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  • Who's been the nicest surprise this year?

    Compare what you thought would happen at the beginning of the year, versus what actually happened, and why.

    I voted for Marquis in part because my expectations were so low at the beginning of the year, that even though he hasn't been great, he's still exceeded my expectations by a lot. I didn't know that Marmol would be so dominating out of the pen so far, but I did think he had the ability to do very well out of the pen. There was a fair amount of buzz surrounding him early in the year, so he's less of a surprise for me.
    25
    Carlos Marmol
    40.00%
    10
    Mark DeRosa
    0.00%
    0
    Ted Lilly
    24.00%
    6
    Jason Marquis
    4.00%
    1
    Ryan Theriot
    28.00%
    7
    Daryle Ward
    0.00%
    0
    Kerry Wood
    0.00%
    0
    someone else
    4.00%
    1

    The poll is expired.

    Last edited by Scartissue; 09-11-2007, 05:55 PM.
    To offset some of the pain of being a diehard Cubs fan, I've learned to also be a moderate Yankees fan.

  • #2
    I gave my vote to Theriot because virtually nothing was expected of him this year, and he's been absolutely stellar, but voting against Marmol and Lilly was tough. If I could vote for all three, I would.
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    • #3
      first off GREAT POLL! I am going to post the same poll over at the 'hub.

      Anyway, I went into "Carlos Marmol Mode" when I voted.

      But I can make a case for every... EVERY person you have listed. I know he has had limited time in the Cubs uni.. but even Jason Kendall has done better than what most of us would have guessed.
      BELIEVE

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      • #4
        Originally posted by RBi View Post
        I know he has had limited time in the Cubs uni.. but even Jason Kendall has done better than what most of us would have guessed.
        I guess you are right. Kendall's defense has been awful, but I fully expected that, and his offense is better thus far than I thought. I couldn't bring myself to list him because I really prefer giving Soto most of the starts behind the dish.
        To offset some of the pain of being a diehard Cubs fan, I've learned to also be a moderate Yankees fan.

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        • #5
          Tough Move, here are my top 3
          1. Theriot
          2. Lilly
          3. Marmol

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          • #6
            Theriot got my vote too

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            • #7
              Two months ago I would have said Theriot, but he has comeback to earth at the plate and is a below average defensive SS. Marmol gets my vote, he's been a consistent driving force in the bullpen while he was suppose to be Iowa working on becoming a starter. As for Lilly, he hasn't suprised me, we've got near what I thought we would out of him this season. He's a lefty who was average in the toughest division in baseball (AL East) then comes to the weakest division in baseball. Marquis is still one of the luckiest pitchers in all of baseball much like he was in 2005. 2006 shows what happens when the luck runs out. Or you could look on the other side of it, and that Marquis isn't lucky but is highly skilled at getting out of jams, and 2006 was a year of not being able to get out of tough situations.
              What a Batted Ball is Worth (in terms of a run):
              Line Drive: .356
              HBP: .342
              Non-Intentional Walk: .315
              Intentional Walk: .176
              Outfield Fly: .035
              Groundball: -.101
              Bunts: -.103
              Infield Fly: -.243
              Strikeout: -.287
              It's now officially Doctor Bob Sacamento, D.C., C.S.C.S., and working on my D.A.B.C.O. (Diplomate American Board of Chiropractic Orthopedics)

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              • #8
                I voted for Marmol, and agree with Bob, Theriot was up there for awhile, but is fading, (Is the Riot getting Quiet?), and is showing that he probably isn't a full-time starting SS. Maybe the Cubs can pencil him next year IF a) we acquire a big bat for RF, and think about Theriot in the 8 hole, and b) keep Cedeno as defensive backup, and possible starter if he can hit like he did at Iowa.

                I didn't think that highly of Ward when he was signed, and he is still too limited defensively to start. But he can flat-out RAKE against right-handed pitching.

                The surprise of the half-season for me is how Eyre and Jones have turned it around. Eyre was probably a double cheeseburger away from a DFA, and most of us said "good riddance" when we tried to give away Jones to the Marlins. Eyre has posted an ERA slightly over 1 since the break, did I read that right? And Jones, has provided solid hitting, and even more shockingly, solid defence in CF. THAT is the biggest surprise of the year!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Jeff Pico View Post
                  I voted for Marmol, and agree with Bob, Theriot was up there for awhile, but is fading, (Is the Riot getting Quiet?), and is showing that he probably isn't a full-time starting SS. Maybe the Cubs can pencil him next year IF a) we acquire a big bat for RF, and think about Theriot in the 8 hole, and b) keep Cedeno as defensive backup, and possible starter if he can hit like he did at Iowa.

                  I didn't think that highly of Ward when he was signed, and he is still too limited defensively to start. But he can flat-out RAKE against right-handed pitching.

                  The surprise of the half-season for me is how Eyre and Jones have turned it around. Eyre was probably a double cheeseburger away from a DFA, and most of us said "good riddance" when we tried to give away Jones to the Marlins. Eyre has posted an ERA slightly over 1 since the break, did I read that right? And Jones, has provided solid hitting, and even more shockingly, solid defence in CF. THAT is the biggest surprise of the year!
                  Yeah.... Jones, Murton, and Eyre turning it on in the second half has been awesome. I might also add that DeRosa has done far more than I expected him to.
                  Senior Editor/Featured Writer for Home Of The Chiefs

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bob Sacamento View Post
                    As for Lilly, he hasn't suprised me, we've got near what I thought we would out of him this season. He's a lefty who was average in the toughest division in baseball (AL East) then comes to the weakest division in baseball. Marquis is still one of the luckiest pitchers in all of baseball much like he was in 2005.
                    Actually, Lilly's peripherals are far better this year than any year he has had, maybe the league switch is the difference. Marquis makes me nervous, but somehow keeps winning. And though Hill nearly lost last night, he didn't pitch that badly and is still having a great year despite the record.

                    I have to give Hendry credit, the money spent on Lilly was very well spent, and even Marquis is paying off so far. The only FA signing I fault lately is Eyre, and even there he's basically sucked for half a season out of 2. (OK, Jones he went a little crazy on, but there are worse contracts in baseball)

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jeff Pico View Post
                      Actually, Lilly's peripherals are far better this year than any year he has had, maybe the league switch is the difference. Marquis makes me nervous, but somehow keeps winning. And though Hill nearly lost last night, he didn't pitch that badly and is still having a great year despite the record.

                      I have to give Hendry credit, the money spent on Lilly was very well spent, and even Marquis is paying off so far. The only FA signing I fault lately is Eyre, and even there he's basically sucked for half a season out of 2. (OK, Jones he went a little crazy on, but there are worse contracts in baseball)
                      I can name one acquisition considerably worse than Eyre....







                      Neal Cotts
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by nathanKent View Post
                        I can name one acquisition considerably worse than Eyre....

                        Neal Cotts
                        Eyre was worse, because he cost more, about $10 mil. Cotts cost us Aardsma, which is nothing. At least you can dump Cotts and forget about it, but Eyre, we're stuck with, like it or not.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jeff Pico View Post
                          Eyre was worse, because he cost more, about $10 mil. Cotts cost us Aardsma, which is nothing. At least you can dump Cotts and forget about it, but Eyre, we're stuck with, like it or not.
                          I hear ya, but Eyre suddenly looks worth a little money. He might actually pay off for us in the playoffs, which is good, because I don't trust Ohman.
                          Senior Editor/Featured Writer for Home Of The Chiefs

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jeff Pico View Post
                            Actually, Lilly's peripherals are far better this year than any year he has had, maybe the league switch is the difference. Marquis makes me nervous, but somehow keeps winning. And though Hill nearly lost last night, he didn't pitch that badly and is still having a great year despite the record.
                            Lilly's peripheral advances are without a doubt the product of a league switch and shows how weak the NL, especially the Central, is. Marquis wins due to run support and lucky pitching, as for Hill he's putting up very close to what was thought.

                            I have to give Hendry credit, the money spent on Lilly was very well spent, and even Marquis is paying off so far. The only FA signing I fault lately is Eyre, and even there he's basically sucked for half a season out of 2. (OK, Jones he went a little crazy on, but there are worse contracts in baseball)
                            Not many were questioning the money Jim spent on Lilly, it was the length of contract (four years) given to a pitcher who's never been dominating, never gone long, who had been a #4 pitcher in the AL East.

                            As for Marquis, statistically he's one of luckiest pitchers in baseball just as he was in 2005. Still last offseason, no one else was offering him more than a one year guarenteed deal. The Cards had a one year plus option year offer on the table, while the Royals had the most lucrative one year deal out there. Then Jim swooped in and offered the money the Royals were offering while upping the years that Saint Louis was offering. Rothschild was a pusher for the Marquis signing as he stated he saw the flaws in Jason's 2006 delivery.

                            Concerning the Eyre signing, it was another one of those great short-term signings but had redflags longterm due Eyre's past play, peripherals and age. That's the price you pay for lefty specialist on the free agent market. On to Jones, it was a bargain deal at the time (15M/3YR). Despite his known splits against LHP, we were looking for a power bat especially a lefthanded one. While we signed Jones, the Cards signed our other option Juan Encarcion.
                            What a Batted Ball is Worth (in terms of a run):
                            Line Drive: .356
                            HBP: .342
                            Non-Intentional Walk: .315
                            Intentional Walk: .176
                            Outfield Fly: .035
                            Groundball: -.101
                            Bunts: -.103
                            Infield Fly: -.243
                            Strikeout: -.287
                            It's now officially Doctor Bob Sacamento, D.C., C.S.C.S., and working on my D.A.B.C.O. (Diplomate American Board of Chiropractic Orthopedics)

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                            • #15
                              Fact is it's hard to find ANY FA signing that seems like a bargain right after the ink dries, or a year thereafter, because of the ever spiraling amounts. Soriano was VERY expensive, yet I read somewhere GM's are expecting Andrew Jones (he of the .222 BA), to receive upwards of $70 to 90 mil, with Torii Hunter maybe even more. Suddenly, Soriano doesn't look that bad compared to those contracts, because he is younger, and still playing at his peak.

                              In fact, the ONLY signings I felt were bargains at the time were all RE-UPs; Lee in particular, and Barrett as well (even with the punches, $4mil a year wasn't bad).

                              There isn't a good answer, because for every signing you look at and say "that's a good one", there are a dozen that are terrible. Zambrano at $91 mil? That's alot, but maybe not when Gil Meche gets $55 mil.

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