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    I was 28 before I made the majors.I was part of the regular starting rotation as a rookie for these World Series champs. That was about it. My arm went south and that was that. I did become the first Venezuelan to pitch in the series though. And the name is ...........

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    Les Straker!
    46 wins to match last year's total

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    • #3
      Born October 10, 1959 in Ciudad Bolivar, Venezuela; played for the World Champion '87 Twins in his first year. He's my guess, too.
      GOT ALBERT?
      St. Louis Cardinals BBFTG Website
      http://www.freewebs.com/bbftg6/

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      • #4
        Pretty obscure answer. But correct. Actually he was 27 based on his late birthday. My fault..
        How about the first 'Mexican born' to win 20 in a season?

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        • #5
          Two did it in the same year: Fernando Valenzuela and Teddy Higuera in 1986
          46 wins to match last year's total

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          • #6
            But Higuera did it first by just a few days.. I was hoping to get someone to just say Valenzuela.

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            • #7
              Whoops. Sorry if I ruined that.
              46 wins to match last year's total

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              • #8
                Originally posted by janduscframe
                But Higuera did it first by just a few days.. I was hoping to get someone to just say Valenzuela.
                According to retrosheet.org Higuera won his 20th game against Baltimore on 9/25/1986. Valenzuela won his against Houston on 9/22/1986 so actually Valenzuela did it 3 days before Higuera.

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                • #9
                  Really? I better do some checking as I thought Higuera did it first..It wouldn't be the first time I'm wrong...

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                  • #10
                    Yeah, retrosheet shows Valenzuela first. The baseball library though says it was Higuera. While the baseball library is a great site, I'd have to side with the retro box scores I think...That's about half a dozen errors I've run across there. Still a pretty small percentage considering all the info they have. Thanks for the correction Utter...

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by janduscframe
                      Yeah, retrosheet shows Valenzuela first. The baseball library though says it was Higuera. While the baseball library is a great site, I'd have to side with the retro box scores I think...That's about half a dozen errors I've run across there. Still a pretty small percentage considering all the info they have. Thanks for the correction Utter...
                      Yeah, www.baseballlibrary.com has some great information but I've noticed some erroneous information there as well. Check out Dutch Leonard. Look under June 11, 1913 and you'll read that he was on the mound during two steals of home. He would have been 4 years old at the time. If you look at Fernando's information you'll find this:

                      September 22, 1986: Dodgers ace Fernando Valenzuela becomes the National League's first 20-game winner this season, beating the Astros 9–2 on two hits. He's the first Mexican to win 20 games in a season.

                      So according to the website both pitchers were the first to Mexican win 20 games.

                      I also noticed a couple of other connections between the two pitchers. Higuera's full name is Teodoro Higuera Valenzuela. And in the 1986 All-Star game Fernando tied Carl Hubbell's record by striking out 5 batters in a row. The 5th strikeout victim was Ted Higuera.

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                      • #12
                        If I remember correctly I think Higuera struck out quite a few batters in the 86 All Star game too? Do you know where that info is? How many times did both All Star teams have a Mexican born pitcher on the roster prior to that? This isn't trivia, just a question...
                        The hispanic names can get confusing..I think that backup Reds catcher is really Jose Valentine just like his brother,but he goes by (I forget,Javie? or Javier?)
                        Would it be appropriate if someone like West Coast would explain in this forum how the names work? I'm curious...For example why did Teddy Higuera go by that name instead of Teddy Valenzuela? I know how the Scandanavian names work but not hispanic..
                        Westy, here's your chance to educate a dumb Norwegian and anyone else looking in .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by janduscframe
                          If I remember correctly I think Higuera struck out quite a few batters in the 86 All Star game too? Do you know where that info is?
                          Higuera had two strikeouts in 3 innings.
                          http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/ASSched.htm

                          Originally posted by janduscframe
                          The hispanic names can get confusing. Would it be appropriate if someone like West Coast would explain in this forum how the names work? I'm curious...For example why did Teddy Higuera go by that name instead of Teddy Valenzuela? I know how the Scandanavian names work but not hispanic.
                          The Hispanic custom is to include the mother's maiden name last. So Ted Higuera's mother was Miss Valenzuela before she married. Fernando's mom was Miss Anguamea. That is why Roberto Clemente's HOF plaque had to be changed from Roberto Walker Clemente to Roberto Clemente Walker.

                          Originally posted by janduscframe
                          How many times did both All Star teams have a Mexican born pitcher on the roster prior to that? This isn't trivia, just a question...
                          Here's a list of 58 Mexican born players that have pitched up to 2004. Not too many all-stars on the list so 1986 might be the only time.

                          Code:
                          Name	Years
                          Jesse Flores	1942-1950
                          Bobby Herrera	1951-1951
                          Memo Luna	1954-1954
                          Bob Greenwood	1954-1955
                          Marcelino Solis	1958-1958
                          Jorge Rubio	1966-1967
                          Horacio Pina	1968-1978
                          Vicente Romo	1968-1982
                          Jose Pena	1969-1972
                          Miguel Puente	1970-1970
                          Hector Torres	1972-1972
                          Cy Acosta	1972-1975
                          Max Leon	1973-1978
                          Francisco Barrios	1974-1981
                          Aurelio Lopez	1974-1987
                          Sid Monge	1975-1984
                          Mario Mendoza	1977-1977
                          Enrique Romo	1977-1982
                          Fernando Valenzuela	1980-1997
                          Luis Gomez	1981-1981
                          Angel Moreno	1981-1982
                          Chico Escarrega	1982-1982
                          Salome Barojas	1982-1988
                          Alfonso Pulido	1983-1986
                          Teddy Higuera	1985-1994
                          Vicente Palacios	1987-2000
                          German Jimenez	1988-1988
                          Jose Cecena	1988-1988
                          Rosario Rodriguez	1989-1991
                          Narciso Elvira	1990-1990
                          Hector Fajardo	1991-1995
                          Armando Reynoso	1991-2002
                          Ismael Valdes	1994-2004
                          Isidro Marquez	1995-1995
                          Andres Berumen	1995-1996
                          Tavo Alvarez	1995-1996
                          Juan Acevedo	1995-2003
                          Antonio Osuna	1995-2004
                          Esteban Loaiza	1995-2004
                          Francisco Cordova	1996-2000
                          Jose Silva	1996-2002
                          Elmer Dessens	1996-2004
                          Dennys Reyes	1997-2004
                          Ricardo Rincon	1997-2004
                          Rigo Beltran	1997-2004
                          Roberto Ramirez	1998-1999
                          Miguel del Toro	1999-2000
                          David Cortes	1999-2003
                          Luis Rivera	2000-2000
                          Daniel Garibay	2000-2000
                          Rodrigo Lopez	2000-2004
                          Victor Alvarez	2002-2003
                          Oliver Perez	2002-2004
                          Juan Cerros	2003-2003
                          Oscar Villarreal	2003-2004
                          Luis Ayala	2003-2004
                          Edgar Gonzalez	2003-2004
                          Jorge de la Rosa	2004-2004

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                          • #14
                            Funny how a guy's memory can play tricks. In my mind I see Higuera just mowing them down.... Wrong again. But three shutouts innings ain't bad.
                            Thanks for the Hispanic explanation...

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