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Ted Williams vs. Left-handed Pitchers

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  • On May 20, 1941, in the first inning, DiMaggio walked, Finney walked, Williams hit into double play, DiMaggio advanced to third, Foxx singled to drive in DiMaggio, Cronin made an out. Article I read said no Red Sock reached base until DiMaggio in the sixth inning, after pitcher Earl Johnson made an out, but Finney hit into a double play. In the seventh, Williams led off with a single. Foxx walked, Cronin hit into a fielder's choice, Hale was intentionally walked, Newsome singled in two runs, Peacock drove in one on a groundout to first, and Johnson made the final out. Dizzy Trout, a right-hander, would pitch the eighth for the Tigers, the last batting inning for Boston. So Williams's total there against the lefty Newhouser should be 1-3 with a single and a GDP.
    "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

    - Alvin Dark

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    • Ubi have you seen this site?

      http://www.digitaldeliftp.com/Recomm...s/retro10.html

      My thought was to get play by play transcripts if they exist. I don't know.

      For 9/20/42 if you could find out what inning Newsome walked, then it would help. Williams had the only other walk and Russo walked a batter.
      "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

      ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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      • Originally posted by AstrosFan View Post
        On May 20, 1941, in the first inning, DiMaggio walked, Finney walked, Williams hit into double play, DiMaggio advanced to third, Foxx singled to drive in DiMaggio, Cronin made an out. Article I read said no Red Sock reached base until DiMaggio in the sixth inning, after pitcher Earl Johnson made an out, but Finney hit into a double play. In the seventh, Williams led off with a single. Foxx walked, Cronin hit into a fielder's choice, Hale was intentionally walked, Newsome singled in two runs, Peacock drove in one on a groundout to first, and Johnson made the final out. Dizzy Trout, a right-hander, would pitch the eighth for the Tigers, the last batting inning for Boston. So Williams's total there against the lefty Newhouser should be 1-3 with a single and a GDP.
        Do you have a copy of the article? Currently I have Wiliams 1-2 with the other PA being a walk or an out.

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        • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
          Ubi have you seen this site?

          http://www.digitaldeliftp.com/Recomm...s/retro10.html

          My thought was to get play by play transcripts if they exist. I don't know.

          For 9/20/42 if you could find out what inning Newsome walked, then it would help. Williams had the only other walk and Russo walked a batter.
          Doesn't look like they have radio broadcasts of the missing games.

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          • See if this works. Retrieved from ProQuest Historical Newspapers.

            RedSox-Tigers-May20-1941.pdf
            "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

            - Alvin Dark

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            • Adobe couldn't open it.

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              • Try this one:

                RedSox-Tigers-May20-1941.pdf
                "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                - Alvin Dark

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                • Originally posted by Ubiquitous View Post
                  Doesn't look like they have radio broadcasts of the missing games.
                  Damn dude there has to be a transcript somewhere. Can we find out what station broadcast the game?
                  "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                  ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                  • Originally posted by AstrosFan View Post
                    See if this works. Retrieved from ProQuest Historical Newspapers.

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                    Problem is that the recap only lists 4 walks for Newsome. But he had 5 in actuality. Newsome either walked Williams at some point or issued another walk to either DiMaggio or Finney.
                    Last edited by Ubiquitous; 11-12-2015, 08:42 PM.

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                    • Retrosheet now has all of Ted's 1942 season. Found the missing PA, it was a single against Russo, but it turns out that I missed 4 at bats and had one as a walk in 1942 and missed one at bat in 1946. Changes have been made. When I get home I'll look to see where I made the errors.

                      Code:
                       
                      PA AB H 2B 3B HR BB HBP SF SH TB BA OBP SLG OPS
                      1960 91 76 17 2 0 3 13 2 0 28 0.224 0.352 0.368 0.720
                      1959 66 55 12 3 0 1 10 0 1 18 0.218 0.333 0.327 0.661
                      1958 81 66 15 3 0 1 12 3 0 21 0.227 0.370 0.318 0.689
                      1957 120 94 31 4 0 5 25 1 0 50 0.330 0.475 0.532 1.007
                      1956 153 124 48 9 0 6 29 0 0 75 0.387 0.503 0.605 1.108
                      1955 114 94 31 8 1 8 17 1 2 65 0.330 0.430 0.691 1.121
                      1954 143 111 31 3 0 2 30 1 1 40 0.279 0.434 0.360 0.794
                      1953 21 18 6 3 0 0 3 0 0 9 0.333 0.429 0.500 0.929
                      1951 174 139 42 7 0 5 34 0 1 64 0.302 0.437 0.460 0.897 1 SF not official
                      1950 158 129 35 8 1 4 27 0 2 57 0.271 0.392 0.442 0.834 2 SF not official
                      1949 169 134 40 7 0 5 35 0 0 62 0.299 0.444 0.463 0.906
                      1948 172 137 54 15 1 5 30 2 3 86 0.394 0.500 0.628 1.128 3 SF not official
                      1947 115 92 30 5 1 1 18 1 4 40 0.326 0.426 0.435 0.861 4 SF not official
                      1946 115 91 23 6 0 2 25 0 0 35 0.253 0.417 0.385 0.802
                      1942 82 65 21 3 1 4 17 0 0 38 0.323 0.463 0.585 1.048
                      1941 105 86 37 5 1 2 17 0 2 50 0.430 0.514 0.581 1.096 Missing 1 PA
                      1940 126 111 38 9 1 5 14 0 0 1 64 0.342 0.413 0.577 0.989 Missing 3 PA
                      1939 73 66 20 1 1 5 6 0 1 38 0.303 0.356 0.576 0.932 Missing 1 PA
                      Total 2078 1688 531 101 8 64 362 11 17 1 840 0.315 0.435 0.498 0.933 5 PA missing
                      p-1958 1840 1491 487 93 8 59 327 6 16 1 773 0.327 0.446 0.518 0.964
                      Last edited by Ubiquitous; 07-15-2017, 10:25 AM.

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                      • Found the missing at bats for 1942. I missed two games in August that had 2 at bats a piece. The missing at bat in 1946 was actually in my seasonal game log totals. I just didn't transfer it over to the master sheet correctly.

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                        • It probably was a disadvantage for williams to be a pull hitter against lefties. Pulling works less well against same side pitchers because the ball is moving away from you.

                          that is probably why lefties get away better with being pure pull hitters than righties.

                          of course williams probably had the best eye ever and could wait for a pitch inside but he still probably saw less inside pitches against lefties because it was easier to keep the ball away from him.

                          ruth and especially cobb were more able to use the whole field making it easier to hit lefties.
                          Last edited by dominik; 07-16-2017, 04:49 AM.
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