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  • #16
    In 2005 the guy was flawless. He posted a 1.94 ERA while pitching over 60 innings in relief. His problems in 2006 were locational and his fastball lacked zip. He wasnt able to setup his off-speed an had little confidence in it when he got behind in the count, "which was to often". Then, when he came on with his heat, he really fooled no-one and kept the ball to high. Neal gave up way to many long balls last year.

    Call it no more then "gut feeling" however but I still think hes going to play more 2005 level seasons. The guy was a starter until he got called into the bigs and we've never seen him do that. In 2005 he pitched thru the entire post season and showed poise throughout, "you can punch that into his resume". I'm not saying it was wrong to trade him, I'm just saying we should have gotten more. Ive seen him throw some serious stuff in the past, "1.94 in 60 innings".

    I have no real data to back me up, other then 2005, but I'm going to make a "gut" prediction and predict the Cubs, and Cub fans, are going to be happy they made this trade.
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    • #17
      Nothing I have ever seen Aardsma do has ever impressed me before. He has decent stuff but I have never seen radar gun readings of 97-99 like some of you have stated. I usually saw 94-95 tops. Besides his heat, nothing else he did was extraordinary. He has no great periods in his career that he can point at to say, "Look and see how great I was that year".

      Cotts on the other hand does have something he can point at with his spectacular 2005 season. True he did take a huge step back last season but that doesn't mean his career is over. Lots of pitchers have up and down seasons. He has the ability to be very good so lets wait and see how he performs before ripping this deal.

      We got Cotts, a lefty, and have two other lefties in our bullpen. Are we definitely going to trade one of them? Probably, but who? Personally I hope it's Ohman because he has never been that good. Eyre on the other hand, while he does make a lot of money, is one of the best lefty bullpen guys in baseball IMO. I saw lots of great stuff from him last season and I hope they keep him around. You can never have enough bullpen strength. Without Howry and Eyre our bullpen stinks!
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      • #18
        Originally posted by TRIPxCORE
        Personally I hope it's Ohman because he has never been that good. Eyre on the other hand, while he does make a lot of money, is one of the best lefty bullpen guys in baseball IMO. I saw lots of great stuff from him last season and I hope they keep him around. You can never have enough bullpen strength. Without Howry and Eyre our bullpen stinks!
        Will Ohman will be 30 years old in August after missing several years due to arm injuries that lead to surgeries. He's up for arbitration again but will make only a million or less. Ohman is the definition of a lefty only specialist, he's been outstanding against solely left handed batters during his Cubby tenure:

        Year IP H HR BB K WHIP BAA
        2005 23.1 14 4 10 26 1.03 .173
        2006 29.0 16 2 13 42 1.00 .158

        While Eyre can be used against both handed batters and has a good track record. but had a poor year last year, (overall in 61.1 IP, 61 h, 23 er, 11 hr, 30 bb, 73 k, 1.48 WHIP, .265 BAA) his worst since 2003. Scott will 35 in May and is making 3.5 million for the year (plus a limited no-trade clause), he then has a 3.8 million player option for next year. These are his numbers against lefties the last three years:

        Year IP H HR BB K WHIP BAA
        2004 27.1 20 4 6 28 0.95 .200
        2005 28.0 18 0 11 30 1.04 .182
        2006 23.0 24 6 12 32 1.57 .273


        As for Cotts, he's been good against lefties in his ChiSox tenure as well:

        Year IP H HR BB K WHIP BAA
        2004 25.2 28 7 9 29 - 1.44 .269
        2005 29.0 21 0 9 33 - 1.03 .206
        2006 25.1 26 5 5 29 - 1.22 .263

        As for without Howry and Eyre our bullpen stinks, well that's just not true. In fact during the second half, we heavily relied on Wuertz and Aardsma and they preformed very well.

        Player IP H ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
        Wuertz 37.0 27 8 3 13 38 1.95 1.08 .199
        Aardsma 34.2 24 12 5 14 35 3.12 1.10 .198
        Last edited by Bob Sacamento; 11-25-2006, 06:54 PM.
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        Line Drive: .356
        HBP: .342
        Non-Intentional Walk: .315
        Intentional Walk: .176
        Outfield Fly: .035
        Groundball: -.101
        Bunts: -.103
        Infield Fly: -.243
        Strikeout: -.287
        It's now officially Doctor Bob Sacamento, D.C., C.S.C.S., and working on my D.A.B.C.O. (Diplomate American Board of Chiropractic Orthopedics)

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        • #19
          When I say Cotts had a better year then his 2006 stats point to I'm actually saying, and most of all from July on, when he was put in to get that "one guy" out he was almost perfect. Most of his problem were earlier in the season and stemmed from being positioned as a setup man. I know the Cubs are going to want him as a setup, and possibly a 6th starter, but the point Im making is in his short career he has had success in all 3 relief roles. Setup, specialist, closer. Dont forget the guy was flawless in the specialist role in the 2005 World Series as well.

          Neal has two things really going for him. #1 is pressure doesn't really affect him, "kinda rare for a 26yo". #2 is he has both a delivery and stuff that is hard to hit for the first few batters, most of all leftys, when you put him in there. But the bottom line is we just dont really know how good he is yet. Ive seen him when hes as unhittable as anyone throwing the ball. I will add that the more players the Cubs can add to their team that are either used to success, or already have rings, the better for them.

          Ballplayers that experience putting that ring on always hunger for the next one and probably wont get rattled doing so. I believe the 2007 Cubs are shaping up into a unit that will not be content with "almosts".

          No.....this is a good trade for the Cubs. You'll see.
          "Let me start by telling you this: I have never used steroids. Period. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that. Never." :hyper:

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