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  • 3rd Greatest Negro League Player

    Congratulations to Josh Gibson, for winning 2nd Greatest Negro L. Player! He won 12 of our 15 votes (80%). Josh beat out the great legend, John Lloyd who received 2 votes (13%).

    Ironically, in our first poll, Josh presently lead Oscar 19-16! Talk about strange. Maybe I closed that poll too soon.

    This round for our 3rd Greatest Negro L. Player is now open! Let the Games Begin!

    1. Oscar Charleston
    2. Josh Gibson

    As per our usual, please consider everything. Counting totals, peak, longevity, special skills, etc. Thanks, guys.

    We are now ONLY voting for the 2nd Greatest Negro L. Player. Only vote for ONE PERSON.

    Normally, we would close the poll after 10 days, but in this case, we will remain open until we get at least 15 voters.
    John Lloyd
    Biz Mackey
    John Beckwith
    Cristobal Torrienti
    Mule Suttles
    Buck Leonard
    Cool Papa Bell
    Martin Dihigo
    Pete Hill
    Louis 'Santop' Loftin
    other, please explain

  • #2
    Form Chart:

    C James "Biz" Mackay, Bruce Petway, Larry Brown, Frank Duncan, "Double Duty" Radcliffe, Louis "Santop" Loftin, Quincy Trouppe.

    1B Buck Leonard, Ben Taylor

    2B Elwood "Bingo" DeMoss

    SS John "Pop" Lloyd, John Beckwith, Willie Wells,

    3B Judy Johnson, Ray Dandridge, Oliver Marcell

    LF Mule Suttles

    CF Oscar Charleston, "Cool Papa" Bell, Carlos Torriente, Spot Poles, Pete Hill, Martin Dihigo

    RF Monte Irvin, Turkey Stearnes
    Here are some background Reference Resources:

    It might serve a purpose to see how many former members of the Negro Leagues have presently been enshrined.

    1971 - Satchel Paige --------- Negro L. committee
    1972 - Josh Gibson --------- Negro L. committe
    1972 - Buck Leonard --------- Negro L. committee
    1973 - Monte Irvin ---------- Negro L. committee
    1974 - "Cool Papa" Bell -------- Negro L. committee
    1975 - Judy Johnson -------- Negro L. committee
    1976 - Oscar Charleston ------ Negro L. committee
    1977 - Martin Dihigo -------- Negro L. committee
    1977 - "Pop" Lloyd -------- Negro L. committee

    1981 - Rube Foster - ---------Veterans committee
    1987 - Ray Dandridge ---------- Veterans committee
    1995 - Leon Day ----------- Veterans committee
    1996 - Willie Foster ----------- Veterans committee
    1997 - Willie Wells ------------ Veterans committee
    1998 - Bullet Joe Rogan --------- Veterans committee
    1999 - Smokey Joe Williams ------ Veterans committee
    2000 - Turkey Stearns ----------- Veterans committee
    2001 - Hilton Smith - -------------Veterans committee
    A. In 1952, the Pittsburgh Courier polled 31 Negro league players, writers, officials and managers and they
    selected the following team:

    A Team------------------------B Team

    1B - Buck Leonard-----------1B - Ben Taylor
    2B - Jackie Robinson---------2B - Bingo DeMoss
    SS - John Henry Lloyd-------SS - Willie Wells
    3B - Oliver Marcell-----------3B - Judy Johnson
    LF - Monte Irvin-------------LF - Pete Hill
    CF - Oscar Charleston-------CF - Cool Papa Bell
    RF - Christobal Torriente----RF - Chino Smith
    C - Josh Gibson / Biz Mackey-C - Campanella / Bruce Petway
    P - Smokey Joe Williams------P - Dave Brown
    P - Satchel Paige------------P - Cannonball Dick Redding
    P - Bullet Joe Rogan---------P - Nip Winters
    P - John Donaldson ----------P - Dizzy Dismukes
    P - Willie Foster-------------P - Don Newcombe
    Utility OF - Martin Dihigo---Utility 1B - John Beckwith
    Utility IF - Martin Dihigo----Utility 1B - Newt Allen
    Utility IF - Sam Banheart---Utility - Clint Thomas
    Coaches - Dizzy Dismukes--coaches - C. I. Taylor
    Coaches - Danny McClelland--coaches - Dave Malarcher
    Manager = Rube Foster-------Manager - Cum Posey
    The Pittsburgh Courier, a black newspaper, polled its fans in 1952. Their readers listed the following players into 5 teams:

    First team: (1B) Buck Leonard, (2B) Jackie Robinson, (SS) Pop Lloyd, (3B) Oliver Marcelle, (OF) Monte Irvin, (OF) Oscar Charleston, (OF) Cristobel Torriente, (C) Josh Gibson, (C) Biz Mackey, (P) Joe Williams, (P) Satchel Paige, (P) Bullet Rogan, (P) John Dondaldson, (P) Bill Foster, (Utility) Martin Dihigo, (Utility) Sam Bankhead, (Mgr) Rube Foster, (Coach) Dizzy Dismukes, (Coach) Danny McClellan.

    Second Team: (1B) Ben Taylor, (2B) Bingo DeMoss, (SS) Willie Wells, (3B) Judy Johnson, (OF) Pete Hill, (OF) Cool Papa Bell, (OF) Chino Smith, (C) Roy Campanella, (C) Bruce Petway, (P) Dave Brown, (P) Dick Redding, (P) Nip Winters, (P) Dizzy Dismukes, (P) Don Newcombe, (Utility) John Beckwith, (Utility) Newt Allen, (Mgr) Cum Posey, (Coach) C.I. Taylor, (Coach) Dave Malarcher.

    Third Team: (1B) Jud Wilson, (2B) Bill Monroe, (SS) Dick Lundy, (3B) Jud Wilson, (OF) Rap Dixon, (OF) Larry Doby, (OF) Fats Jenkins, (C) Double Duty Radcliffe, (C) Louis Santop, (P) Slim Jones, (P) Bill Holland, (P) Phil Cockrell, (P) Webster McDonald, (P) Bill Byrd, (Utility) Emmett Bowman, (Utility) Dick Wallace, (Mgr) Ed Bolden.

    Fourth Team: (1B) Ed Douglas, (2B) George Scales, (SS) Doby Moore, (3B) Ray Dandridge, (OF) Jimmy Lyons, (OF) Mule Suttles, (OF) Spotswood Poles, (C) Frank Duncan, (C) Bill Perkins, (P) Double Duty Radcliffe, (P) Frank Wickware, (P) Danny McClellan, (P) Leon Day, (P) Bill Jackman, (Utility) Rev Cannady, (Utility) Jose Mendez, (Mgr) Vic Harris.

    Fifth Team: (1B) George Carr, (2B) Bunny Downs, (SS) Pelayo Chacon, (3B) Dave Malarcher, (OF) Frank Duncan, (OF) Turkey Stearnes, (OF) Jelly Gardner, (C) Doc Wiley, (C) Speck Webster, (P) Stringbean Williams, (P) Ray Brown, (P) Rats Henderson, (P) Luis Tiant, (P) Leroy Matlock.

    Others receiving votes: (1B) Leroy Grant, Mule Suttles; (2B) Nate Harris, Sammy T. Hughes, Frank Warfield, Ray Dandridge, George Wright, Harry Williams; (SS) Gerard Williams, Bobby Williams, Morton Clark; (3B) Bill Francis, Jim Taylor; (OF) Minnie Minoso, Jap Payne, Blaine Hall, Ted Strong, Ted Page, Vic Harris; (P) Jose Mendez, Laymon Yokely.

    *Some players that weren't listed but could have been: (1B) Buck O'Neil, Red Moore, Steel Arm Davis, George Giles; (2B) Bonnie Serrell; (SS) Jake Stephens; (3B) Alec Radcliffe, Bobby Robinson; (OF) Jumbo Kimbro, Willard Brown, Bill Wright, Neil Robinson, Ducky Davenport; (C) Quincy Trouppe, Larry Brown, Buck Ewing, Pops Coleman; (P) Chet Brewer, Hilton Smith, Barney Brown, Ted Trent, Max Manning, Sug Cornelius, Harry Salmon, Barney Morris; (Mgr) Buck O'Neil, Double Duty Radcliffe, Quincy Trouppe.


    • #3
      Might I persuade any of you guys to consider voting in our other Negro League polls?

      8th Greatest Negro League Pitcher

      6th Greatest Negro League Hitter
      Last edited by Bill Burgess; 05-12-2009, 07:26 PM.


      • #4
        C'mon, yall. Only 1 more vote and we can move on.


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