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  • EvanAparra
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    Originally posted by EdmondsFan#1
    And if the fastest pitch ever is 100.9 by Nolan Ryan, according to wikipedia and Guiness Book of World Records, then they are wrong because Joel Zumaya threw a 103 Mph several times this year.

    and 102 consistently.
    On non-official radar guns.

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  • EdmondsFan#1
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    Originally posted by billforn
    Back in the 1940s, Bob Feller was clocked by a photo cell device at 107 mph. This device predates radar guns and is considered to be more accurate than radar guns. In fact, from my understanding, to this day the U.S. military still uses the photo cell technology because of its precision.
    That wouldn't suprise me. Satchel Paige claims that Bob Feller is the hardest pitcher he has ever saw and no human can throw harder then him or something like that. And Satchel Paige was measured at 99.6 mph, by feet traveled per second...

    And if the fastest pitch ever is 100.9 by Nolan Ryan, according to wikipedia and Guiness Book of World Records, then they are wrong because Joel Zumaya threw a 103 Mph several times this year.

    and 102 consistently.

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  • Old Sweater
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    After reading this thread I would have to say they are using a steroid juiced radar gun in this years playoff telecasts. Zumaya has had numerous pitches at 103, Verlander a bunch at 101. They had Joe Kennedy at 97 and he topped out at 92 here in Colorado. I always thought J.R. Richard of the Astros had the fastest recorded. Ted Williams said the fastest he faced was a AAA pitcher hands down. Forget the name but Williams said this pitchers arm went dead on a throw to first of all things.

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  • Bigrcube
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    Correct, the Nolan Ryan pitch was measured at 100.9 mph, by Rockwell International scientists with their own equipment.
    It happened in the 9th inning, in a game that he struck out 19 batters for the 3rd time that season.
    The Angels ended up losing the game, 1-0 in 11-innings to the Detroit Tigers.

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  • EvanAparra
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    So you are saying that Ryan throws about 6 mph faster than Zumaya? I dont believe that at all.

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  • Ledfut13
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    Just thought I would contribute to your "Fastest Fastball" discussion. I agree that it is impossibe to come up with a definitive answer to who is/was the fastest. There are just too many variables involved, a couple of which have not been brought up yet in this thread.

    Here is a link to a very interesting article:

    http://community.foxsports.com/blogs..._of_Fame/33454

    The points made in this article are worth noting. Most modern radar guns take a reading as soon as the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. In the case of Nolan Ryan's record setting pitch the reading was taken 10 feet in front of home plate. This makes a HUGE difference, as outlined in the article.

    Here is another noteworthy link:

    http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/m...=.jsp&c_id=nym

    It is interesting to see that Joel Zumaya's 103mph pitch was only travelling 93.4 mph when it reached home plate. To put things in perspective, Ryan's pitch was still travelling 102 mph only 10 feet in front of home plate. If Nolan Ryan were to have thrown his "record setting" pitch in 2006, it would probably have shown a reading of 107-108 mph on a modern radar gun (maybe higher) with a reading taken as soon as the ball left his hand. Conversely, if Zumaya had thrown his 103 mph pitch back in '73 or '74 the reading 10 feet in front of the plate would most likely have been in the neighborhood of 95-96 mph. I am only using Ryan as a reference point. I think it is fairly well established that there were others who threw harder. It is scary to imagine what Dalkowski would have registered on the modern radar guns!

    Regardless of what FOX or MLB would have you believe (it can only help ratings), Zumaya is NOT throwing the baseball at record-breaking speeds. Unfortunately, millions of fans viewing these games do not know any better and are being duped.

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  • Seattle1
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    That's what I was thinking too, probably Zumaya or Johnson.

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  • janduscframe
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    Great discussion. I admit to having neaver heard of this Weinek guy. I do remember the name Rittwage though. He didn't much at all for the Tribe.I don't recall anything in regards to him being a flame thrower.Born in 45? I'm doing it from memory.Other flame throwing namers who didn't cut it was a Thomphson who pitched for Cleveland and wound up a bartender in Colorado and Steve Dunning of the Tribe who threw the only shut out in that band box in Sacramento against the Brewers triple A team. Dalk,got any info on those folks? Did Cleveland have a love thing for hard throwers who didn't know how to pitch?

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  • Charger567
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    I saw Matt Anderson (think that's his name) throwing 103 against the Sox a few years back. It was definately wrong though.

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  • northside
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    I remember hearing of Dalkowski when I was a young kid. I actually got to see Eddie Feigner throw a softball and that was amazing to see. Wish I could have seen Dalkowski.

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  • Dalkowski110
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    That'd be Doug Harvey's mask. Yes, THAT Doug Harvey. Harvey is yet another guy who maintains that Dalkowski was the fastest to ever pitch.

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  • northside
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    Ernie Harwell brought up Steve Dalkowski during last nights Tiger's game. He said he broke an umpire's mask.

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  • Solair Wright
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    Didn't Mark Wohlers throw a 103mph fastball once or was clocked at 103mph? For example, a fictional Dodgers pitcher, Greg Brule, threw a 101mph heater in 1991 at Dodger Stadium. Of course it didn't happen in real life, but it could happen with a starter. John Smoltz or Greg Maddux never threw >100mph pitches in real life, but some starters once threw one of them heaters.

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  • Ursa Major
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    Part of the issue is where the clocking occurs -- as the ball comes out of the pitcher's hand (and for how far?) or as nears the plate (at which time it may have slowed down up to 5 MPH).

    Also, batters' memories may be affected by a number of factors, including the release point and the pitcher's motion. Y'all heard of "sneaky fast" -- i.e., where the pitcher's delivery seems slow and then he speeds up at the end, so it looks like the ball is coming out at 105? Lefthanded "dart throwers" like Sid Fernandex are notorious for picking up a few faux MPH on their fast balls that way. Recollections from Spring Training are notoriously suspect, as batters' timing often hasn't caught up to the pitchers (who arrive earlier than position players).

    I find it interesting that it's alway Ted Williams (or some other top hitter) who's always being quoted as saying that a certain pitcher (a) is the fastest, or (b) has the biggest breaking curve, etc. How come no one quotes a second string catcher who's had the chance to compare the same pitchers as Williams? In other words, some of these tales may be .... apocryphal.

    In any case, your scholarship is very much appreciated, Dalkowski. Here's a toast to big Steve.... or maybe we shouldn't.

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  • cordovabob529
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    103

    In the second game of the division series today (Tigers at Yankee Stadium), Zumaya was consistantly being clocked at 103mph. A-Rod struck out on a pitch that the announcers called a 101 mph "changeup".



    Originally posted by robert erkkila
    Joel Zumaya the young Tigers reliever regularly is clocked at 99-102 mph in every game he pitches. On at least one occasion this year I remember the radar displaying him reaching 103 mph. I believe he is consistenly the hardest thrower in the major leagues.

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