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  • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
    So for SAeff it should be TB divided by AB - H for the player and the league?

    Same could be done for OBP true. Still multiply by 1.02 I take it.

    Any thoughts on a simple and fair platoon credit method for righties?

    Also, given that it is the only defensive position that directly impacts offensive production....shouldnt catchers receive a similar but smaller boost too?
    Yea, on base percentage is very very close to 1.02 as well.

    The problem with lefties and righties is that righties hit righties much better than lefties hit lefties, as a group. There have been several avenues like looking at how lefties and righties hit overall and just comparing lefties to lefties and righties to righties, but each method creates complications, like the fact that righties would get compared to middle infielders and catchers more, and lefties would be compared to first basemen, DHs and outfielders.

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    • This is good. By doing SAeff the easy and obvious way, which somehow escaped me, we can get home/road SAeff. Just looked at Piazza and his split is .730/.842. Seems huge but need to do some others to get perspective. Btw, any idea what the expected home production would be for SAeff?

      Piazza is looking better and better. Then he has platoon and catcher considerations. He will be moving up my hitters list big time. In fact, at this point its all blown up after you know who.

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      • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
        This is good. By doing SAeff the easy and obvious way, which somehow escaped me, we can get home/road SAeff. Just looked at Piazza and his split is .730/.842. Seems huge but need to do some others to get perspective. Btw, any idea what the expected home production would be for SAeff?

        Piazza is looking better and better. Then he has platoon and catcher considerations. He will be moving up my hitters list big time. In fact, at this point its all blown up after you know who.
        I think that if you have slugging efficiency on the road and want to predict the OVERALL, you would multiply by about 1.04 and just for home 1.08.

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        • Nice thanks.

          Okay we saw Piazza's .842 career road SAeff.

          Here is Foxx's split.

          1.011
          .809

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          • You'll have to use relative SAeff to set the run environments though.

            The best comparison of SAeff would be to take a) road slugging efficiency b) multiply by 1.04 c) divide by the league slugging efficiency

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            • I know. At work on my smarty phone. I need to re-do the leagues SAeff data base so couldnt do that step.

              By the way...

              Ruth

              Home - 1.068
              Road -- 1.029
              Expected - 1.070

              Last edited by Sultan_1895-1948; 05-23-2014, 03:35 PM.

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              • Just thought these two might make a good matchup. Turns out the results couldn't be more even.

                I thought using 300 PA for a min is fitting. If that's too high or two low, lemme know Brett. Reason I mention that, is Mantle's 1963, his fourth highest SA season, he had 213 PA and I left it out. Didn't look until just now, but his home/road SA split was .681/.580 that year.

                Anyway...............

                EddieMickeyBest5.jpg

                And here's a couple bombers.

                BambinoIronHorseBest5.jpg
                Last edited by Sultan_1895-1948; 05-23-2014, 07:09 PM.

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                • Well I guess I have to put Mathews back into my top 25, and Frank Robinson loses some. And I don't know how to move Gehrig up, but I pretty much have to. This may turn into a request thread similar to Matt's old PCA thread. I'd really like to see how much Yaz falls, and Ott and Brett. I think Brett will lose a little with road based numbers, Ott a little more and Yaz quite a bit, but maybe less than you think.
                  Last edited by brett; 05-23-2014, 07:24 PM.

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                  • Could you copy your most complete data table to the first post in this thread?

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                    • Here you go Layson......

                      HankWillieBest5.jpg

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                      • Originally posted by brett View Post
                        Could you copy your most complete data table to the first post in this thread?
                        Just to be clear, do you mean what's in post #125? (minus the incorrect SAeff of course)

                        I'm curious to do a few players' OBP, same process as slugging, and see what you were talking about with Rbat or whatever. Would that be a better measure than the bWAA we did...Rbat / (RAR/WAR)?

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                        • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                          Here you go Layson......

                          [ATTACH]139007[/ATTACH]
                          Thanks!

                          And of course it's no big surprise how close they are here. Both are ahead of Mantle, and that is a little surprising.

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                          • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                            Just to be clear, do you mean what's in post #125? (minus the incorrect SAeff of course)

                            I'm curious to do a few players' OBP, same process as slugging, and see what you were talking about with Rbat or whatever. Would that be a better measure than the bWAA we did...Rbat / (RAR/WAR)?
                            It would neutralize the player IF he got a particular relative boost from his ballpark.

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                            • Ha....

                              You thought that low league SA would save Yaz huh?

                              YazBrettBest5.jpg

                              On a positive note, Brett is 2 points higher than Thome. Bet nobody woulda guessed that!
                              Last edited by Sultan_1895-1948; 05-23-2014, 09:26 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by layson27 View Post
                                Thanks!

                                And of course it's no big surprise how close they are here. Both are ahead of Mantle, and that is a little surprising.
                                Yeah, no shocker really, with Aaron and Mays. They are as neck and neck as players get. Which baffles me when people make an argument for Mays #1 and have Aaron around #10. The edges outside the batters box can't possibly carry that much weight. Aaron was an excellent runner and fielder in his own right.

                                Anyway, as for Mantle. It didn't really shock me, only because I know his xBH numbers aren't good at all.

                                It's one of the biggest mysteries in history, imo, why he didn't get more xtra base hits. Okay, that might be over-stating it, but you have a switch hitting power hitter, always platoon edge, with world-class speed, playing in the most spacious gap to gap parks in all of baseball. The only thing I attribute it to, is that he either lacked one or more of the following.

                                1. Ability to study and know fielders arms/tendencies
                                2. Did not bust it out of the box UNLESS it was in the infield.
                                3. Lacked the baseball instincts, which, when tied in with #1, would lead to calculated risks executed by aggression.

                                I have no idea.

                                Mantle AB/xBH
                                H - 8.39
                                R - 8.62

                                Gehrig AB/xBH
                                H - 7.15
                                R - 6.36

                                Meusel AB/xBH
                                H - 8.66
                                R - 8.99

                                DiMaggio AB/xBH
                                H - 8.25
                                A - 7.30

                                All xBH isn't as extreme as subtracting HR would be. Something was up though.
                                Last edited by Sultan_1895-1948; 05-23-2014, 09:07 PM.

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