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  • Agreed on Jones' work ethic...he's defensively aged WAY too soon...he's only like 28 and he's playing center like a 35 year old now.

    Gary Carter was an outstanding receiver, kept down the baserunning game, and prevented WP and PB better than normal too. There's a reason he was looked at as a leader and revered in NY on that '86 team. Here's Carter's PCA line:
    Code:
    Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
    1974	5	0.11	0.328
    1975	52	0.67	0.277
    1976	57	0.81	0.283
    1977	140	1.96	0.283
    1978	148	3.51	0.336
    1979	133	3.69	0.359
    1980	146	4.30	0.368
    1981	95	2.70	0.363
    1982	151	4.70	0.378
    1983	140	4.41	0.380
    1984	134	2.36	0.302
    1985	137	2.02	0.286
    1986	123	0.75	0.238
    1987	129	1.38	0.264
    1988	109	0.58	0.234
    1989	39	0.28	0.244
    1990	63	0.45	0.244
    1991	56	0.86	0.290
    1992	74	0.47	0.240
    Here's Bench:
    Code:
    Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
    1967	25	0.53	0.321
    1968	145	3.50	0.339
    1969	138	3.24	0.335
    1970	133	3.17	0.337
    1971	133	1.51	0.268
    1972	127	2.72	0.324
    1973	127	2.49	0.313
    1974	128	2.62	0.318
    1975	120	3.07	0.347
    1976	117	2.58	0.327
    1977	122	1.32	0.265
    1978	97	1.59	0.295
    1979	119	1.29	0.265
    1980	90	0.39	0.229
    1981	7	0.06	0.249
    1983	3	0.05	0.294
    Both outstanding fielding catchers...Carter definitely appears to have had the better peak and been more durable...Catching is tough to get exactly right so there's room for disagreement...I do think Bench's legend is more impressive than his actual on-field accomplishments, not that he wasn't a first ballot HOF slam dunk stud.

    Comment


    • Originally posted by Myankee4life
      Did you mean 1st base here for Foxx?
      Oops...LOL...yes...that shold read 1st base.

      Comment


      • Originally posted by SABR Matt

        Carter:

        1978 148 3.51 0.336
        1979 133 3.69 0.359
        1980 146 4.30 0.368
        1981 95 2.70 0.363
        1982 151 4.70 0.378
        1983 140 4.41 0.380
        That's gotta be pretty much the best 6 year stretch from any catcher ever, right? He averaged .364 over that stretch Maybe Ivan could match that run?

        Could I get a defensive comparison along with your analysis for Campanella and Fisk? Thanks.

        Comment


        • Here ya go:
          Code:
          [b]Roberto Alomar[/b]
          Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
          1988	141	3.18	0.284
          1989	154	2.49	0.256
          1990	133	2.75	0.275
          1991	159	3.32	0.277
          1992	139	1.62	0.236
          1993	146	2.35	0.256
          1994	98	1.45	0.250
          1995	126	2.25	0.263
          1996	137	2.31	0.259
          1997	103	3.14	0.319
          1998	142	2.57	0.264
          1999	147	3.83	0.299
          2000	151	2.18	0.248
          2001	150	1.48	0.228
          2002	139	1.10	0.220
          2003	62	1.22	0.271
          2003	64	0.73	0.235
          2004	21	0.10	0.205
          2004	11	0.25	0.285
          
          Career PCA-BA: .261 (a little below average)
          
          [b]Jim Thome
          1B[/b]
          Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
          1997	139	0.52	0.232
          1998	115	1.47	0.289
          1999	104	1.5	0.299
          2000	104	1.17	0.279
          2001	143	0.45	0.228
          2002	123	0.97	0.258
          2003	153	0.35	0.223
          2004	129	0.88	0.251
          2005    52      -0.22   0.188
          [b]3B[/b]
          Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
          1991	26	0.19	0.241
          1992	33	0.13	0.222
          1993	44	0.19	0.224
          1994	86	1.03	0.269
          1995	128	0.91	0.24
          1996	146	2.26	0.289
          
          Career PCA-BA: .258 at 3B, .254 at 1B, .255 overall
          
          [b]Jorge Posada[/b]
          Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
          1996	2	0.01	0.231
          1997	50	0.42	0.251
          1998	85	1.79	0.322
          1999	99	0.73	0.246
          2000	134	1.17	0.253
          2001	124	0.56	0.230
          2002	133	1.56	0.270
          2003	134	1.89	0.283
          2004	123	0.99	0.250
          2005    129     0.22    0.211
          
          Career PCA-BA: .262
          
          [b]Derek Jeter[/b]
          Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
          1995	12	0.25	0.279
          1996	154	2.34	0.256
          1997	157	2.20	0.250
          1998	145	2.33	0.259
          1999	157	1.34	0.226
          2000	147	0.65	0.208
          2001	144	1.18	0.225
          2002	152	0.39	0.200
          2003	111	0.14	0.194
          2004	152	1.64	0.236
          2005    155     2.02    0.242
          
          Career PCA-BA: .230 (among the worst in ML history for SSs)
          
          [b]Omar Vizquel[/b]
          Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
          1989	132	1.80	0.249
          1990	77	1.54	0.277
          1991	130	4.98	0.358
          1992	130	2.64	0.278
          1993	149	4.42	0.320
          1994	66	1.01	0.256
          1995	133	3.02	0.289
          1996	145	3.85	0.306
          1997	146	3.00	0.279
          1998	148	4.20	0.314
          1999	138	2.23	0.260
          2000	149	1.72	0.239
          2001	147	1.56	0.235
          2002	146	1.75	0.241
          2003	65	1.79	0.310
          2004	135	2.35	0.265
          2005    148     1.90    0.242
          
          Career PCA-BA: .278
          
          [b]Ichiro[/b]
          Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
          2001	155	4.27	0.332
          2002	147	3.60	0.319
          2003	158	4.25	0.329
          2004	160	2.13	0.270
          2005    161     5.02    0.366
          
          Career PCA-BA: .321
          
          [b]Albert Belle
          RF[/b]
          Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
          1989	27	0.80	0.342
          1999	149	1.28	0.249
          2000	99	0.88	0.251
          [b]LF[/b]
          Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
          1989	13	0.21	0.292
          1991	71	1.12	0.289
          1992	43	0.40	0.256
          1993	149	2.51	0.294
          1994	105	1.43	0.278
          1995	137	1.71	0.272
          1996	149	2.76	0.303
          1997	151	1.96	0.275
          1998	156	1.22	0.248
          
          Career PCA-BA: .278 in LF, .259 in RF, .274 overall
          Ichiro's line is astounding given that we don't get to see what he did before age 27...usually the best fielding happens around ages 24-27.

          Now the offense:
          Code:
          [b]Roberto Alomar[/b]
          Yr	PA	Wins	PCA-BA
          1988	611	5.09	0.282
          1989	702	6.52	0.288
          1990	646	4.33	0.272
          1991	719	6.82	0.290
          1992	671	11.45	0.336
          1993	683	8.78	0.310
          1994	455	4.16	0.287
          1995	577	4.97	0.284
          1996	699	10.23	0.321
          1997	469	5.88	0.308
          1998	657	4.94	0.277
          1999	694	11.23	0.331
          2000	697	6.01	0.284
          2001	677	12.65	0.346
          2002	655	4.62	0.275
          2003	302	1.94	0.271
          2003	296	0.68	0.245
          2004	65	-1.05	0.132
          2004	125	1.15	0.288
          
          Career PCA-BA: a weirdly streaky .297
          
          [b]Jim Thome[/b]
          Yr	PA	Wins	PCA-BA
          1991	104	0.13	0.239
          1992	131	-0.41	0.212
          1993	192	2.51	0.312
          1994	369	2.25	0.269
          1995	557	9.69	0.338
          1996	636	10.39	0.332
          1997	627	11.27	0.342
          1998	537	7.40	0.316
          1999	629	8.30	0.313
          2000	684	6.67	0.291
          2001	644	12.27	0.348
          2002	613	18.51	0.417
          2003	698	9.98	0.319
          2004	618	7.39	0.305
          2005    242     1.01    0.259
          
          Career PCA-BA: .324 (6-way tie for 35th all time)
          
          [b]Derek Jeter[/b]
          Yr	PA	Wins	PCA-BA
          1995	51	0.13	0.246
          1996	654	4.48	0.273
          1997	748	5.78	0.279
          1998	694	8.00	0.302
          1999	739	14.41	0.351
          2000	679	7.52	0.299
          2001	686	7.84	0.302
          2002	730	6.77	0.288
          2003	542	5.62	0.295
          2004	721	7.58	0.296
          2005    752     8.42    0.298
          
          Career PCA-BA: .298
          
          [b]Jorge Posada[/b]
          Yr	PA	Wins	PCA-BA
          1996	15	-0.34	0.092
          1997	224	1.70	0.278
          1998	409	2.74	0.272
          1999	437	2.05	0.260
          2000	624	7.17	0.302
          2001	557	4.51	0.281
          2002	598	4.69	0.279
          2003	588	7.42	0.309
          2004	547	5.64	0.295
          2005    546     3.68    0.277
          
          Career PCA-BA: .285
          
          [b]Juan Gonzalez[/b]
          Yr	PA	Wins	PCA-BA
          1989	68	-0.80	0.159
          1990	95	1.02	0.297
          1991	595	5.36	0.287
          1992	632	6.60	0.296
          1993	587	12.57	0.363
          1994	463	2.41	0.263
          1995	374	3.70	0.292
          1996	592	7.50	0.309
          1997	579	7.82	0.314
          1998	669	10.23	0.325
          1999	629	8.26	0.312
          2000	496	3.74	0.278
          2001	595	7.93	0.313
          2002	296	1.08	0.254
          2003	346	3.42	0.292
          2004	138	1.04	0.278
          
          Career PCA-BA: .302
          
          [b]Albert Belle[/b]
          Yr	PA	Wins	PCA-BA
          1989	234	0.30	0.239
          1990	25	-0.22	0.176
          1991	496	5.47	0.299
          1992	650	5.48	0.283
          1993	693	10.29	0.323
          1994	480	11.64	0.381
          1995	629	12.58	0.354
          1996	715	10.33	0.320
          1997	701	5.04	0.275
          1998	706	15.66	0.368
          1999	722	9.01	0.308
          2000	622	4.24	0.273
          
          Career PCA-BA: .314 (4-way tie for 63rd all time)

          Comment


          • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
            That's gotta be pretty much the best 6 year stretch from any catcher ever, right? He averaged .364 over that stretch Maybe Ivan could match that run?

            Could I get a defensive comparison along with your analysis for Campanella and Fisk? Thanks.
            Pudge has a better stretch I'm fairly sure...here's Pudge's career:
            Code:
            Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
            1991	81	0.95	0.270
            1992	114	3.59	0.380
            1993	131	1.84	0.283
            1994	96	1.85	0.312
            1995	120	3.81	0.381
            1996	138	4.59	0.389
            1997	138	3.96	0.364
            1998	136	4.12	0.373
            1999	136	4.21	0.377
            2000	84	1.28	0.289
            2001	102	3.17	0.377
            2002	97	1.12	0.269
            2003	128	0.83	0.241
            2004	119	3.01	0.345
            1995-2001 (interrupted only briefly by a bad injury) he has an average PCA-BA of .372 LOL

            Here's Roy Campanella:
            Code:
            Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
            1948	80	0.99	0.274
            1949	123	1.25	0.261
            1950	120	0.58	0.231
            1951	139	2.19	0.292
            1952	116	0.88	0.247
            1953	134	2.31	0.300
            1954	107	1.40	0.277
            1955	119	1.32	0.266
            1956	117	1.28	0.266
            1957	97	2.42	0.343
            Here's Carlton Fisk:
            Code:
            Yr	EqG	Wins	PCA-BA
            1971	13	0.08	0.24
            1972	132	1.58	0.271
            1973	131	1.74	0.279
            1974	52	0.73	0.283
            1975	68	0.71	0.262
            1976	135	3.08	0.332
            1977	151	2.68	0.303
            1978	151	2.66	0.302
            1979	31	0.16	0.233
            1980	108	1.22	0.267
            1981	87	0.81	0.256
            1982	126	1.54	0.273
            1983	122	1.30	0.264
            1984	77	0.54	0.244
            1985	121	1.26	0.263
            1986	66	1.09	0.296
            1987	106	2.82	0.352
            1988	68	0.99	0.286
            1989	80	1.37	0.300
            1990	112	2.34	0.321
            1991	90	1.35	0.288
            1992	48	0.43	0.254
            1993	12	0.36	0.370
            Fisk has Campy beat HANDILY on defense...it ain't even close.

            Comment


            • Jim Thome
              Yr PA Wins PCA-BA
              1991 104 0.13 0.239
              1992 131 -0.41 0.212
              1993 192 2.51 0.312
              1994 369 2.25 0.269
              1995 557 9.69 0.338
              1996 636 10.39 0.332
              1997 627 11.27 0.342
              1998 537 7.40 0.316
              1999 629 8.30 0.313
              2000 684 6.67 0.291
              2001 644 12.27 0.348
              2002 613 18.51 0.417
              2003 698 9.98 0.319
              2004 618 7.39 0.305
              2005 242 1.01 0.259

              Career PCA-BA: .324 (6-way tie for 35th all time)
              Perhaps some adjustments are in order?


              On a side note: Matt, is there any way you can get your hands on his (Ichiro's) fielding stats from his youth? And what do you think of Ichiro moving to center. I love the move and wish they would have done it sooner.

              Comment


              • I am confident Ichiro can handle CF and it gets Chris Snelling into our line-up. Snells is an on-base machine...a great hitter in the making...very similar to Edgar Martinez. he instantly upgrades the offense by 50 runs next year if this stays the arrangement and Ichiro is a better fielder than any Mariner CFer except Mike Cameron perhaps so it'll be nice to get some top notch glovework out there.

                Comment


                • Originally posted by Sultan_1895-1948
                  Perhaps some adjustments are in order?


                  On a side note: Matt, is there any way you can get your hands on his (Ichiro's) fielding stats from his youth? And what do you think of Ichiro moving to center. I love the move and wish they would have done it sooner.
                  What adjustments? Not sure what you are reacting too.

                  Comment


                  • Matt, again, could I have total PCA (offense and defense together, year by year) for Ty Cobb, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Tris Speaker, Joe Morgan, Rogers Hornsby, Eddie Collins, and Nap Lajoie?

                    And also, why exactly were the posts I made earlier today on this thread deleted?

                    Comment


                    • I deleted them, Chris. Matt asked that we not hijack his thread, so I cleaned up our usual BS. It was not fair to allow it to litter Matt's PCA thread. All it consisted of was you & I doing our usual bitching act for a page. Was completely unfair to Matt. So I gave him back his stolen posts.
                      Last edited by Bill Burgess; 08-21-2006, 09:22 PM.

                      Comment


                      • Both yours and Bill's posts that were off-topic were deleted at my request. Sorry...didn't mean to step on any toes, but your argument was becoming counter-productive to this thread.

                        In any event...here you go for your request:
                        Code:
                        [b]Willie Mays[/b]
                        Yr	Lg	Wins
                        1955	NL	19.98
                        1965	NL	19.55
                        1962	NL	18.19
                        1958	NL	18.11
                        1964	NL	17.46
                        1954	NL	17.21
                        1960	NL	16.89
                        1963	NL	15.78
                        1961	NL	15.36
                        1957	NL	15.33
                        1959	NL	14.67
                        1966	NL	14.22
                        1971	NL	13.00
                        1968	NL	12.52
                        1956	NL	10.60
                        1970	NL	9.15
                        1967	NL	8.35
                        1951	NL	7.04
                        1969	NL	6.16
                        1972	NL	3.99
                        1973	NL	2.25
                        1952	NL	1.83
                        
                        [b]Ty Cobb[/b]
                        Yr	Lg	Wins
                        1917	AL	23.63
                        1911	AL	22.70
                        1910	AL	22.33
                        1909	AL	21.50
                        1907	AL	20.94
                        1915	AL	18.91
                        1912	AL	17.47
                        1916	AL	16.20
                        1908	AL	14.84
                        1918	AL	12.80
                        1913	AL	12.62
                        1921	AL	12.60
                        1919	AL	12.48
                        1922	AL	12.14
                        1925	AL	11.26
                        1924	AL	10.21
                        1914	AL	8.88
                        1923	AL	8.68
                        1927	AL	8.68
                        1906	AL	7.00
                        1920	AL	6.27
                        1928	AL	5.72
                        1926	AL	3.84
                        1905	AL	1.21
                        
                        [b]Mickey Mantle[/b]
                        Yr	Lg	Wins
                        1956	AL	23.10
                        1957	AL	20.44
                        1961	AL	19.06
                        1958	AL	17.58
                        1955	AL	17.49
                        1962	AL	16.05
                        1964	AL	14.73
                        1954	AL	14.48
                        1960	AL	13.91
                        1959	AL	13.46
                        1952	AL	12.04
                        1953	AL	10.32
                        1966	AL	8.11
                        1968	AL	7.80
                        1967	AL	7.61
                        1963	AL	6.65
                        1965	AL	6.03
                        1951	AL	4.16
                        
                        [b]Tris Speaker[/b]
                        Yr	Lg	Wins
                        1912	AL	23.01
                        1914	AL	18.96
                        1916	AL	18.45
                        1913	AL	18.28
                        1923	AL	17.01
                        1920	AL	16.79
                        1910	AL	15.82
                        1915	AL	15.46
                        1909	AL	14.17
                        1921	AL	14.07
                        1922	AL	13.55
                        1926	AL	13.27
                        1925	AL	13.22
                        1917	AL	12.74
                        1911	AL	12.24
                        1919	AL	11.26
                        1918	AL	11.05
                        1924	AL	9.01
                        1927	AL	7.96
                        1928	AL	2.17
                        1908	AL	1.08
                        1907	AL	-0.11
                        
                        [b]Joe Morgan[/b]
                        Yr	Lg	WinTotal
                        1975	NL	22.16
                        1973	NL	19.17
                        1974	NL	17.31
                        1972	NL	17.30
                        1976	NL	17.19
                        1971	NL	13.51
                        1977	NL	13.12
                        1982	NL	11.28
                        1965	NL	10.61
                        1970	NL	9.51
                        1967	NL	9.41
                        1969	NL	8.62
                        1979	NL	7.61
                        1983	NL	7.45
                        1966	NL	7.35
                        1980	NL	6.60
                        1978	NL	6.07
                        1981	NL	5.48
                        1984	AL	4.17
                        1968	NL	0.91
                        1963	NL	0.35
                        1964	NL	0.17
                        
                        [b]Rogers Hornsby[/b]
                        Yr	Lg	Wins
                        1924	NL	21.10
                        1922	NL	20.58
                        1921	NL	19.90
                        1925	NL	18.81
                        1927	NL	17.69
                        1929	NL	17.50
                        1920	NL	16.34
                        1928	NL	15.39
                        1917	NL	12.07
                        1923	NL	11.22
                        1931	NL	10.15
                        1919	NL	9.15
                        1926	NL	8.81
                        1916	NL	8.49
                        1918	NL	7.39
                        1933	NL	2.29
                        1930	NL	1.09
                        1937	AL	0.51
                        1932	NL	0.43
                        1936	AL	0.06
                        1915	NL	0.06
                        1935	AL	0.03
                        
                        [b]Eddie Collins[/b]
                        Yr	Lg	Wins
                        1909	AL	19.04
                        1914	AL	19.02
                        1913	AL	18.63
                        1910	AL	17.70
                        1912	AL	17.36
                        1915	AL	17.14
                        1911	AL	16.00
                        1920	AL	15.31
                        1917	AL	13.83
                        1916	AL	12.03
                        1924	AL	11.20
                        1919	AL	10.45
                        1923	AL	10.26
                        1925	AL	10.02
                        1921	AL	9.57
                        1922	AL	8.94
                        1926	AL	7.87
                        1918	AL	6.87
                        1927	AL	4.58
                        1908	AL	4.39
                        1907	AL	0.33
                        1906	AL	0.00
                        
                        [b]Nap Lajoie[/b]
                        Yr	Lg	Wins
                        1901	AL	21.51
                        1904	AL	20.58
                        1910	AL	17.19
                        1906	AL	15.46
                        1908	AL	13.97
                        1903	AL	13.75
                        1907	AL	11.85
                        1898	NL	10.62
                        1909	AL	10.45
                        1902	AL	10.45
                        1897	NL	10.02
                        1913	AL	9.68
                        1900	NL	8.96
                        1912	AL	8.05
                        1899	NL	7.87
                        1911	AL	4.84
                        1905	AL	4.77
                        1915	AL	4.28
                        1914	AL	3.59
                        1896	NL	2.04
                        1916	AL	1.91

                        Comment


                        • Can I see the total PCA (offense and defense) for

                          Joe Dimaggio
                          Jimmie Foxx
                          Lou Gehrig
                          Joe Gordon
                          Alex Rodriguez
                          "I was pitching one day when my glasses clouded up on me. I took them off to polish them. When I looked up to the plate, I saw Jimmie Foxx. The sight of him terrified me so much that I haven't been able to wear glasses since." - Left Gomez

                          "(Lou) Gehrig never learned that a ballplayer couldn't be good every day." - Hank Gowdy

                          Comment


                          • ->
                            Code:
                            [b]Joe Dimaggio[/b]
                            Yr	Lg	Wins
                            1941	AL	18.47
                            1937	AL	18.06
                            1948	AL	16.59
                            1939	AL	14.72
                            1940	AL	13.72
                            1950	AL	12.38
                            1938	AL	12.14
                            1942	AL	11.55
                            1947	AL	10.81
                            1936	AL	10.28
                            1946	AL	9.64
                            1949	AL	9.47
                            1951	AL	5.49
                            
                            [b]Jimmie Foxx[/b]
                            Yr	Lg	Wins
                            1932	AL	20.57
                            1938	AL	16.65
                            1935	AL	15.57
                            1934	AL	15.56
                            1936	AL	15.04
                            1929	AL	14.97
                            1930	AL	13.89
                            1933	AL	13.47
                            1939	AL	13.01
                            1937	AL	10.52
                            1931	AL	8.45
                            1940	AL	8.43
                            1928	AL	7.53
                            1941	AL	6.45
                            1945	NL	2.49
                            1927	AL	1.97
                            1942	NL	1.76
                            1942	AL	1.38
                            1926	AL	0.35
                            1944	NL	-0.20
                            
                            [b]Lou Gehrig[/b]
                            Yr	Lg	Wins
                            1934	AL	19.94
                            1935	AL	18.93
                            1936	AL	18.67
                            1927	AL	18.13
                            1928	AL	17.13
                            1932	AL	16.18
                            1937	AL	15.83
                            1931	AL	15.45
                            1930	AL	15.37
                            1929	AL	13.97
                            1926	AL	11.39
                            1933	AL	10.87
                            1938	AL	8.42
                            1925	AL	7.00
                            1923	AL	0.81
                            1924	AL	0.30
                            1939	AL	-0.05
                            
                            [b]Joe Gordon[/b]
                            Yr	Lg	Wins
                            1940	AL	12.05
                            1942	AL	11.43
                            1947	AL	10.92
                            1948	AL	10.79
                            1939	AL	10.59
                            1941	AL	10.40
                            1943	AL	9.94
                            1938	AL	8.83
                            1949	AL	7.03
                            1950	AL	4.59
                            1946	AL	4.31
                            
                            [b]Alex Rodriguez[/b]
                            Yr	Lg	Wins
                            2000	AL	17.94
                            2001	AL	16.61
                            2002	AL	15.81
                            2005    AL      15.05
                            2003	AL	14.81
                            1996	AL	14.27
                            1998	AL	11.47
                            2004	AL	10.85
                            1999	AL	8.77
                            1997	AL	7.38
                            1995	AL	0.66
                            1994	AL	-0.04

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                            • What metrics do you use for pitchers?
                              "I was pitching one day when my glasses clouded up on me. I took them off to polish them. When I looked up to the plate, I saw Jimmie Foxx. The sight of him terrified me so much that I haven't been able to wear glasses since." - Left Gomez

                              "(Lou) Gehrig never learned that a ballplayer couldn't be good every day." - Hank Gowdy

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                              • see: http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=48386

                                That's the method I used to rate pitchers for PCA (the first post).

                                I refined it later in that thread but my available player ratings are still in the old format (at least the ones that have been converted in pitching wins).

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