Does Anyone Else Here Think Sabermetrics is a Sham?

[west coast orange and black]

rarely do i post in this forum. and when i do it is usually because i have a question about the numbers and stats and stuff. and then you guys answer thoughtfully and succinctly.

right now, though, it's this: calling for a truce.

[SABR Matt]

that's some nerve you have northside...

I extend a hand to new posters with regularity here...I am open about my work...its' strengths, weaknesses and limitations, and my plans for future research. The regulars here have all told you they understood CLEARLY what I was saying in my post re: meteorology and baseball research on the first try...the fact that you did not is, IMHO, not my problem. It's rather galling to me that you would tell me to stop with the "personal attacks" when you first post was filled with them.

[Sultan_1895-1948]

Northside, I probably side with you more than anyone else here. I could write an epic drawn-out piece about how beautiful the game of baseball is. How nothing else can compare. The smell of the grass and leather, the sounds, the feel of not feeling the ball squarely meet the bat and watching it backspin off...knowing its gone. Nothing compares to baseball. I think however, that you were out of line in your attack of Matt's comparison. Of all the "stat guys" that I've seen post here and talked to in real life, he seems to "get it" more than any. Realizing that everything will never be able to be accounted for through numbers, so his goal is to come as close as possible while always searching for newer, more accurate ways to capture on-field happenings. I grew up playing and still play. Never had time for the stat side of things but I respect those whose love for the game is expressed through that avenue. Provided they take Matt's approach that is.

[northside]

Stop with the personal insults. If you have a problem with me, shoot me a PM and we can take it from there. I think that would be the best thing to do. Fair enough?

[SABR Matt]

If you read the entire post rather than fixating on the first line, you would know that I was not comparing the playing of baseball to the weather...but you're apparently not developed enough in your reading comprehension.

[northside]

What was my point? That baseball doesn't have much in common with meteorology. What's your point. That you don't know the first thing about me, but you're acting like you do?

[RuthMayBond]

I can't even play baseball as well as Schroeder can play the piano.

So what was your point then?

[northside]

As well as you know anyone else. I do know that if you could play baseball as well as Beethoven could write music, you probably wouldn't be spending that much time on boards

I can't even play baseball as well as Schroeder can play the piano.

[EvanAparra]

I see. Are you interested in a career in baseball in some other context?

I hope the mod doesnt get mad for this off-topic banter, sorry Ubiquitous!

Yeah, I'd like to be in the day-to-day baseball operations of a ML team.. Or at least thats what i'm working towards... I'm currently applying for interships with MLB teams for the spring.

[northside]

No possible way. Team was ranked #1 in the Nation most of last year, 2 National Championsips in the last 4 years... A lot of the guys they have are pro-projected players. Maybe if I was as big as they are, i'd give it a shot (and I even have a personal connection to Coach Garrido), but they are just too good.
Therefore, I'll just concentrate on the club team.

I see. Are you interested in a career in baseball in some other context?

[EvanAparra]

Congratulations on your H.S. success.

Is there anyway you can possibly make the UT team? Can you get outside coaching?

No possible way. Team was ranked #1 in the Nation most of last year, 2 National Championsips in the last 4 years... A lot of the guys they have are pro-projected players. Maybe if I was as big as they are, i'd give it a shot (and I even have a personal connection to Coach Garrido), but they are just too good.
Therefore, I'll just concentrate on the club team.

[northside]

We had great talent, 3 consecutive district championships... I think if he would have put more attention into the stats we would have been even better... Hunches can only take you so far, which is what got me into Sabrmetrics in the first place.

I go to UT, so I since I cant make the team, im trying out for the club team come spring.

Congratulations on your H.S. success.

Is there anyway you can possibly make the UT team? Can you get outside coaching?

[EvanAparra]

You know, that doesn't surprise me. He felt one-upped, when in fact he should have taken inventory of himself to see how he could improve as a coach. What kills me is imagine if he's that shallow regarding that incident, what else may he have needed room for improvement in?

Do you still play at all?

We had great talent, 3 consecutive district championships... I think if he would have put more attention into the stats we would have been even better... Hunches can only take you so far, which is what got me into Sabrmetrics in the first place.

I go to UT, so I since I cant make the team, im trying out for the club team come spring.

[northside]

except my coach took my suggestion as me trying to coach the team myself, what a jerk.

p.s. thanks.

You know, that doesn't surprise me. He felt one-upped, when in fact he should have taken inventory of himself to see how he could improve as a coach. What kills me is imagine if he's that shallow regarding that incident, what else may he have needed room for improvement in?

Do you still play at all?

[EvanAparra]

That shows just what kind of character you have. You took the intitiative to do what it took to improve. As a coach, I would love to have a squad full of men with your attitude.

except my coach took my suggestion as me trying to coach the team myself, what a jerk.

p.s. thanks.