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  • Aardsma & Vasquez for Cotts

    David Aardsma and Carlos Vasquez for Neal Cotts. I personally like this deal. But now you have Ohman, Eyre, and Cotts? One of these three are for sure to be dealt in the next couple days. A trade has to be in the works.
    Witnessing a team doing a complete 180 since the 2003 playoffs...

  • #2
    Originally posted by Nverve1
    David Aardsma and Carlos Vasquez for Neal Cotts. I personally like this deal. But now you have Ohman, Eyre, and Cotts? One of these three are for sure to be dealt in the next couple days. A trade has to be in the works.
    It should be noted that both Ohman and Cotts are arbitration eligible this winter, still neither should make much over a 1 million. You're right we won't go into the season with those three, odds are VERY strong that one is dealt later this offseason.
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    HBP: .342
    Non-Intentional Walk: .315
    Intentional Walk: .176
    Outfield Fly: .035
    Groundball: -.101
    Bunts: -.103
    Infield Fly: -.243
    Strikeout: -.287
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    • #3
      I would not be surprised if the Cubs don't trade any of the lefties initially. Eyre is a lefty but he isn't the lefty specialist that was Ohman. The Cubs are probably going to be able to sign both Ohman and Cotts to cheap contracts. Probably something like 750,000 and 500,000. They will go into spring training letting them duke it out and they will then probably pick the one they think is the best either before the start of the season or in the first month.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ubiquitous
        I would not be surprised if the Cubs don't trade any of the lefties initially. Eyre is a lefty but he isn't the lefty specialist that was Ohman. The Cubs are probably going to be able to sign both Ohman and Cotts to cheap contracts. Probably something like 750,000 and 500,000. They will go into spring training letting them duke it out and they will then probably pick the one they think is the best either before the start of the season or in the first month.
        I don't see them waiting until the spring to figure it out. A waste of resources that would be. That would put the Cubs in the corner in terms of trading a lefty, versus it being a commodity. The Cubs problems last year did not stem from the bullpen, so I don't see them making a trade for bullpen unless it was to deal some off for what they actually need.

        Think about it, does it make sense for you to trade for more bullpen help if you don't need it? It makes sense to trade for the bullpen guys if you are planning on spinning some off for a necessity.
        Witnessing a team doing a complete 180 since the 2003 playoffs...

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        • #5
          Cotts isn't your general kind of bullpen help. He is a specific answer to a specific question. That being a lefty specialist. In that regard I think Ohman has shown a better track record. I don't think waiting until spring training or even the first month to trade would put the Cubs in a corner. There are going to be lots of teams that feel they need a lefty, but it isn't like these guys value is ever really going to be high anyway.

          We are not talking about Albert Pujols but a reliever that is going to get about 60 or so innings and get paid very little. You are not going to be getting a future ace when you trade him, no matter when you do it.

          If you are going to deal some bullpen off then why would you A)trade for a bullpen player and B)possibly trade for a bullpen player that will weaken your bullpen?

          It is one thing to trade some of your relievers to open up roster spots or to lower salary but the Cubs don't need to open up roster spots and this move makes it unlikely that the Cubs will lower their payroll in any meaningful sort of way. The Cubs had a decent bullpen but it wasn't like they had 7 great guys standing around and not having enough work.

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          • #6
            The best spin on this I can come up with is that the Cubs acquired Cotts because they are looking to trade Eyre and his 3 million+ 2 year contract. They think/hope Cotts can revert back to his 2005 form which is the role Eyre currently has for the Cubs. A lefty that can get righties out. Eyre has shown he can do it. Cotts has only shown that he could do anything at all at the major league level in a grand total of one year.

            It is an awfully risky chance and I seriously doubt the Cubs can get anything of real value for Eyre. So I see it as a salary dump with a possibility the Cubs get some young arms out of it.

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            • #7
              I persoanlly like eyre and hope he stays until his contratc is up.. He pitched good last year...at one point he had the best ERA among relievers.
              "I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher."
              -Rogers Hornsby-

              "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
              -Rogers Hornsby-

              Just a note to all the active members of BBF, I consider all of you the smartest baseball people I have ever communicated with and love everyday I am on here. Thank you all!

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              • #8
                What can you guys tell me about Aardsma? What does he bring to the table?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Chisox73
                  What can you guys tell me about Aardsma? What does he bring to the table?
                  he can throw 99.

                  ummmm... he can throw 99?

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                  • #10
                    Aardsma is the first name listed in an alphabetical list of all MLB players. He's not great, but could be decent enough. h
                    A lot of people say this honor validates my career, but I didn't work hard for validation. I didn't play the game right because I saw a reward at the end of the tunnel. I played it right because that's what you're supposed to do, play it right and with respect. If this validates anything, it's that learning how to bunt and hit and run and turning two is more important than knowing where to find the little red light at the dug out camera. - Ryne Sandberg

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                    • #11
                      ive seen aardsma pitch and he has some dominant stuff
                      i dont no about this trade, i dont like trading aardsma, i like the way he pitches
                      but cotts is a great add on to our bullpen
                      Hitting is timing, pitching is upsetting timing.
                      -Warren Spahn

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                      • #12
                        Cotts best years are still ahead of him. Even in a general poor showing in 2006 he had flashes and personaly I think he had a better year then the stats give him credit for. This is a very good pickup for the Cubs and a bad trade for us.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Whitesoxnut
                          Cotts best years are still ahead of him. Even in a general poor showing in 2006 he had flashes and personaly I think he had a better year then the stats give him credit for. This is a very good pickup for the Cubs and a bad trade for us.
                          Too bad I highly disagree with you. Cotts is good as a lefty reliever but the Cubs plan on using Cotts in a Rusch role, something I have absolutely no confidence in him accomplishing. And with Ohman and Eyre under the fold it's a waste. While Aardsma and Vasquez are very capable arms that could help the ChiSox as soon as this year.
                          What a Batted Ball is Worth (in terms of a run):
                          Line Drive: .356
                          HBP: .342
                          Non-Intentional Walk: .315
                          Intentional Walk: .176
                          Outfield Fly: .035
                          Groundball: -.101
                          Bunts: -.103
                          Infield Fly: -.243
                          Strikeout: -.287
                          It's now officially Doctor Bob Sacamento, D.C., C.S.C.S., and working on my D.A.B.C.O. (Diplomate American Board of Chiropractic Orthopedics)

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                          • #14
                            I think the Cubs, and Jim Hendry, got taken - big time! Cotts couldn't get anybody out last year. He was so bad that Ozzie just lost complete confidence in him and basically stopped using him as the season went on. Even when he needed a lefty out of the bullpen, he would routinely overlook Cotts. He was the "lost man" in the bullpen.

                            And I'm still trying to figure out why a team like the Cubs that is desperate for pitching decides to trade a guy who throws 97 MPH and averages close to a strikeout an inning. Sure his control needs to improve, but isn't that what a pitching coach is for? And he was markedly improving month by month as the season went on, and ended up with an excellent September (1.72 ERA). After the All-Star Game, he posted a 3.12 ERA in 27 games, with 35 K's in 34 innings. Why would anyone be trading a guy like this? This is the type of guy you want on your staff. Of all the guys that the Cubs trotted out there last year, Aardsma was one of the few that looked like a real "keeper." The bottom line is that I think Aardsma's upside potential is substantial. With a decent pitching coach like Don Cooper, I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a great 2007. He could very well end up as the main set up guy for Bobby Jenks.

                            The White Sox traded a guy who had a terrible year for them and they had basically given up on and were probably considering outright releasing...until Jim Hendry called them with a "deal" in mind...and they ended up with a guy who throws 97 MPH, averages close to a K per inning, and has a hugh upside potential. So who got the better end of the deal?

                            Someone - it may have been Steve Stone on The Score - once said that Jim Hendry is the kind of GM that other GM's and Agents love to see sitting at the other end of the negotiating table. He falls in love with guys and doesn't see their down side. After the two deals this week - grossly overpaying for DeRosa and trading Aardsma - he's living up to his reputation incredibly well.

                            I don't know anything about this Vasquez, but I do know that Hendry's track record for trading lefties with potential from the Cubs' system is not good. The last one he casually traded away turned out to be Dontrelle Willis (remind me again - what was the reasoning behind this deal?...surely one of the worst in recent Cub history).
                            Last edited by GaryL; 11-18-2006, 06:29 PM.

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                            • #15
                              I agree...this deal is not good for the Cubs what so ever. We got nothing for something. I really hope Cotts can do somehting...if he messes up...I wont like him...I dont like him as it is...if hes bad I wont like him even more. As to Aardsma...I hope he has a great career. Trading away him will haunt the Cubs...maybe not like Brock for Broglio did...but it will haunt us.
                              "I don't like to sound egotistical, but every time I stepped up to the plate with a bat in my hands, I couldn't help but feel sorry for the pitcher."
                              -Rogers Hornsby-

                              "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
                              -Rogers Hornsby-

                              Just a note to all the active members of BBF, I consider all of you the smartest baseball people I have ever communicated with and love everyday I am on here. Thank you all!

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