OB% Lower than batting avg.?

[keving7]

I was watching the Yankees last night and Robinson Cano was listed as having a .333 avg. with a .327 OB%.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but how can a batter have a lower OB% than their batting average?

[ElHalo]

Because he hasn't walked yet, but he does have a sac fly/ sac bunt / some other kind of plate appearance that counts as a PA without reaching base but doesn't count as an at bat for BA purposes.

[west coast orange and black]

saw this situation earlier this season for lance niekro of the giants.
a reaped a dog and soda from a few friendly bets.

(niekro's sittin' at .282obp / .274avg right now)

[keving7]

Because he hasn't walked yet, but he does have a sac fly/ sac bunt / some other kind of plate appearance that counts as a PA without reaching base but doesn't count as an at bat for BA purposes.

Thanks ElHalo,
I always thought OB% was calculated by ABs, not plate appearances.
Now all the stats that I religiously calculated as a kid while playing Strat. have to be redone. Now if I can only remember where I put them??? :noidea

[bluezebra]

On Base Percentage [OBP or OBA]

(Hits + Walks + Hit-By-Pitch) divided by (At Bats + Walks+ Hit-By-Pitch + Sac Flys)

Bob

[rugbyfreak]

Scoring trivia

Did you also know that, if you have a hitting streak going, and you walk every time up, your streak is still alive. But if you walk every time but one, and that one is a sac fly, you're done!

[soberdennis]

I was watching the Yankees last night and Robinson Cano was listed as having a .333 avg. with a .327 OB%.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but how can a batter have a lower OB% than their batting average?

a sacrifice bunt will save a streak a fly won't.

[flash143817]

Has any player played an entire season (with qualifying PA totals) and managed a lower OBP than BA?

[BaseballHistoryNut]

How about batter gets a single, but gets thrown out trying to stretch to a double? That's a single, but does it help your OBP, or will it be treated as an out--as it should--for OBP purposes?

BHN

[Brooklyn]

How about batter gets a single, but gets thrown out trying to stretch to a double? That's a single, but does it help your OBP, or will it be treated as an out--as it should--for OBP purposes?

BHN

no, it is a hit for both ba and obp

[Mad Guru]

Has any player played an entire season (with qualifying PA totals) and managed a lower OBP than BA?

Vince Coleman is the guy who immediately comes to mind for me. When I was a kid I always thought it was neat that he had done that.

[flash143817]

Vince Coleman is the guy who immediately comes to mind for me. When I was a kid I always thought it was neat that he had done that.

I believe you are mistaken. A quick check of Coleman's stats and I see that the closest he came to this was a 37 point difference in 1993.

Ozzie Guillen had a 10 point difference in 1996 and he is the worst walker I can think of off the top of my head.

Perhaps if someone had a list of the worst walking seasons it would be possible to come up with one that had a lower OBP than BA during a season.

[Brooklyn]

I believe you are mistaken. A quick check of Coleman's stats and I see that the closest he came to this was a 37 point difference in 1993.

Ozzie Guillen had a 10 point difference in 1996 and he is the worst walker I can think of off the top of my head.

Perhaps if someone had a list of the worst walking seasons it would be possible to come up with one that had a lower OBP than BA during a season.

the most ABs where ba=obp for a season was Craig Robinson in 1973, both were .226 in 146 ABs.

The most ABs where BA>obp for a season was Ernie Bowman in 1963. In 125 ABs, he had a .184 ba and .181 obp

[flash143817]

the most ABs where ba=obp for a season was Craig Robinson in 1973, both were .226 in 146 ABs.

The most ABs where BA>obp for a season was Ernie Bowman in 1963. In 125 ABs, he had a .184 ba and .181 obp

Thanks. I wish I could figure out those databases enough to look that up for myself.

[Mad Guru]

Reading is fundamental

[QUOTE=flash143817]I believe you are mistaken. A quick check of Coleman's stats and I see that the closest he came to this was a 37 point difference in 1993.

I was thinking of an OBP<SLG not OBP<BA.