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  • Joey Votto's Season

    Just noticed that Votto led the NL in Walks this season despite only playing in 111 games. Has there ever been a player who led his league in a major counting-stat despite missing so many games (51)?

    I know Bonds didn't qualify for the batting title in '06 or '07 yet led the league in walks both seasons...but he had more games and PA in each of those years than Votto had this year.
    My top 10 players:

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Barry Bonds
    3. Ty Cobb
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Willie Mays
    6. Alex Rodriguez
    7. Hank Aaron
    8. Honus Wagner
    9. Lou Gehrig
    10. Mickey Mantle

  • #2
    I assume you don't mean any of the pitching stats as major counting stats in this question...

    The only similar case that I can think of is the now-removed batting championship of Taffy Wright in 1938. He hit .350 in exactly 100 games, which was the minimum number required to qualify you for the batting championship. They now have given the award to Ernie Lombardi, who hit .342 in 129 games.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Gee Walker View Post
      I assume you don't mean any of the pitching stats as major counting stats in this question...

      The only similar case that I can think of is the now-removed batting championship of Taffy Wright in 1938. He hit .350 in exactly 100 games, which was the minimum number required to qualify you for the batting championship. They now have given the award to Ernie Lombardi, who hit .342 in 129 games.
      I'm only asking about counting stats. Leading in batting average or any other rate stat over a short number of games is not impressive.

      Pitching stats which are counting stats (strikeouts, walks, etc.) would count too, but obviously not something like ERA. And we'd have to do it based on fewest IP or fewest starts or something.
      My top 10 players:

      1. Babe Ruth
      2. Barry Bonds
      3. Ty Cobb
      4. Ted Williams
      5. Willie Mays
      6. Alex Rodriguez
      7. Hank Aaron
      8. Honus Wagner
      9. Lou Gehrig
      10. Mickey Mantle

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      • #4
        Not exactly a major counting stat, but Carlos Quentin led the NL in HBP this year. He was hit 12 times in only 86 games.

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        • #5
          Ruth lead in home runs (and Ks) in 95 games.

          Harry Davis also lead in home runs in 102 out of 145.
          Last edited by brett; 10-05-2012, 01:23 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gee Walker View Post
            Not exactly a major counting stat, but Carlos Quentin led the NL in HBP this year. He was hit 12 times in only 86 games.
            Originally posted by brett View Post
            Ruth lead in home runs (and Ks) in 95 games.

            Harry Davis also lead in home runs in 102 out of 145.
            Good work. These are the kinds of things I'm looking for.
            My top 10 players:

            1. Babe Ruth
            2. Barry Bonds
            3. Ty Cobb
            4. Ted Williams
            5. Willie Mays
            6. Alex Rodriguez
            7. Hank Aaron
            8. Honus Wagner
            9. Lou Gehrig
            10. Mickey Mantle

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            • #7
              In 2007 sabathia led the al in shutouts with only 18 starts, and led the nl in shutouts the same year with only 17 starts

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Brooklyn View Post
                In 2007 sabathia led the al in shutouts with only 18 starts, and led the nl in shutouts the same year with only 17 starts
                I think you meant 2008 but good find.
                My top 10 players:

                1. Babe Ruth
                2. Barry Bonds
                3. Ty Cobb
                4. Ted Williams
                5. Willie Mays
                6. Alex Rodriguez
                7. Hank Aaron
                8. Honus Wagner
                9. Lou Gehrig
                10. Mickey Mantle

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                  Just noticed that Votto led the NL in Walks this season despite only playing in 111 games. Has there ever been a player who led his league in a major counting-stat despite missing so many games (51)?
                  I recognize the spirit of your post. This is an interesting accomplishment for someone missing a third of the season.

                  Here is a fun fact... Dan Uggla tied for the lead as both men drew 94 walks. Uggla finished with five intentional walks, so now we are down to 89 non-intentional.

                  Joey Votto had eighteen intentional walks... so if you want to use tie breakers and look at non-intentional walks.... ummm.... errr...
                  Your Second Base Coach
                  Garvey, Lopes, Russell, and Cey started 833 times and the Dodgers went 498-335, for a .598 winning percentage. That’s equal to a team going 97-65 over a season. On those occasions when at least one of them missed his start, the Dodgers were 306-267-1, which is a .534 clip. That works out to a team going 87-75. So having all four of them added 10 wins to the Dodgers per year.
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5hCIvMule0

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                  • #10
                    In 1903, Fred Clarke led the league with 32 doubles despite playing in only 104 games.

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                    • #11
                      On a similar note, Corey Seager currently leads the NL in doubles despite having missed 27 games and having a very mediocre season overall.
                      My top 10 players:

                      1. Babe Ruth
                      2. Barry Bonds
                      3. Ty Cobb
                      4. Ted Williams
                      5. Willie Mays
                      6. Alex Rodriguez
                      7. Hank Aaron
                      8. Honus Wagner
                      9. Lou Gehrig
                      10. Mickey Mantle

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by GiambiJuice View Post
                        On a similar note, Corey Seager currently leads the NL in doubles despite having missed 27 games and having a very mediocre season overall.
                        Maybe to his standards, but I'll take those numbers from my SS any year.
                        Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Francoeurstein View Post

                          Maybe to his standards, but I'll take those numbers from my SS any year.
                          Of course, but it's still a mediocre hitting season for a guy who's leading the league in doubles despite missing 27 games.
                          My top 10 players:

                          1. Babe Ruth
                          2. Barry Bonds
                          3. Ty Cobb
                          4. Ted Williams
                          5. Willie Mays
                          6. Alex Rodriguez
                          7. Hank Aaron
                          8. Honus Wagner
                          9. Lou Gehrig
                          10. Mickey Mantle

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Gee Walker View Post
                            I assume you don't mean any of the pitching stats as major counting stats in this question...

                            The only similar case that I can think of is the now-removed batting championship of Taffy Wright in 1938. He hit .350 in exactly 100 games, which was the minimum number required to qualify you for the batting championship. They now have given the award to Ernie Lombardi, who hit .342 in 129 games.
                            I really dislike this revisionism.
                            "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post

                              I really dislike this revisionism.
                              I agree, if the guy won a batting title fair and square under the rules at the time it should not be taken away from him retroactively.
                              My top 10 players:

                              1. Babe Ruth
                              2. Barry Bonds
                              3. Ty Cobb
                              4. Ted Williams
                              5. Willie Mays
                              6. Alex Rodriguez
                              7. Hank Aaron
                              8. Honus Wagner
                              9. Lou Gehrig
                              10. Mickey Mantle

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