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Complete Game Losses for Warren Spahn, Early Wynn, Robin Roberts & others

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  • Complete Game Losses for Warren Spahn, Early Wynn, Robin Roberts & others

    There was a question I posted recently about how many Complete Games were thrown in certain years and how many of those were Complete Games In Losing Efforts.
    Originally I was just interested in the post War to Expansion Era of 1946 to 1962, but now I'll expand that a bit. If it can be determined, how many Complete Game Losses did the following pitchers have?:

    (Not a complete list of Hall Of Famers since 1946 by any means, but just a broad cross-section of the fair, good and great from 1946 until Complete Games went out of style.)


    Robin Roberts
    Warren Spahn
    Early Wynn
    Bob Feller
    Luis Tiant
    Don Newcombe
    Hal Newhouser
    Ken Raffensberger
    Larry Jackson
    Billy Pierce
    Bob Lemon
    Curt Simmons
    Bob Friend
    Livan Hernandez
    Gaylord Perry
    Phil Niekro
    Ferguson Jenkins
    Mickey Lolich
    Bob Gibson
    Juan Marichal
    Charlie Hough
    Randy Johnson
    Andy Pettitte
    Whitey ford
    Nolan Ryan
    Tom Seaver
    Jerry Koosman
    Dutch Leonard
    Jim Kaat
    Steve Carlton

  • #2
    Per Baseball-Reference.com's Play Index, the most fabulous tool in the world!:

    Robin Roberts - 66
    Warren Spahn - 58
    Early Wynn - 65
    Bob Feller - 56
    Luis Tiant - 40
    Don Newcombe - 25
    Hal Newhouser - 41
    Ken Raffensberger - 36
    Larry Jackson - 22
    Billy Pierce - 41
    Bob Lemon - 36
    Curt Simmons - 31
    Bob Friend - 28
    Livan Hernandez - 15
    Gaylord Perry - 76
    Phil Niekro - 63
    Ferguson Jenkins - 59
    Mickey Lolich - 45
    Bob Gibson - 55
    Juan Marichal - 38
    Charlie Hough - 35
    Randy Johnson - 25
    Andy Pettitte - 6
    Whitey Ford - 20
    Nolan Ryan - 59
    Tom Seaver - 45
    Jerry Koosman - 19
    Dutch Leonard - 54
    Jim Kaat - 33
    Steve Carlton - 38
    46 wins to match last year's total

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
      Per Baseball-Reference.com's Play Index, the most fabulous tool in the world!:

      Robin Roberts - 66
      Warren Spahn - 58
      Early Wynn - 65
      Bob Feller - 56
      Luis Tiant - 40
      Don Newcombe - 25
      Hal Newhouser - 41
      Ken Raffensberger - 36
      Larry Jackson - 22
      Billy Pierce - 41
      Bob Lemon - 36
      Curt Simmons - 31
      Bob Friend - 28
      Livan Hernandez - 15
      Gaylord Perry - 76
      Phil Niekro - 63
      Ferguson Jenkins - 59
      Mickey Lolich - 45
      Bob Gibson - 55
      Juan Marichal - 38
      Charlie Hough - 35
      Randy Johnson - 25
      Andy Pettitte - 6
      Whitey Ford - 20
      Nolan Ryan - 59
      Tom Seaver - 45
      Jerry Koosman - 19
      Dutch Leonard - 54
      Jim Kaat - 33
      Steve Carlton - 38
      WONDERFUL!!!! - Thanks Very much!!!! - It's no surprise that the most recently retired L. Hernandez and A. Pettitte had the lowest totals in this category. Definitely would have thought that the highest total would have belonged to one of the big three of the 1950s - Spahn, Wynn or Roberts, but no it's Gaylord Perry and by a 10 loss margin over Roberts. Perry pitched considerably later than those three (1962-1983), so despite winning 314 games, he pitched with more than his share of bad luck. (ie: He was good, but his opposing pitcher was just a little bit better.).
      Last edited by philliesfiend55; 07-24-2015, 09:07 AM.

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      • #4
        I'll get you all of Ruth's CG losses and his ER allowed in each when I get home from work

        I also remember looking up Walter game by game. Will see if I can find the post
        "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

        ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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        • #5
          RUTH

          5/06/15 --- 2 (3-5, 2 singles, HR)
          5/29/15 --- 2 (0-3)
          5/10/16 --- 5 (0-2, BB)
          5/27/16 --- 3 (2-4, 2 singles)
          6/17/16 --- 5 (1-3, single)
          8/31/16 --- 1 (2-4, single, double)
          6/01/17 --- 2 (1-2, single, BB)
          6/06/17 --- 3 (1-2, single, BB)
          6/16/17 --- 6 (1-4, single)
          7/03/17 --- 3 (0-3)
          7/07/17 --- 2 (1-3, single)
          8/03/17 --- 1 (0-3)
          8/14/17 --- 3 (2-4, 2 singles)
          8/21/17 --- 2 (0-3)
          8/27/17 --- 4 (1-4, double)
          9/10/17 --- 2 (0-2, sac)
          9/20/17 --- 1 (0-3)
          10/3/17 --- 6 (1-3, single)
          4/24/18 --- 1 (1-3, single)
          5/04/18 --- 2 (2-4, double, HR)
          5/09/18 --- 2 (5-5, single, 3 doubles, triple)
          6/02/18 --- 4 (1-3, HR)
          8/12/18 --- 2 (0-3, BB)
          6/10/19 --- 2 (1-3, double, BB)
          6/14/19 --- 3 (2-6, 2 singles)
          6/25/19 --- 1 (0-4)
          7/17/19 --- 4 (1-4, single)
          7/21/19 --- 3 (1-4, HR, BB)

          28 LOSSES

          ER Allowed....

          1 run --- 5
          2 runs -- 10
          3 runs -- 6
          4+ runs - 7

          Batting

          30 H
          96 AB
          102 PA
          51 TB

          .313/.353/.531
          Last edited by Sultan_1895-1948; 07-24-2015, 10:31 PM.
          "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

          ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
            I also remember looking up Walter game by game. Will see if I can find the post
            1913-2017
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            • #7
              1960-2017
              capture 2.PNG

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SamtheBravesFan View Post
                Per Baseball-Reference.com's Play Index, the most fabulous tool in the world!:

                Robin Roberts - 66
                Warren Spahn - 58
                Early Wynn - 65
                Bob Feller - 56
                Luis Tiant - 40
                Don Newcombe - 25
                Hal Newhouser - 41
                Ken Raffensberger - 36
                Larry Jackson - 22
                Billy Pierce - 41
                Bob Lemon - 36
                Curt Simmons - 31
                Bob Friend - 28
                Livan Hernandez - 15
                Gaylord Perry - 76
                Phil Niekro - 63
                Ferguson Jenkins - 59
                Mickey Lolich - 45
                Bob Gibson - 55
                Juan Marichal - 38
                Charlie Hough - 35
                Randy Johnson - 25
                Andy Pettitte - 6
                Whitey Ford - 20
                Nolan Ryan - 59
                Tom Seaver - 45
                Jerry Koosman - 19
                Dutch Leonard - 54
                Jim Kaat - 33
                Steve Carlton - 38
                Those 66 Complete Game Losses kept Robin Roberts from being a 300 game winner, and even a 350 game winner. I'd like to see how many wins Robby would have racked up if he'd pitched for the NY Yankees in his heyday. Even with Richie Ashburn getting on base via singles or walks and Del Ennis driving him home, the Phillies always had a couple of easy outs in their lineups. Still Roberts' record of six straight 20 wins seasons followed by a 19 win season and including a 28-7 record in 1952, with 305 Complete Games lifetime, and a couple of NL Strikeouts crowns, made his Hall Of fame election totally legitimate. I question why it took four cracks at the HOF via the writers (1973 to 1976) to finally get him elected. The fact that Whitey Ford, backed by the Dynastic Yankees, got into the HOF before Roberts did, really doesn't make that much sense.
                Last edited by philliesfiend55; 01-09-2018, 08:44 AM.

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                • #9
                  It's Interesting that Paul Derringer, a fairly modern pitcher (1931-1945), almost, but not quite, lost his over .500 lifetime record due to so many Complete Game Losses (65), due to lack of run support by mostly, mediocre Cincy Reds teams.

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