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is 10 WAR in one season better than 10 WAR in three seasons?

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  • is 10 WAR in one season better than 10 WAR in three seasons?

    Looking at Mike Trout, with over 50 WAR already in just six seasons had me thinking, what is the best way to distribute one's value? Intrinsically it seems like a 50 WAR guy in six seasons was the better player than the guy who got 50 WAR in 10 or 15 seasons, but no one can say he actually has had as good a career; after all the longer career guy was helping his team out for 15 years, rather than just six. I guess what i am asking is what is the best balance between greatness and longevity? Would a 50 WAR guy in five seasons REALLY have as good a career as a 50 WAR guy in 10 seasons?

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    To clarify your question, you are supposing that two players each have 50 career WAR, but that the first player did it in 5 years versus the second player, who accrued the same value but over 10-15 seasons. Is that correct?

    Because in that instance, we can absolutely say that the career of Player A (higher peak) was equally valuable as the career of Player B (longer career). Their career value is the same.

    Not only does the fact that Player A put up the same value in fewer seasons mean that Player A was more productive than Player B, the rarity of great seasons (e.g. 10 WAR) gives additional value to Player A's team in those seasons in which he did play.

    Let's imagine, for a moment, that both players had 5 x 10.0 WAR seasons and that Player B had 10 zero WAR seasons afterwards. Playing at replacement level for one season, much less 10, is not valuable and is easily replaceable. Furthermore, the veteran status of the longer career player means his salaries would be much higher than a replacement-level player from the scrap heap or the minors.

    That example is, of course, extreme. But the point is still valid. There is absolutely no way that a guy who put up 50 WAR in 10 years is better than a guy who put up 50 WAR in 5 years.

    The problem with an active player (like Trout) is that his career is still in progress. There is no guarantee that he will continue to produce 10 WAR seasons. In fact, as Trout ages - like all players - his rate of production will eventually decline as his number of seasons played increases.

    Your question is a little bit backwards. The real question is "would a 50 WAR guy in 10 seasons REALLY have as good a career as a 50 WAR guy in 5 seasons?" The answer is "no" unless your definition of "good career" is limited to "the number of seasons played".
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    • #3
      I think for a team concentrated value over 6-7 years is the best because an average competitive window of a team is like 4-5 years or so, so the best would be to get that value in that window. Now of course that can also go wrong if the rest of the team is bad when the player is great but then you could still trade the guy for a big haul.

      being good longer is also great but most teams that are not Dodgers, red Sox or Yankees rich won't be good for a decade but will have at least a 3-4 year down period after 5 good years. So best would be to concentrate the value in the good half of the decade in my opinion.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by willshad View Post
        Looking at Mike Trout, with over 50 WAR already in just six seasons had me thinking, what is the best way to distribute one's value? Intrinsically it seems like a 50 WAR guy in six seasons was the better player than the guy who got 50 WAR in 10 or 15 seasons, but no one can say he actually has had as good a career; after all the longer career guy was helping his team out for 15 years, rather than just six. I guess what i am asking is what is the best balance between greatness and longevity? Would a 50 WAR guy in five seasons REALLY have as good a career as a 50 WAR guy in 10 seasons?
        I am more of a 5-7 year peak guy. How great they were at their best matters more when ranking than if they were able to stay healthy.

        That said, in your question, are you assuming the 5 year 50 WAR guy's career ends after 5 years? What he does for the rest of his career matters.

        It really depends on if you are talking about greatness vs career value I think.
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        • #5
          I guess it also matters what that 50 WAR did in the shorter amount of time as opposed to over the long haul. If somebody gets 50 WAR in 3 years, and it leads his team to 3 pennants, would this be better than somebody with 50 WAR in 7 years, where his team finishes with 85-90 wins each year and no pennants?

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