The most important pitching stat

[BigStellyPADRES4LIFE]

I am gonna see how well this goes down but i wanna see what people here think is the most important stat for pitchers. Rank them like 1-10 then ill do a cummulative tally, cuz im kind of curious where everyone stands on this.

[BigStellyPADRES4LIFE]

1. W/L Record
2. WHIP
3. ERA
4. K/BB
5. Innings Pitched

Actually make it top 5 for now..... and this is for starting pitchers.

[KCGHOST]

1. WHIP
2. ERA
3. K/BB
4. Innings Pitched
5. HR/9

[Bothrops Atrox]

1. ERA+
2. Total Bases Allowed
3. HR/9
4. IP
5. W %

[BigStellyPADRES4LIFE]

My ultimate goal here is to attempt to come up with a formula that combines the most important pitching tools which should be interesting.

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era+
whip
w-L %

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This thread is about the saddest thing I've ever seen.

K/BB
K/9
BB/9
HR/9
IP

sorry we dont meet your high standards, your almightyness

[BigStellyPADRES4LIFE]

This thread is about the saddest thing I've ever seen.

K/BB
K/9
BB/9
HR/9
IP

You posted on it what does that make you???

[mac195]

ERA+ is best if you are going by only one general, commonly available stat. The sum of the component stats is better of course.

[BigStellyPADRES4LIFE]

ERA+ is best if you are going by only one general, commonly available stat. The sum of the component stats is better of course.

Hehehe im working on a way to combine them in some mathematical way, ive been working on it for a few days and im liking what i can do with this, the thing is i kind of want a general opinion on this so i can combine everyone's knowledge so to speak. Ill weigh accordingly to what most think is the most important.

[BigStellyPADRES4LIFE]

Desperate to get the word out that ERA, ERA+, WHIP, and W/L or W% are bad statistics by which to judge pitching.

Any stat alone is not good to judge pitching by

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None of those stats...no matter how many you use...are good to judge pitching by. They're ALL team statistics...not individual pitching statistics.

The best pitching evaluation will IMHO be some combination of the DIPS events, and the pitcher's actual impact on balls in play.

how does the amount of runs you give up become a team stat?

[leecemark]

--Uh, because the defense behind the pitcher has alot to do with how many runs are allowed?

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--Uh, because the defense behind the pitcher has alot to do with how many runs are allowed?

those would be scored as an error

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Um...no blackout...those would be scored as singles...doubles...triples...

You know...things that aren't errors but that the pitcher doesn't control?

Once the bat and ball tuch, the pitcher has no ability to impact apart form his own defense. Some pitchers have been proven to have a minor impact on the in play hit rate, but...not more than 60...SIXTY...out of 30,000...

Well, that's not technically true. The pitcher is also a defensive player also, right? He does occasionally field ground balls and popups. And yes, I'm being nitpicky. Your statement is generally true, though.