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    Anyone want to take a stab on why 1950's pitchers have such low WARs?

    There were FOUR AL pitchers with 4 WAR in 1950. Wynn led the league in 1951 with 5.5. Lemon was 10th in 1953 with 3.2. Suscne was 9th with 3.1 in 1954. Dick Donovan was THIRD in 1957 with 3.9 WAR. Lary was the ONLY AL pitcher in 1958 with 5 WAR.

    The NL over that time was SLIGHTLY better...but not by much. There is no other decade that even comes close to the 1950's. Spahn and Roberts are the only pitchers from the decade to put up 70 WAR. Spahn's 50's years don't really stand-out too much compared to his late 40's and early 60's years.

    Overall, guys like Pierce, Wynn, and lemon cannot crack 90 PARC-D. Whitey Ford's 107 is MUCH lower than one would expect.

    I really don't think it was an issue of one league being so much better or worse or overall LQ. And it isn' just lower IP numbers as other low IP eras had MUCH higher WAR numbers. Was it a rare combination of low IP totals AND low runs to wins conversions? The most comparable era would be the-mid to late 80's which also saw lowish IP totals and lowish runs to wins conversion factors.

    I really feel I need a 1950's PARC-D adjustment like I did for the WW2 period.
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    Originally posted by Bothrops Atrox View Post
    Anyone want to take a stab on why 1950's pitchers have such low WARs?

    There were FOUR AL pitchers with 4 WAR in 1950. Wynn led the league in 1951 with 5.5. Lemon was 10th in 1953 with 3.2. Suscne was 9th with 3.1 in 1954. Dick Donovan was THIRD in 1957 with 3.9 WAR. Lary was the ONLY AL pitcher in 1958 with 5 WAR.

    The NL over that time was SLIGHTLY better...but not by much. There is no other decade that even comes close to the 1950's. Spahn and Roberts are the only pitchers from the decade to put up 70 WAR. Spahn's 50's years don't really stand-out too much compared to his late 40's and early 60's years.

    Overall, guys like Pierce, Wynn, and lemon cannot crack 90 PARC-D. Whitey Ford's 107 is MUCH lower than one would expect.

    I really don't think it was an issue of one league being so much better or worse or overall LQ. And it isn' just lower IP numbers as other low IP eras had MUCH higher WAR numbers. Was it a rare combination of low IP totals AND low runs to wins conversions? The most comparable era would be the-mid to late 80's which also saw lowish IP totals and lowish runs to wins conversion factors.

    I really feel I need a 1950's PARC-D adjustment like I did for the WW2 period.
    Is there a weird defense affected pattern? In the AL, many of the best pitchers were on the Indians, Yankees (Ford really) or the White Sox, the three teams with the best defenses overall. Perhaps with having good pitching/good defenses concentrated on certain teams, that affects the overall numbers?

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      Originally posted by Toledo Inquisition View Post

      Is there a weird defense affected pattern? In the AL, many of the best pitchers were on the Indians, Yankees (Ford really) or the White Sox, the three teams with the best defenses overall. Perhaps with having good pitching/good defenses concentrated on certain teams, that affects the overall numbers?

      Spitballing it....
      Yes - these guys will have suppressed numbers. But the top pitchers on the other teams seem low too. But that could have an impact. Good thinking.
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