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  • #31
    I haven't announced this publicly yet, as still doing some audit checks, but at seamheads.com we did a major upgrade/change to our Ballpark and Strength of Schedule adjustments. For MOST players, the change impact is minor. However, the change does impact nearly every player's WAR, WAA, WAG, OPS+ and ERA+ by a little. More detailed info about the change will be posted on the site in a few days. In the meantime, feel free to browse the players, and let me know if anything looks wildly out of wack.

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    • #32
      A thought provoking article on how many Negro Leaguers should be honored. I'm not sure I like that quota approach, but it certainly indicates why we might be short, especially among managers from the Negro Leagues.: https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2019/0...y-the-numbers/
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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      • #33
        An excited that the guys are tackling putting Negro League greats in the Hall of Miller and Eric:
        https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2019/0...ections-begin/
        Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
        http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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        • #34
          Originally posted by KJOK View Post
          I haven't announced this publicly yet, as still doing some audit checks, but at seamheads.com we did a major upgrade/change to our Ballpark and Strength of Schedule adjustments. For MOST players, the change impact is minor. However, the change does impact nearly every player's WAR, WAA, WAG, OPS+ and ERA+ by a little. More detailed info about the change will be posted on the site in a few days. In the meantime, feel free to browse the players, and let me know if anything looks wildly out of wack.
          Thank you my friend.
          "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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          • #35
            Major updates today...https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2019/0...egro-leaguers/
            Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
            http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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            • #36
              They have been inducting Negro Leaguers into the HOME now for about four months. They are going to match Cooperstown's total so that's 29 players.

              HOME Negro League Inductees

              1. Satchel Paige
              2. Josh Gibson
              3. Oscar Charleston
              4. Martin Dihigo
              5. Pop Lloyd
              6. Willie Wells
              7. Smoky Joe Williams
              8. Monte Irvin
              9. Biz Mackey
              10. Cannonball Dick Redding*
              11. Bullet Rogan
              12. Louis Santop
              13. Cristobal Torriente
              14. Jud Wilson
              15. Buck Leonard
              16. Jose Mendez
              17. Dobie Moore*
              18. Turkey Stearnes
              19. Quincy Trouppe*
              20. Home Run Johnson*
              21. Pete Hill
              22. Rube Foster*#
              23. Dick Lundy*
              24. ?
              25. ?
              26. ?
              27. ?
              28. ?
              29. ?

              * indicates player is NOT in Cooperstown
              # Foster was inducted to Cooperstown, but primarily for his managerial career
              Last edited by Chadwick; 08-23-2019, 05:49 PM.
              "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
              "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
              "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
              "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Chadwick View Post
                They have been inducting Negro Leaguers into the HOME now for about four months. They are going to match Cooperstown's total so that's 29 players.

                HOME Negro League Inductees

                1. Satchel Paige
                2. Josh Gibson
                3. Oscar Charleston
                4. Martin Dihigo
                5. Pop Lloyd
                6. Willie Wells
                7. Smoky Joe Williams
                8. Monte Irvin
                9. Biz Mackey
                10. Cannonball Dick Redding*
                11. Bullet Rogan
                12. Louis Santop
                13. Cristobal Torriente
                14. Jud Wilson
                15. Buck Leonard
                16. Jose Mendez
                17. Dobie Moore*
                18. Turkey Stearnes
                19. Quincy Trouppe*
                20. Home Run Johnson*
                21. ?
                22. ?
                23. ?
                24. ?
                25. ?
                26. ?
                27. ?
                28. ?
                29. ?

                * indicates player is NOT in Cooperstown

                #21 due to be released on Friday.
                Thanks for sharing/updating, this weeks column mentions a potential delay for additional data, I'm very excited to see how picks 21-29 unfold
                Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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                • #38
                  Pete Hill is #21. The pace of publication has slowed somewhat, but these are still coming out. Eight more to go.
                  "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                  "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                  "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                  "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                  • #39
                    Dick Lundy is the 23rd Negro League player elected to the Hall of Merit.

                    They have been inducting Negro Leaguers into the HOME now for about four months. They are going to match Cooperstown's total so that's 29 players.

                    HOME Negro League Inductees

                    1. Satchel Paige
                    2. Josh Gibson
                    3. Oscar Charleston
                    4. Martin Dihigo
                    5. Pop Lloyd
                    6. Willie Wells
                    7. Smoky Joe Williams
                    8. Monte Irvin
                    9. Biz Mackey
                    10. Cannonball Dick Redding*
                    11. Bullet Rogan
                    12. Louis Santop
                    13. Cristobal Torriente
                    14. Jud Wilson
                    15. Buck Leonard
                    16. Jose Mendez
                    17. Dobie Moore*
                    18. Turkey Stearnes
                    19. Quincy Trouppe*
                    20. Home Run Johnson*
                    21. Pete Hill
                    22. Rube Foster*#
                    23. Dick Lundy*
                    24. Marvin Williams*
                    25. Webster McDonald*
                    26. John Beckwith*
                    27. ?
                    28. ?
                    29. ?

                    * indicates player is NOT in Cooperstown
                    # Foster was inducted to Cooperstown, but primarily for his managerial career
                    Last edited by Chadwick; 09-15-2019, 08:35 AM.
                    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                    • #40
                      Congrats to Marvin Williams, the 24th inductee...https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2019/0...ro-leagues-24/
                      Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                      http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
                        Congrats to Marvin Williams, the 24th inductee...https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2019/0...ro-leagues-24/
                        That seems like a pretty big stretch.
                        "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                          That seems like a pretty big stretch.
                          Why is that?
                          Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                          http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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                          • #43
                            #25, honors go to Webster McDonald...https://homemlb.wordpress.com/2019/0...ro-leagues-25/
                            Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                            http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post

                              Why is that?
                              I heard the name years ago. There is probably new information I didn't have. I had a lot of info on probably 50-60 pre-integration players consolidated individually to get a hold on career narratives and peer perception.

                              Also, I know perception of Mule Suttles was changing slightly for the worse 4-5 years ago. Apparently he has totally fallen off the map because he hasn't even been included. Same with Cool Papa Bell, whose reputation had slid considerably by 2010.
                              "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                              • #45
                                Eric and Miller have been inducting Negro Leaguers into their HOME throughout the year. They will match Cooperstown's total of 29 players. The hypertext link for each player leads to the relevant HOME announcement.

                                HOME Negro League Inductees
                                1. Satchel Paige
                                2. Josh Gibson
                                3. Oscar Charleston
                                4. Martin Dihigo
                                5. Pop Lloyd
                                6. Willie Wells
                                7. Smoky Joe Williams
                                8. Monte Irvin
                                9. Biz Mackey
                                10. Cannonball Dick Redding*
                                11. Bullet Rogan
                                12. Louis Santop
                                13. Cristobal Torriente
                                14. Jud Wilson
                                15. Buck Leonard
                                16. Jose Mendez
                                17. Dobie Moore*
                                18. Turkey Stearnes
                                19. Quincy Trouppe*
                                20. Home Run Johnson*
                                21. Pete Hill
                                22. Rube Foster#
                                23. Dick Lundy*
                                24. Marvin Williams*
                                25. Webster McDonald*
                                26. John Beckwith*
                                27. Roosevelt Davis*
                                28. ?
                                29. ?

                                * indicates player is NOT in Cooperstown
                                # inducted into Cooperstown, but as a manager
                                Last edited by Chadwick; 09-20-2019, 08:56 AM.
                                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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