenship. Eligible players will be evaluated for spots on the Irish National Baseball Team by Baseball Ireland, as Ireland continues its push to qualify for the World Baseball Classic."

                            https://supportirishbaseball.org/201...eball-players/

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                            • #44
                              Also, not too sure if anyone heard about this but the Chinese Professional Baseball league(Taiwan) Players Association is boycotting all Chinese Taipei Baseball Association future events. Not to sure how long the boycott will last but I don't think it will end anytime soon as the CPBLPA and CTBA have been going at it for a while. I know the qualifiers are a long time away but it makes me wonder what type of team Taiwan will send if the boycott continues years from now.
                              http://cpblstats.com/cpbl-players-un...e-ctba-events/

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Jak View Post
                                Hello everyone, new to the forums. Big fan of the WBC.
                                I'm surprised no one had voted for Curacao or Aruba to be added WBC qualifiers should it expand considering the good amount of talented players in MLB and Minor League Baseball.

                                Also though the article is old, Ireland is pushing to make it to the World Baseball Classic, or at the very least play in the qualifiers.

                                "The Baseball United Foundation is seeking Irish-American baseball players who qualify for Irish citizenship. Eligible players will be evaluated for spots on the Irish National Baseball Team by Baseball Ireland, as Ireland continues its push to qualify for the World Baseball Classic."

                                https://supportirishbaseball.org/201...eball-players/
                                First of all Welcome to Baseball-Fever. Second, Aruba's and Curacao's own WBC teams would greatly diminish Team Kingdom of the Netherlands' strength; therefore I don't see this happening. Of course, that is only my opinion, which twelve new teams would you invite?

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