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  • The Best of the Braves

    I think that we all need a distraction from the dreary June swoon, so I figure this is a good idea. I'm sure that we all have our own ideas on who are the greatest Braves players of all time. So I'll set up something where we can try to reach a cosensus. I'll submit my candidates and anyone else can submit whoever they think deserves it too. Then, the team will be made up of 25 players (15 position and 10 pitchers), and we'll figure out the best Braves in history.

    Anyone you want can be a candidate. Flashes in the pan, long time vets, you name it.

    Catcher -
    HANK GOWDY
    ERNIE LOMBARDI
    DEL CRANDALL
    JOE TORRE
    EARL WILLIAMS
    BRUCE BENEDICT
    GREG OLSON
    JAVY LOPEZ
    BRIAN McCANN (hahaha)

    Between the obvious top three of Crandall, Torre and Lopez, I always have a hard time picking two.

    First Base -
    FRED TENNEY
    GEORGE SISLER
    JOE ADCOCK
    ORLANDO CEPEDA
    CHRIS CHAMBLISS
    SID BREAM
    FRED McGRIFF
    ANDRES GALARRAGA
    ADAM LaROCHE

    A bit of a hodgepodge here; the Braves have done the first base shuffle in the past and recently.

    Second Base -
    BOBBY LOWE
    ROGERS HORNSBY
    FRANK BOLLING
    FELIX MILLAN
    GLENN HUBBARD
    MARK LEMKE
    MARCUS GILES
    KEITH LOCKHART - Because PureBaseballFan told me to!

    A smattering of good fielders and a couple of good hitters.

    Third Base -
    EZRA SUTTON
    BOB ELLIOTT
    EDDIE MATHEWS
    CLETE BOYER
    DARRELL EVANS
    BOB HORNER
    TERRY PENDLETON
    CHIPPER JONES

    One of the best positions in Braves' history.

    Shortstop -
    HERMAN LONG
    RABBIT MARANVILLE
    JOHNNY LOGAN
    RAFAEL RAMIREZ
    JEFF BLAUSER
    WALT WEISS
    RAFAEL FURCAL
    EDGAR RENTERIA

    The Braves have had their good shortstops over the years, no question about it.

    Left Field -
    HUGH DUFFY
    TOMMY McCARTHY
    BABE RUTH
    WALLY BERGER
    BOBBY THOMSON
    WES COVINGTON
    RICO CARTY
    RALPH GARR
    JEFF BURROUGHS
    GARY MATTHEWS, SR.
    RON GANT
    RYAN KLESKO

    The left field bunch is a good list, but, except for Duffy and Berger, and I think Berger was actually a center fielder, but I lised him here anyway.

    Center Field -
    BILLY HAMILTON
    TOMMY HOLMES
    BILL BRUTON
    DALE MURPHY
    ANDRUW JONES

    A true position of strength in the franchise's history. Hopefully, no one good will be left out.

    Right Field -
    TOMMY HOLMES
    HANK AARON
    CLAUDELL WASHINGTON
    DAVID JUSTICE
    BRIAN JORDAN
    GARY SHEFFIELD
    J. D. DREW
    JEFF FRANCOEUR (hahaha again)

    Yeah, I know, that last part in the list is a bad joke. It could be tough for any of the guys besides Hank to get a spot on this team.

    Starting Pitchers
    AL SPALDING
    TOMMY BOND
    KID NICHOLS
    VIC WILLIS
    CY YOUNG
    JOHNNY SAIN
    WARREN SPAHN
    LEW BURDETTE
    BOB BUHL
    TONY CLONINGER
    PHIL NIEKRO
    RICK MAHLER
    TOM GLAVINE
    STEVE AVERY
    JOHN SMOLTZ
    GREG MADDUX
    KEVIN MILLWOOD

    Hahaha, let's see us try to whittle THIS list down to five people!

    Relievers -
    BOB SMITH
    DON McMAHON
    CECIL UPSHAW
    GENE GARBER
    STEVE BEDROSIAN
    RICK CAMP
    BRUCE SUTTER
    MIKE STANTON
    KENT MERCKER
    MARK WOHLERS
    GREG McMICHAEL
    MIKE REMLINGER
    JOHN ROCKER
    CHRIS HAMMOND
    JOHN SMOLTZ

    Generally, the best relievers served as relief aces or closers.

    If anyone else has any more candidates, feel free to add them.

    Let's find the best!
    Last edited by SamtheBravesFan; 06-29-2007, 08:13 AM.
    46 wins to match last year's total

  • #2
    Wow, this takes me back to when we made our BBF Atlanta Braves Hall of Fame.

    Players I'd like to add:

    Mike Remlinger (Reliever)
    Steve Avery (Starter)
    2nd member of the Peter Moylan Fan Club

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Atlanta Braves Freak View Post
      Wow, this takes me back to when we made our BBF Atlanta Braves Hall of Fame.

      Players I'd like to add:

      Mike Remlinger (Reliever)
      Steve Avery (Starter)
      Good choices. You know, we might as well do something, they're losing again tonight.

      Some "oversights" I thought about:

      Jeff Burroughs (LF) - Good, solid years with the Braves
      Gary Matthews, Sr. (LF) - A bright spot on bad Braves teams
      Darrell Evans (3B) - Start of a very nice career
      Bruce Sutter (RP) - just for the heck of it

      EDIT: I will add everyone in as we list them, then it'll be pretty obvious where we draw the line.
      46 wins to match last year's total

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      • #4
        How about the one year wonder Chris Hammond. Hehe

        Your list is pretty much the best there is so I can't think of anyone else to add.

        I have to put Andres on my team no matter what. As he was my favorite player during his tenure here I still have his rookie card lying around my house somewhere.

        Just remembered someone who should be on the list if nothing for some fun the Mighty Amazing Deadly Keith Lockhart. GO KEITH!!!
        Last edited by PureBaseballFan; 06-24-2007, 09:04 PM.
        Extend Prado!!!

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        • #5
          Noted! That's what this list is for. In fact, I'll add another "one-year wonder" for the heck of it:

          J. D. Drew, who had his healthiest and best season with the Braves, and then contined to be injured with the Dodgers.

          Believe it or not, according to Win Shares, the Braves won on that Drew trade for a while because Eli Marrero did so great and Jason Marquis did so bad. It all depends on Adam Wainwright now and how he does.
          Last edited by SamtheBravesFan; 06-24-2007, 09:25 PM.
          46 wins to match last year's total

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          • #6
            Hey Sam,

            Great idea. Hopefully, this will alleviate the pain from the less than stellar performance of the Braves in recent days.

            I've just got to add Hall of Famers: Tommy McCarthy and Billy Hamilton. Also, if we are doing one year players, how about Rogers Hornsby. He hit .387 in 140 games for the Braves in 1928. My as well include George Sisler as well. He played for the Braves from 1928 to 1930 (hitting .326 during his stay).
            Last edited by cbenson5; 06-24-2007, 09:55 PM.
            "I never saw anyone like Ty Cobb. No one even close to him. He was the greatest all time ballplayer. That guy was superhuman, amazing."
            -Casey Stengel

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            • #7
              How about this guy?
              Orlando Cepeda 1B
              4th Member of the Peter Moylan Fan Club!!!!

              Creator of the Guess The Player Game
              http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=63675

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              • #8
                I was thinking about Cepeda, and McCarthy, Hamilton and Hornsby are good ideas too. I suppose I'll add Tommy Bond, Al Spalding and Cy Young for kicks. one of these days, I'll get the stats up.

                ... Ernie Lombardi too.
                46 wins to match last year's total

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                • #9
                  Two of my favorite Braves, albeit with short tenures, were
                  1B Sid Bream (1991-1993)
                  and
                  C Greg Olson (1990-1993)

                  Bream, of course, famous for scoring the winning run in game 7 of the 1992 NLCS.
                  Every passing hour brings the Solar System forty-three thousand miles closer to Globular Cluster M13 in Hercules -- and still there are some misfits who insist that there is no such thing as progress.

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                  • #10
                    How about Babe Ruth added to that list.

                    Extend Prado!!!

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                    • #11
                      All Time Best

                      Rico Carty

                      But picking the top 25 for an All Star Team is going to be very hard, very hard indeed. But here is my 25:

                      1b---Joe Adcock
                      2b---Davy Johnson
                      3b---Eddie Mathews
                      ss---Jonny Logan
                      lf----Rico Carty
                      cf---Dale Murphy
                      rf---Hank Aarron
                      C---Brain Mccants
                      if---Orlando Cepeda

                      if---Glenn Hubbert
                      if---Chipper Jones
                      if---Rafael Furcal
                      of--Andruw Jones
                      of--Jeff Francoeur
                      of--Gary Sheffield
                      C--Earl Williams

                      s--Warren Sphan
                      s--Johnny Sain
                      s--Greg Maddux
                      s--Phil Niekro
                      s--Lwe Burdette
                      r--John Rocker
                      r--John Smoltz
                      r--Bruce Sutter
                      r--Cecil Upshaw
                      r--Gene Garber
                      Last edited by Cpope; 06-26-2007, 12:46 PM.
                      Braves Fan Forever
                      Rico Carty, Eddie Mathews, Evan Longoria

                      http://public.fotki.com/cpope3/

                      Member of the Peter Moylan Fan Club

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                      • #12
                        Well, with me, I'd put more emphasis on career totals with the Braves. I just suggested one-year wonders just to see what everyone would come up with.
                        46 wins to match last year's total

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                        • #13
                          Here is my list based on best season:

                          C Javy Lopez- 2003
                          1B Andres Galarraga-1998
                          2B Rogers Hornsby- 1928
                          3B Chipper Jones- 1999
                          SS Rabbit Maranville- 1914
                          OF- Henry Aaron- 1963
                          OF- Hugh Duffy- 1894
                          OF- Gary Sheffield- 2003

                          SP Greg Maddux- 1994
                          SP Warren Spahn- 1953
                          SP Kid Nichols- 1898
                          SP Tom Glavine- 1991
                          SP Phil Niekro- 1974

                          CL- John Smoltz- 2003
                          "I never saw anyone like Ty Cobb. No one even close to him. He was the greatest all time ballplayer. That guy was superhuman, amazing."
                          -Casey Stengel

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                          • #14
                            If this is an actual team that would play and not just about stats then my team would be. (I think for the most part we all can agree if we did a poll on who is the best all-time per position) Also I am only taking into account people that have played at least 2 or 3 years in a Braves uniform

                            *WARNING* May Be Long Post Read At Your Own Peril *Warning*

                            C - Joe Torre - Javy would make sense here but I like Joe's consistency over the long haul of his career. Javy has that 30 sometimes 40 HR potential but Joe had better contact swing and good 20 to 25 HR potential which I will take in my catcher anyday. Also I consider Joe a better defensive catcher Javy was in his career.

                            1B - Andres Galarraga - One of my personal favorite players I mean loved him in 98 and 00 and I still love him today. My personal wish was to see him hit 400 even if it was with the Mets. A great hitter who was a good 20 - 30 HR and a .280 to .300 hitter along with giving you 80 to 100 RBIs and I would take that from a 1B any day.

                            2B - Marcus Giles - Now of course Roger Hornsby is 10 times the player Marcus Giles is now and when Marcus' career is over will most likely still have a better career but he only played a season for the Braves so he is off my list. Marcus in his best years are exactly what I want when it comes to a player on my team and I love his spirit and toughness which what I would want I my baseball team.

                            3B - Chipper Jones - Overall Chipper will most likely end his career seen as the best 3B in Braves history. Though he has had injury problems lately he is still a dangerous hitter that deserves to be respected. His defense as also been far underrated by people and in a longer career then Scott Rolen (considered one of the better defensive 3B) has only made 16 more errors and if you take out the 14 errors he made in LF and the 6 errors he made at SS he has less errors then Scott.

                            SS - Rafeal Furcal - I need a leadoff hitter and this is the guy that is that man. Although he doesn't have anything that amazes you but his steal base ability makes him a good piece in my team's offense. His defense isn't perfect but with a cannon arm like his he can make plays that other SS just can't make.

                            LF - Wally Berger - To be honest I know nothing about him except for the stats that I see. He seems like a .285 to .300 hitter that can hit 30 or more homers but sometimes around 15 also. He seems like a nice player and with no one in LF that amazes you. (Except for Babe Ruth of course lol)

                            CF - Andruw Jones - It came down to Murphy or Jones and Jones defense put him over Dale by a little. Andruw's inconsistency is his major flaw but with the guys I have in my lineup he won't be relied upon solely to produce runs. Also with all his years in the majors to only have 43 errors at one of the toughest positions is an amazing feat.

                            RF - Hank Aaron - Come on this is a no brainer although he is the homerun leader he is still underrated. Most people still considered Babe Ruth the HR champion because of his big totals in certain seasons.(This is not to take anything away from Ruth who is one of the best hitters of all-time) Aaron walked more then he struckout. Also he is third all-time on the Hits leaderboard, 10th on the Doubles list, 1st in RBIs, and 1st Total Bases by over 700. He is arguably one of the best hitters all-time and should be remembered as such.

                            Bench

                            C - Brian McCann - A good backup guy that can catch Smoltz as his personal catcher.

                            IF - Keith Lockhart - Sure he is about as good as Scott Woodward but you always needs someone like that on your bench that can play any position but not really hit.


                            IF - Orlando Cepeda - A guy that can give Andres a day off and be just as effective.

                            OF - Jeff Francoeur - Good defensively and is able to be an good hitter he earns a spot on my bench. Also has played CF in high school and a little in the minors so he can play there if needed.

                            OF - Ryan Klesko - Mainly going to be used as a PH and won't have much of a role other then that.

                            Lineup

                            1. Rafeal Furcal
                            2. Marcus Giles
                            3. Chipper Jones
                            4. Hank Aaron
                            5. Andres Galarraga
                            6. Andruw Jones
                            7. Joe Torre
                            8. Wally Berger
                            9. Pitcher

                            Rotation

                            1. Warren Spahn - One of the best Lefties to pitch his 3.09 career ERA is amazing. There is not much to say about him other then that he was a great pitcher.

                            2. Greg Maddux - One of the best control pitchers in the modern day watching one of his games was like watching an artist just amazing. His skill at changing speeds made hitters look silly at the plate and his painting the black was amazing. Also one of the best fielding pitchers there is.

                            3. Tom Glavine - A great Lefty that makes the rotation even more deadly with a lefty to righty to lefty and if you saw this starting lineup coming up against you in the playoffs I think most people would soil themselves.

                            4. John Smoltz - A pitcher that has dominated in the postseason and shutdown people starting and closing. He is a Hall of Famer for sure that makes any hitter look silly with his Slider or Splitter.

                            5. Phil Neikro - Just another great pitcher that was just great when he pitched. With 300 wins and over 3000 Strikeouts it is hard not to have him higher in this rotation.

                            Bullpen

                            Middle Relief

                            Don McMahon - Know little about him his stats look good enough.

                            Peter Moylan - Come on I founded the Fan Club for him he is going to make my bullpen no sweat.

                            Chris Hammond - Had one of the best seasons a reliever can have and wasn't used right when he was with the Yankees.

                            Long Relief

                            Steve Avery - Someone that I just consider someone who would have been a decent long relief guy and will eat innings if needed.

                            Setup Man

                            Rafeal Soriano - I know this is a cheat since he hasn't been with them for 2 to 3 years but the way he throws unless he gets injured he is going to be here.

                            Closer

                            Mark Wohlers - I would have put Smoltz here but he is in the starting rotation so that can't happen. Wohlers was a solid closer that did his job effectively. I was debating if I would put Rocker here but I still consider him an ass so he doesn't make the cut.

                            So there it is my long completely unnecessary fictional Baseball team made up of all Braves past and present I know I put way to much thought into this but I was bored so why not.
                            Extend Prado!!!

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                            • #15
                              Hey PureBaseballFan,

                              I like your team, but I have a couple of questions. Why is Kid Nichols not in the rotation? Is it due to a concern about talent level in the 19'th century? IMO Mr. Nichols is the second greatest pitcher in Braves history to Maddux. You could use Smoltz as a closer.

                              Also, one of the most difficult things about picking an all time Braves team is that the second and third best position players in Braves history had the same primary position. However, I believe that Mathews and Jones should both be included in the lineup. You could put Chipper in Left or Mathews at first. Any deficiencies in their defense at these positions is more than made up with their bats. Eddie wasn't a great defense first baseman, but he adequately manned it for 112 games. Chipper Jones has put in 365 games in the outfield.

                              Those are just my thoughts, but I do like your team.

                              Charles
                              Last edited by cbenson5; 06-27-2007, 10:09 PM.
                              "I never saw anyone like Ty Cobb. No one even close to him. He was the greatest all time ballplayer. That guy was superhuman, amazing."
                              -Casey Stengel

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