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    Comparisons

    Sometimes comparisons can be interesting. This NON-HOF pitcher had more career innings with at least as good of adjusted ERA than Hall of Famers Burleigh Grimes, Ted Lyons, Vic Willis, Waite Hoyt, Jim Bunning, Herb Pennock, Catfish Hunter, Rube Marquard, Jesse Haines, Chief Bender, and Jack Chesbro.
    Among pitchers, he has more Wins Above Replacement than Carl Hubbell, Jim Palmer, Stan Coveleski, Bob Feller, Juan Marichal, Don Drysdale, Three Finger Brown, Whitey Ford and Sandy Koufax. among many others. I think he is the only guy who fits these qualifications.
    Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    Sometimes comparisons can be interesting. This NON-HOF pitcher had more career innings with at least as good of adjusted ERA than Hall of Famers Burleigh Grimes, Ted Lyons, Vic Willis, Waite Hoyt, Jim Bunning, Herb Pennock, Catfish Hunter, Rube Marquard, Jesse Haines, Chief Bender, and Jack Chesbro.
    Among pitchers, he has more Wins Above Replacement than Carl Hubbell, Jim Palmer, Stan Coveleski, Bob Feller, Juan Marichal, Don Drysdale, Three Finger Brown, Whitey Ford and Sandy Koufax. among many others. I think he is the only guy who fits these qualifications.
    Assuming you are only looking for those not yet eligible? Randy Johnson, Greg Maddox and roger Clemens probably fit. Of those eligible, how about Kevin brown?

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    • #3
      If it's not among the currently eligible-not yet eligible crew then my first guess is Tony Mullane.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Brooklyn View Post
        Assuming you are only looking for those not yet eligible? Randy Johnson, Greg Maddox and roger Clemens probably fit. Of those eligible, how about Kevin brown?
        Only those eligible.
        Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
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        • #5
          The first name that jumps to mind is Frank Tanana.
          My top 10 players:

          1. Babe Ruth
          2. Barry Bonds
          3. Ty Cobb
          4. Ted Williams
          5. Willie Mays
          6. Alex Rodriguez
          7. Hank Aaron
          8. Honus Wagner
          9. Lou Gehrig
          10. Mickey Mantle

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          • #6
            David Cone?
            Baseball Junk Drawer

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Brooklyn View Post
              Assuming you are only looking for those not yet eligible? Randy Johnson, Greg Maddox and roger Clemens probably fit. Of those eligible, how about Kevin brown?
              Kevin Brown doesn't have the innings (or the WAR)
              Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
              Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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              • #8
                Originally posted by PVNICK View Post
                If it's not among the currently eligible-not yet eligible crew then my first guess is Tony Mullane.
                Tony Mullane doesn't have the WAR (JUST misses on ERA+)
                Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                  The first name that jumps to mind is Frank Tanana.
                  Frank Tanana doesn't have the ERA+ or the WAR.
                  Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                  Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ian2813 View Post
                    David Cone?
                    Doesn't have the innings, I don't think the WAR either.
                    Is this guy the best pitcher that no one's ever heard?
                    I forgot to mention, he led his league in complete games three times.
                    AND a twenty-game winner ... EIGHT times!
                    Last edited by RuthMayBond; 06-20-2012, 08:29 AM.
                    Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                    Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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                    • #11
                      Every nine-time 20 game winner is in the HOF.
                      My top 10 players:

                      1. Babe Ruth
                      2. Barry Bonds
                      3. Ty Cobb
                      4. Ted Williams
                      5. Willie Mays
                      6. Alex Rodriguez
                      7. Hank Aaron
                      8. Honus Wagner
                      9. Lou Gehrig
                      10. Mickey Mantle

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                        Every nine-time 20 game winner is in the HOF.
                        My bad, I counted wrong because of split seasons.
                        Eight-time 20 wins
                        Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                        Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
                          My bad, I counted wrong because of split seasons.
                          Eight-time 20 wins
                          Gotta be a 19th century / turn of the centry guy. Bobby Mathews or Jim McCormick?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Brooklyn View Post
                            Gotta be a 19th century / turn of the centry guy. Bobby Mathews or Jim McCormick?
                            You got it the second time. :bowdown:
                            Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                            Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

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