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  • Hey Matt,

    I am curious how you handle League Quality in PCA. More broadly, can you give any advice on how one should handle LQ when comparing recent stars to those from the early part of the 20'th century? I am asking, because I am beginning to think that I have been overrating the early stars from baseball. For example, I broke down my personal top 20 by year of debut into three segments pre 1933, 1933-1965, 1966-1999. This is what I came up with:
    Pre- 1933
    8 players (Wagner, Cobb, Ruth, Speaker, Hornsby, Collins, Gehrig, Ott)
    1933-1965
    8 players (Williams, Musial, Mantle, Morgan, F. Robinson, Mathews, Mays, Aaron)
    1966-1999
    4 players (Bonds, Henderson, Schmidt, Brett)

    With the exception of George Brett and, maybe, Mathews, I don't think I have an unusual top 20. However, logic tells me that more top players should come from recent years. I am just hoping for some advice from an expert. Thank you for your time.
    Last edited by cbenson5; 06-04-2011, 11:24 PM.
    "I never saw anyone like Ty Cobb. No one even close to him. He was the greatest all time ballplayer. That guy was superhuman, amazing."
    -Casey Stengel

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    • Originally posted by cbenson5 View Post
      Hey Matt,

      I am curious how you handle League Quality in PCA. More broadly, can you give any advice on how one should handle LQ when comparing recent stars to those from the early part of the 20'th century? I am asking, because I am beginning to think that I have been overrating the early stars from baseball. For example, I broke down my personal top 20 by year of debut into three segments pre 1933, 1933-1965, 1966-1999. This is what I came up with:
      Pre- 1933
      8 players (Wagner, Cobb, Ruth, Speaker, Hornsby, Collins, Gehrig, Ott)
      1933-1965
      8 players (Williams, Musial, Mantle, Morgan, F. Robinson, Mathews, Mays, Aaron)
      1966-1999
      4 players (Bonds, Henderson, Schmidt, Brett)

      With the exception of George Brett and, maybe, Mathews, I don't think I have an unusual top 20. However, logic tells me that more top players should come from recent years. I am just hoping for some advice from an expert. Thank you for your time.
      I wish I'd had more time to pursue a deeper league quality analysis. I used the skewness and kurtosis of each league's RS/G/Side distribution to make an estimate of league quality (the more skewed the distribution, while at the same time possessing low kurtosis (a measure of the sharpness of a curve)...the more tail-heavy the run scoring was, thus implying that there were teams beating up on other teams...implying a deep imbalance in league parity and, likely, poor league quality. That was just a rough guess.

      PCA itself does not use that as I'm not confident in its' assessment...what it does instead is force the player win creation rate distribution in each league to fit a standard distribution as represented by the all-time distiribution at least position for defense, and for each pitcher and batter...I call that normalization...it's not perfect, but it at least creates a final ranking that is a little less ancient-heavy than the original PCA.

      Mty top 20 is somewhat different than yours, though obviously many of the same names are present...I'll post it when I have access to my data and can incorporate all moder data not included i the old database (as well as make tweaks to cccount for what I believe are weaknesses in the original PCA method).

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      • Matt, it was recently brought to my attention that George Brett had apparently significantly better home than road hitting stats in his early years, '74-'82 with the exception of the 1980 season. Then starting in '83 through the end of his career he had almost the exact opposite trend, almost completely balancing out his hitting value by the end of his career. Is there any explanation for this? I remember you wrote once that Royals stadium benefitted line drive hitters, and perhaps those who ran well. I noticed too that Brett had over 2/3 of his triples at home. Does it seem plausible that Brett did that much better at home from '74-'82 when he ran much better and tried to hit line drives, and then when he lost some speed and maybe tried to hit more flyballs that he was actually hurt (relatively) by his park trends?
        Is there any easy way to get his combined home-road splits for '74-'82 excluding 1980 and for '83-'90. I think he batted 70 points higher at home from '74-'82.

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        • So the question would be...why exclude 1980? What was different that year?

          I am usually inclined to believe that even several-year trends in a split stat are dubious unless a solid reason is provided that they might exist...but it is possible that when Brett was faster and more of a line drive hitter, he had more of an advantage at home. Yes...their home park did strongly benefit speedy players (hit it on the ground hard and the artificial turf was like superball material)...are Brett's home splits strongly favoring triples and singles at home during that stretch? And then strongly favoring home runs on the road later in his career?

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          • Originally posted by SABR Matt View Post
            So the question would be...why exclude 1980? What was different that year?

            I am usually inclined to believe that even several-year trends in a split stat are dubious unless a solid reason is provided that they might exist...but it is possible that when Brett was faster and more of a line drive hitter, he had more of an advantage at home. Yes...their home park did strongly benefit speedy players (hit it on the ground hard and the artificial turf was like superball material)...are Brett's home splits strongly favoring triples and singles at home during that stretch? And then strongly favoring home runs on the road later in his career?
            I am going to start to piece together the splits. Actually, '80 was balanced, '81 was nearly balanced, and '82 started a trend in which he performed better on the road consistently every year. In '80 he started to save his legs, (walked more, hit more home runs, became willing to hit the ball in the air more which he really tried to avoid through '79).

            So let's start with his splits from '74-'79.

            At home he went:

            603 for 1628 for a .370 batting average!
            132 doubles
            48 triples
            32 home runs
            .569 Slugging %

            On the road he went:
            474 for 1827 for a .259 batting average
            77 doubles
            25 triples
            42 home runs
            .398 slugging percentage!

            He tripled in 1.4% of his at bats on the road and 2.9% at home.

            Those look like some huge splits over a span of 6 years.
            The reason that Brett was so interesting in his splits was that his road rates might not have given him a single all star type season going into 1980, while in reality he was an established star with a batting title, and runner-up MVP in '76, and had started 3 straight all star games, and was also runner up MVP in '79. His '77 and '79 road slugging percentages were solid at .495 abd .492.

            Then in '80 he hits .388 and sluggs .640 on the road, .391 and .685 at home. He only hit .300 on the road once at .301 with a .398 slugging in '76,

            From '82 to '93 his numbers look a lot more balanced, but he seemed to do better on the road, despite most hitters not doing quite as well at home.

            At home he went:
            889 for 3005 and a .296 average
            188 doubles
            36 triples
            89 home runs
            .471 slugging

            On the road
            899 for 3053 and a .294 average
            206 doubles
            just 12 triples
            .496 slugging percentage.
            124 home runs (That's about a 420 home run pace on the road prorated through his career at bats and even better with a normal home boost)


            his .294 average and .496 slugging on the road over that 11 year period are definitely hall of fame level production for that era. His overall productivity almost balances out over the length of his career, but it seems to show me that a players approach DOES impact their performance in a given ballpark. It seems to support Brett's own statements that he was taught to hit the ball down in his early years, to keep it on the ground or hit line drives, but that fly balls were bad, and then again that he became willing to try to pull the ball more and hit it in the air more.

            Overall Brett still went .290/.356/.469 on the road with over 1500 hits and 181 home runs in a league that as a whole went about .265/.323/.380 composite on the road over his career. .320/.383/.506 at home with 136 home runs.
            Last edited by brett; 06-08-2011, 03:14 PM.

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              • Originally posted by SABR Matt View Post
                I wish I'd had more time to pursue a deeper league quality analysis. I used the skewness and kurtosis of each league's RS/G/Side distribution to make an estimate of league quality (the more skewed the distribution, while at the same time possessing low kurtosis (a measure of the sharpness of a curve)...the more tail-heavy the run scoring was, thus implying that there were teams beating up on other teams...implying a deep imbalance in league parity and, likely, poor league quality. That was just a rough guess.

                PCA itself does not use that as I'm not confident in its' assessment...what it does instead is force the player win creation rate distribution in each league to fit a standard distribution as represented by the all-time distiribution at least position for defense, and for each pitcher and batter...I call that normalization...it's not perfect, but it at least creates a final ranking that is a little less ancient-heavy than the original PCA.

                Mty top 20 is somewhat different than yours, though obviously many of the same names are present...I'll post it when I have access to my data and can incorporate all moder data not included i the old database (as well as make tweaks to cccount for what I believe are weaknesses in the original PCA method).
                Thank you Matt. I imagine your analysis would go a little over my head, but it sounds like we are going through the same issue. That is trying to find a way to get more modern players in the higher echelons of our ratings. I look forward to seeing your top 20. Hopefully, it is not too far off from mine. Then I will feel a little better that I am on the right track.
                "I never saw anyone like Ty Cobb. No one even close to him. He was the greatest all time ballplayer. That guy was superhuman, amazing."
                -Casey Stengel

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                • Matt, whats your new system called and do you have a thread for it?
                  "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                  ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                  • I hope Matt returns. He hasn't posted since August 13, 2011.
                    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                    • Oh really? Didn't know that. Maybe he's hoarding info, gathering his arsenal, and will come back in with a crashing wallop that will knock us off our feet :P
                      "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                      ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                      • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                        Oh really? Didn't know that. Maybe he's hoarding info, gathering his arsenal, and will come back in with a crashing wallop that will knock us off our feet :P
                        Actually, he just got tired of what he perceived as snarky people always snarkly whining about how snarky sabermetricians were.
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                        • Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                          Actually, he just got tired of what he perceived as snarky people always snarkly whining about how snarky sabermetricians were.
                          Always thought Matt balanced his interaction with pure stat crowd and the pure traditionalist crowd pretty well.

                          It isn't smart to only use one or the other; we should allow them to compliment each other.

                          Anyway, yeah hope he comes back.
                          "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                          ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                          • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948 View Post
                            Always thought Matt balanced his interaction with pure stat crowd and the pure traditionalist crowd pretty well.

                            It isn't smart to only use one or the other; we should allow them to compliment each other.

                            Anyway, yeah hope he comes back.
                            There were a handful of members that constantly gave him fits - and he got tired of it. I conversed with Matt a lot of times about stats off-site. I miss him around here too.
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                            • Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                              There were a handful of members that constantly gave him fits - and he got tired of it. I conversed with Matt a lot of times about stats off-site. I miss him around here too.

                              Yeah I also took a long break, just choosing not to deal with the nonsense and ignorance. Just gets old. Even now, I read some things that just ooze with stupidity. Matt's passion was probably attacked on a personal level one too many times. Well, if you have a way to tell him, let him know his work is appreciated.
                              "By common consent, Ruth was the hardest hitter of history; a fine fielder, if not a finished one; an inspired base runner, seeming to do the right thing without thinking. He had the most perfect co-ordination of any human animal I ever knew." - Hugh Fullerton, 1936 (Chicago sports writer, 1893-1930's)

                              ROY / ERA+ Title / Cy Young / WS MVP / HR Title / Gold Glove / Comeback POY / BA Title / MVP / All Star / HOF

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                              • I want Matt to come back so he can explain to me the inner workings of PCA.
                                Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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