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  • Trade Chipper to the AL?

    What do you guys think of trading Chipper to an American League team? He can DH which will prolong his career (although the oblique hurts when he swings). Could we get enough for him because of his injuries? Keep in mind, that Chipper has been my favorite Brave (next to my all time hero Hank Aaron), and I would like to see him stay in a Braves uniform. But, would a trade be the best move for him and ultimately the team? Just want your opinions, guys. Thanks

  • #2
    My initial knee jerk reaction is to say NO! That is part selfishness as Chipper is also my favorite active player. First of all I will say that Chipper is a ten/five player and can reject any trade. He is signed through 2008 for 11 million dollars a year with an option for 2009 inbetween 8 and 11 million depending on performance.

    I am not extremely concerned with his oblique injuries. I think that was a one time deal, which Chipper made worse by trying to play through the injury. I am mainly concerned with his foot injuries. Hopefully Chipper will get some helpful answers from various specialists and will find a way to avoid problems next year. In any case, he only missed a handful of games with foot injuries this year. His main injury problem was the oblique, which has never happened to Chipper before, and a freak occurence in San Francisco that sprained his knee. Considering how well he has played this year, who is to say that his best year might not be next year.

    That being said, if there was a DH in the national league, I would advocated putting Chipper at DH at least for the most part. As far as career statistics go moving to an American League team and becoming a DH could benefit Chipper. I think trading Chipper would hurt the Braves more than Chipper. He is the only true number three hitter we have on the team. He makes Renteria and Andruw much better hitters just by being in the lineup. Eleven million is not too much money in today's market and would actually be an excellent deal if Chipper stays healthy. I think we should definitely keep Chipper next year and hope he can play 140+ games. If he does that our lineup will be one of the best in the game.
    Last edited by cbenson5; 10-06-2006, 02:47 PM.
    "I never saw anyone like Ty Cobb. No one even close to him. He was the greatest all time ballplayer. That guy was superhuman, amazing."
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    • #3
      Couldn't hurt to see his market value. Probably with his recent string of injuries and big contract, he'll be hard to trade...
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      • #4
        Seeing him in any other uni is wrong and should not be brought up. That's like trading Ernie Banks or something! You just don't do it. I think Andruw's chances of leaving are far greater than Chipper's.
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        • #5
          Good for him, bad for us. Who would we get for a potential injury risk? No one REALLY good, that's for sure.
          46 wins to match last year's total

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          • #6
            Originally posted by cbenson5
            My initial knee jerk reaction is to say NO! That is part selfishness as Chipper is also my favorite active player. First of all I will say that Chipper is a ten/five player and can reject any trade. He is signed through 2008 for 11 million dollars a year with an option for 2009 inbetween 8 and 11 million depending on performance.

            I am not extremely concerned with his oblique injuries. I think that was a one time deal, which Chipper made worse by trying to play through the injury. I am mainly concerned with his foot injuries. Hopefully Chipper will get some helpful answers from various specialists and will find a way to avoid problems next year. In any case, he only missed a handful of games with foot injuries this year. His main injury problem was the oblique, which has never happened to Chipper before, and a freak occurence in San Francisco that sprained his knee. Considering how well he has played this year, who is to say that his best year might not be next year.

            That being said, if there was a DH in the national league, I would advocated putting Chipper at DH at least for the most part. As far as career statistics go moving to an American League team and becoming a DH could benefit Chipper. I think trading Chipper would hurt the Braves more than Chipper. He is the only true number three hitter we have on the team. He makes Renteria and Andruw much better hitters just by being in the lineup. Eleven million is not too much money in today's market and would actually be an excellent deal if Chipper stays healthy. I think we should definitely keep Chipper next year and hope he can play 140+ games. If he does that our lineup will be one of the best in the game.
            When you first think about trading Chipper you think that it'll be a good move because you'll get rid of the contract and injury risk, but as cbenson stated, he makes Renteria and Andruw better. We may not notice it, but having Renteria, Chipper, and Andruw, 2-3-4, is a scary sight to see. So I'm against trading him to the AL.
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            • #7
              Chipper is a 10-5 guy who can refuse any trade and there are just a few places he'd probably agree to go. Even so, the Braves wouldn't trade him because they couldn't likely get good value for him. Nobody is going to take the risk on his contract to get him for just 105 games. When healthy, Chipper is still an elite hitter plus he showed the Braves some loyalty by agreeing to restructure his contract to free up money to help the team. After doing that, I dont think the team would turn around and try to trade him unless someone blew them away and Chipper was agreeable to the idea.

              A more interesting idea I've seen discussed elsewhere is if the Yankees don't win the World Series this year, what if they put A-Rod on the trading block? He's been intensely scrutinized lately in NY so the idea of cutting ties with him is not at all far-fetched. The Braves were the runner-up to sign him when he was a free agent, and with Texas already paying part of his salary as a result of the trade to the Yankees, if the Yankees would eat a little more of his salary, the Braves could afford A-Rod at somewhere around $12 - $14 million a year. We have trading pieces the Yankees would be interested in and a big salary to send them to offset A-Rod in Tim Hudson or Andruw Jones. Interesting idea!
              Let's go Braves!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ATL22
                Chipper is a 10-5 guy who can refuse any trade and there are just a few places he'd probably agree to go. Even so, the Braves wouldn't trade him because they couldn't likely get good value for him. Nobody is going to take the risk on his contract to get him for just 105 games. When healthy, Chipper is still an elite hitter plus he showed the Braves some loyalty by agreeing to restructure his contract to free up money to help the team. After doing that, I dont think the team would turn around and try to trade him unless someone blew them away and Chipper was agreeable to the idea.
                Also, wasn't Chipper the guy who adamantly opposed being traded even when it was clear the Braves were not going to the Post Season? He is as much the face of the Braves as Jeter is the face of the Yankees.
                "I believe in the Church of Baseball. I tried all the major religions and most of the minor ones. I've worshipped Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms and Isadora Duncan. I know things. For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance." ~Ron Shelton, from Bull Durham

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by maximum jack
                  Also, wasn't Chipper the guy who adamantly opposed being traded even when it was clear the Braves were not going to the Post Season? He is as much the face of the Braves as Jeter is the face of the Yankees.
                  Chipper is the face of the Braves and the primary drawing card. He has said multiple times that he wants to play his entire career with the Braves. I personally don't think it would benefit the team as I am looking forward to another big year from Chipper next year. In any event I don't like trading away Hall of Fame players especially when said player has spent his entire career with the Braves.
                  "I never saw anyone like Ty Cobb. No one even close to him. He was the greatest all time ballplayer. That guy was superhuman, amazing."
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by cbenson5
                    In any event I don't like trading away Hall of Fame players especially when said player has spent his entire career with the Braves.

                    Perhaps this is fodder for another thread but is Chipper a Hall of Famer? I dont know at this point. I think he needs at least one more MVP caliber season where he stays healthy all year. If he stays healthy, I think he surely can make it, but if he never gets in more than just around 100 games the rest of his career I'm not sure.

                    In any event, I hope to see Smoltz, Chipper, and Andruw all retire having spent their entire careers as Braves. That's why I just wouldn't trade any of them unless some team blew us away with an offer we'd be foolish to refuse. Plus I think Chipper is a big positive influence on the young position players on the team. He is to those guys what Smoltz is to the pitchers and that is one of those things fans dont see much but it would leave a void if it were taken away.
                    Let's go Braves!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ATL22
                      Perhaps this is fodder for another thread but is Chipper a Hall of Famer? I dont know at this point. I think he needs at least one more MVP caliber season where he stays healthy all year. If he stays healthy, I think he surely can make it, but if he never gets in more than just around 100 games the rest of his career I'm not sure.
                      I think Chipper was well on his way to a first ballot selection in 2003, but his health has been a real issue since the 2004 season. Let's suppose he has 5 years left at the this year's numbers. That would put him at about 2600 hits, 1600 RBI and 475 HR. Good but not great, especially considering he's playing in the Steroid Era. He's got a chance, but he definately needs to buck the trend of the last three years.
                      "I believe in the Church of Baseball. I tried all the major religions and most of the minor ones. I've worshipped Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms and Isadora Duncan. I know things. For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance." ~Ron Shelton, from Bull Durham

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                      • #12
                        Boston could be interested ...

                        Since they might unload Lowell in the Offseason , they could be interested in Chipper , they could offer Matt Clement and a minor leaguer for Chipper .

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TheKingofKings
                          Since they might unload Lowell in the Offseason , they could be interested in Chipper , they could offer Matt Clement and a minor leaguer for Chipper .
                          If Chipper could play 3rd again and give Boston 150 games, I'd be all for it. I don't know that anyone is going to want to touch Matt Clement until he can prove that he's an effective pitcher again. Mentally, I don't think he has ever recovered from that awful line drive. Physically, he may even be worse off: they're not even sure if he will be able to pitch in 2007.
                          "I believe in the Church of Baseball. I tried all the major religions and most of the minor ones. I've worshipped Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms and Isadora Duncan. I know things. For instance, there are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. When I learned that, I gave Jesus a chance." ~Ron Shelton, from Bull Durham

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by maximum jack
                            I think Chipper was well on his way to a first ballot selection in 2003, but his health has been a real issue since the 2004 season. Let's suppose he has 5 years left at the this year's numbers. That would put him at about 2600 hits, 1600 RBI and 475 HR. Good but not great, especially considering he's playing in the Steroid Era. He's got a chance, but he definately needs to buck the trend of the last three years.
                            Here is some information on how Chipper ranks among third baseman in the Hall of Fame. It is as of 14 Audust 2006. I haven't gotten around to updating it yet. When looking at career numbers you have to remember that Chipper walks extremely often and rarely gets pitches to hit with runners in scoring position. I mean during his MVP season he walked 126 times. Basically what I am trying to say is that if Chipper gets to 2600 hits he will likely have walked 1500+ times by then. For example Chipper "only" has 1944 hits compared to 2150 by Derek Jeter. But he has walked 1070 times compared to 705 to Derek Jeter. So Derek has about 200 more hits than Chipper, but Chipper has over 350 more walks than Jeter.

                            This is how Chipper Jones stacks up against the ten third baseman in the Hall of Fame (Major League Players Only):

                            Games:

                            1. Brooks Robinson 2896
                            2. George Brett- 2707
                            3. Wade Boggs- 2440
                            4. Mike Schmidt- 2404
                            5. Eddie Mathews- 2391
                            6. Pie Traynor- 1941
                            7. George Kell- 1795
                            8. Chipper Jones- 1733
                            9. Jimmy Collins- 1725
                            10. Frank Baker- 1575
                            11. Freddy Lindstrom- 1438

                            At Bats:

                            1. Brooks Robinson- 10654
                            2. George Brett- 10349
                            3. Wade Boggs- 9180
                            4. Eddie Mathews- 8537
                            5. Mike Schmidt- 8352
                            6. Pie Traynor- 7559
                            7. Jimmy Collins- 6795
                            8. George Kell- 6702
                            9. Chipper Jones- 6285
                            10. Frank Baker- 5984
                            11. Freddy Lindstrom- 5611

                            Runs:

                            1. George Brett- 1538
                            2. Wade Boggs- 1513
                            3. Eddie Mathews- 1509
                            4. Mike Schmidt- 1506
                            5. Brooks Robinson- 1232
                            6. Pie Traynor- 1183
                            7. Chipper Jones- 1165
                            8. Jimmy Collins- 1055
                            9. Freddy Lindstrom- 895
                            10. Frank Baker- 887
                            11.George Kell- 881

                            Hits:

                            1. George Brett- 3154
                            2. Wade Boggs- 1513
                            3. Brooks Robinson- 2848
                            4. Pie Traynor- 2416
                            5. Eddie Mathews- 2315
                            6. Mike Schmidt- 2234
                            7. George Kell- 2054
                            8. Jimmy Collins- 1999
                            9. Chipper Jones- 1914
                            10. Frank Baker- 1838
                            11. Freddy Lindstrom- 1747

                            Doubles:

                            1. George Brett- 665
                            2. Wade Boggs- 578
                            3. Brooks Robinson- 482
                            4. Mike Schmidt- 408
                            5. George Kell- 385
                            6. Chipper Jones- 377
                            7. Pie Traynor- 371
                            8. Eddie Mathews- 354
                            9. Jimmy Collins- 352
                            10. Frank Baker- 315
                            11. Freddy Lindstrom- 301

                            Home Runs:

                            1. Mike Schmidt- 548
                            2. Eddie Mathews- 512
                            3. Chipper Jones- 346
                            4. George Brett- 317
                            5. Brooks Robinson- 268
                            6. Wade Boggs- 118
                            7. Freddy Lindstrom- 103
                            8. Frank Baker- 96
                            9. George Kell- 78
                            10. Jimmy Collins- 65
                            11. Pie Traynor- 58

                            RBI:

                            1. Mike Schmidt- 1595
                            2. George Brett- 1595
                            3. Eddie Mathews- 1453
                            4. Brooks Robinson- 1357
                            5. Pie Traynor- 1273
                            6. Chipper Jones- 1171
                            7. Wade Boggs- 1014
                            8. Frank Baker- 987
                            9. Jimmy Collins- 983
                            10. George Kell- 870
                            11. Freddy Lindstrom- 779

                            Walks:

                            1. Mike Schmidt- 1507
                            2. Eddie Mathews- 1444
                            3. Wade Boggs- 1412
                            4. George Brett- 1096
                            5. Chipper Jones- 1058
                            6. Brooks Robinson- 860
                            7. George Kell- 621
                            8. Frank Baker- 473
                            9. Pie Trynor- 472
                            10. Jimmy Collins- 426
                            11. Freddy Lindstrom- 334

                            Stolen Bases:

                            1. Frank baker- 235
                            2. George Brett- 201
                            3. Jimmy Collins- 194
                            4. Mike Schmidt- 174
                            5. Pie Traynor- 158
                            6. Chipper Jones- 128
                            7. Freddy Lindstrom- 84
                            8. Eddie Mathews- 68
                            9. George Kell- 51
                            10. Brooks Robinson- 28
                            11. Wade Boggs- 24

                            Total Bases:

                            1. George brett- 5044
                            2. Mike Schmidt- 4404
                            3. Eddie Mathews- 4349
                            4. Brooks Robinson- 4270
                            5. Wade Boggs- 4064
                            6. Chipper Jones- 3387
                            7. Pie Traynor- 3289
                            8. Jimmy Collins- 2778
                            9. George Kell- 2773
                            10. Frank Baker- 2647
                            11. Freddy Lindstrom- 2519

                            On Base percentage:

                            1. Wade Boggs- .415
                            2. Chipper Jones- .402
                            3. Mike Schmidt- .380
                            4. Eddie Mathews- .377
                            5. George Brett- .369
                            6. George Kell- .362
                            7. Frank Baker- .355
                            8. Pie Traynor- .352
                            9. Freddy Lindstrom- .343
                            10. Jimmy Collins- .337
                            11. Brooks Robinson- .322


                            Slugging Percentage:

                            1. Chipper Jones .539
                            2. Mike Schmidt- .527
                            3. Eddie Mathews- .509
                            4. George Brett- .487
                            5. Freddy Lindstrom- .449
                            6. Wade Boggs- .443
                            7. Frank Baker- .442
                            8. Pie Traynor- .435
                            9. George Kell- .414
                            10. Jimmy Collins- .409
                            11. Brooks Robinson- .401

                            Batting Average:

                            1. Wade Boggs- .328
                            2. Pie Traynor- .320
                            3. Freddy Lindstrom- .311
                            4. Frank Baker- .307
                            5. George Kell- .306
                            6. George Brett- .305
                            7. Chipper Jones- .305
                            8. Jimmy Collins- .294
                            9. Eddie Mathews- .271
                            10. Brooks Robinson- .267
                            11. Mike Schmidt- .267
                            "I never saw anyone like Ty Cobb. No one even close to him. He was the greatest all time ballplayer. That guy was superhuman, amazing."
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                            • #15
                              I remember that someone tried to downplay that list by saying that Chipper played in an "offensive-friendly" era. So... that means... that shouldn't count as much?
                              46 wins to match last year's total

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