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  • Jeff Pico
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    Soriano's deal is looking better all the time. He is $18 mil a year, granted longer term than Andrew, but younger and not coming off a bad year. I thought Hendry grossly overpaid for Soriano, but it's actually not looking THAT bad nowadays, when Hunter gets $90 mil at age 32, and Andrew gets this coming off a bad year.

    Hendry hasn't been perfect, but his FA track record is not bad so far. I can't recall us signing a player that was so bad vs. the money he was untradeable. I think you could even find a taker for Marquis with $14 mil left if you wanted to dump him.

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  • nathanKent
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    Originally posted by Bob Sacamento View Post
    The Dodgers still have options on Kemp, so they aren't pressed to deal him. Yet he has great value with his plus hitting and power and plus plate discipline. I really don't know if we have what it takes to make the Dodgers bite but if it takes a Lilly or a Marquis, it's a trade we should make.
    Marquis, yes. Lilly, no.

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  • Bob Sacamento
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    Originally posted by Scartissue View Post
    The 2 yrs at 18 million per looks like a good deal for the Dodgers. Low commitment, and at the same per year as Hunter. I would have liked this deal for the Cubs. Rumor is Kemp is now available for a top starter. Doubt Hill fits that profile, but if he does, Kemp would be a good return.
    The Dodgers still have options on Kemp, so they aren't pressed to deal him. Yet he has great value with his plus hitting and power and plus plate discipline. I really don't know if we have what it takes to make the Dodgers bite but if it takes a Lilly or a Marquis, it's a trade we should make.

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  • Scartissue
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    The 2 yrs at 18 million per looks like a good deal for the Dodgers. Low commitment, and at the same per year as Hunter. I would have liked this deal for the Cubs. Rumor is Kemp is now available for a top starter. Doubt Hill fits that profile, but if he does, Kemp would be a good return.

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  • Scartissue
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    Hunter just agreed to 5/90 mill. He's 2 years older than Jones. A year ago, it was a certainty Jones would get more than whatever Hunter got. Then Hunter did exactly what a soon-to-be free agent hopes to do, have one of his best years with the stick, and Jones does the exact opposite of what a soon-to-be free agent does, a career worst year.

    It's not a certainty, but Jones might still be in the same neighborhood as Jones. Then again, Angels are among the biggest spenders, and Jones didn't have the same buzz that Hunter did in the last few weeks. My guess is 5/75 mill for Jones, but I wouldn't be shocked if it were a lot higher or lower than that. His contract is really hard to predict.

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  • Bob Sacamento
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    Original estimates (pretty old ones) on Fukudome estimated that he would sign for around $15 million total, or roughly $4 million per, for 4 years, which is the price that he would make sense for the Cubs. I wouldn't do it if it is in the range of $8-12 million per.
    The 15million total for 3years is what he's looking for in Japan. While for an American team to convince to move, current estimates have him requiring 24-36 million for a total of 3 guarenteed years.

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  • Bob Sacamento
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    Originally posted by Jeff Pico View Post
    What is the talk about giving up for Carl Crawford? If I am Tampa Bay, I want the Cubs young pitching. I want Rich Hill, or I want Marmol, or I want Marshall and Jose Ceda. Trading Hill or Marmol probably wouldn't be worth it, and maybe that's why it's not happening.
    Tampa doesn't NEED to trade Crawford, they're taking bids to see if someone blows them away with multiple high impact young players, something the Cubs don't have. The Rays have no need for our young starting pitching, they have more and more high-end talent; The Rays have no need for our young outfielders, they have better ones. Tampa does like Carlos Marmol as a potential closer, but Marmol alone doesn't get the deal done or even close. Maybe Marmol AND Hill gets some wheels greasing but even that is unlikely.

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  • Jeff Pico
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    It's a tough quandary we have, everyone here is right on Andrew Jones or Fukudome, both have questions marks and aren't the perfect player.

    Hendry is bound and determined to land a left-handed hitting outfielder, and we do need a lefty bat. I usually have opinions, but at a loss on what to do. I do know signing Kaz Matsui is a bad idea, save that money for someone else.

    What is the talk about giving up for Carl Crawford? If I am Tampa Bay, I want the Cubs young pitching. I want Rich Hill, or I want Marmol, or I want Marshall and Jose Ceda. Trading Hill or Marmol probably wouldn't be worth it, and maybe that's why it's not happening.

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  • Scartissue
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    Originally posted by Bob Sacamento View Post
    someone will give him at least 3-4 years at 10million per if not 14million per...yet Fukudome is looking for 8-12 million per season in the MLB (for at least 3 years), which is double what he's asking from Japanese clubs.
    Jones and Fukudome at the same money, I'd take Jones over Fukudome in a hearbeat, but I expect Jones to be a lot more. They are the same age, and I'll take my chances that Jones had an unusually down year versus the chance that Fukudome's skills won't translate. Only drawback is if the Braves go arbitration and extract draft picks from losing him. Not sure if they will--it's a little risky for them to offer arbitration if they don't want Jones.

    Original estimates (pretty old ones) on Fukudome estimated that he would sign for around $15 million total, or roughly $4 million per, for 4 years, which is the price that he would make sense for the Cubs. I wouldn't do it if it is in the range of $8-12 million per.

    For all the talk of Jones losing a step defensively, the guys who study defense over at www.fieldingbible.com say he was the best defensive CF in 2007. He'll be plenty good defensively for another 2 to 3 years at least, barring injury.

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  • Lipsander
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    With my luck, we'll sign Mike Cameron. I think he's suspended for X amount of games for the beginnning of the season also. Cameron is the same type of player we most always sign. A good player that is on the decline.

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  • Bob Sacamento
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    Originally posted by The Splendid Splinter View Post
    im not a fan of Jones really, his D is starting to decline a little and on offense, his OBP doesn't make for his bad AVG like Dunn does. I rather go after Fukudome cuz i think Jones still gonna get like 10 mil a year anyway...
    Jones' D is starting to decline but seriously how long could he hold up playing the best D in one of the most demanding jobs of all time. That's right, Andruw at his peak, was one of the greatest (if not the greatest) defensive CF to ever play the game. Still his offensive skillset lacks in contact and his numbers are ever yet declining but someone will give him at least 3-4 years at 10million per if not 14million per.

    My problem with going after Fukudome is that we're falling in love with his numbers and abilities over in Japan, and often for a foreign hitter those skills don't translate out. Koshe's best attribute is his ability to work counts that skill is likely to stay but it's his contact and power that I have grave concerns over. Koshe is not the next Ichiro, he's not even the next Hideki Matsui, but in the same breath he's not So Taguchi; yet Fukudome is looking for 8-12 million per season in the MLB (for at least 3 years), which is double what he's asking from Japanese clubs. Koshe is really sending out the vibe that if an American team wants him, then they'll have to play by his rules and give him what he wants.

    i really believe that the cubs should give Pie the CF at the start of next season... he finally made it and saw some action... hes gonna train in the offseason and work on his offense some more... i really think he'll do better next year for us. i think he's gonna be better than patterson and look how long we gave him a shot... why cant we do that to pie? if not and we sign a CF, we need to trade him... or if a guy like Carl Crawford came up in trade talks and wanted pie in return(which they wouldnt cuz theyre loaded with OFs), then i would do it...
    Pie deserves a shot at CF next year but with the way Fuld just lite up the Arizona Fall League, he's likely to get a long look in Spring Training. Pie is alot like Patterson, the difference already is that Pie is more developed, he's paid his dues in the minors and didn't get the quick call like we gave Corey. Patterson actually should have been given a longer look due to how rapidly we excelled him through our system. CP has put up good numbers since leaving Chicago and turned into one of the best defensive centerfielders in baseball. The Cubs aren't going to give Pie the free run of CF like they had with Corey because Hendry, Pinella, and Co. want to win NOW, and they'll do whatever it takes to win now instead of bettering for the future.
    Last edited by Bob Sacamento; 11-21-2007, 10:13 AM.

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  • stejay
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    I think he would be a great signing for the cubs.

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  • Lipsander
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    Wouldn't it be something if Hendry pulled the strings on a deal for Santana? We'd give up alot, but.........nah, who am I kidding.

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  • Jeff Pico
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    Pie deserves a shot. Sure, I'd love to have Torii Hunter out there, who wouldn't, but the realities of money mean that isn't happening.

    We probably have the money to get one good player on the FA market, maybe 2; I wouldn't spend that in CF. That would mean giving up on Pie already.

    Besides, if Pie falls on his face, we have an acceptable alternative on the roster: Jacque Jones. I can't believe Jones actually played a good CF last year, but it happened, we saw it. He is a good backup option. Plan A, and Plan B.

    The #1 priority with our limited financial resources is a left-handed hitting corner outfielder. #2 is a pitcher. I am personally pushing for Fukudome, he would very nicely fit our needs. With Fukudome, Pie, and Soriano in the OF, our defense out there would go from Scary-Bad to Scary-Good, probably best in the majors (not kidding).

    As for #2, there are several ways we could go, we just need a little more Uumph. A left-handed releiver would be a great idea. A starter might be good too, though we would likely trade someone to do that, as it's getting crowded already.

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  • The Splendid Splinter
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    Originally posted by CUBS4VEDDER View Post
    yeah, I say go for Jones, I am not a fan of Felix Pie, he dropped way to many easy balls and he can't hit in clutch situations.
    considering that he had 0 errors last year (so he didn't drop any balls) in the MLB and it was his first year... at age 22 mind you... he did what i expected... play good D with below average offense...

    what were you expecting of him really? cant hit in "clutch" situation??? wow... first of all... he didnt have that many of those situations the only players on the cubs who did that this past year was A Ram mostly... i believe that the "clutch" situation is useless and cant prove it really. its really a bad way to say thats why you're not a fan of cuz of that.... are you a fan of a rod? he's not clutch... i can go on and on with that...

    im not a fan of Jones really, his D is starting to decline a little and on offense, his OBP doesn't make for his bad AVG like Dunn does. I rather go after Fukudome cuz i think Jones still gonna get like 10 mil a year anyway...

    i really believe that the cubs should give Pie the CF at the start of next season... he finally made it and saw some action... hes gonna train in the offseason and work on his offense some more... i really think he'll do better next year for us. i think he's gonna be better than patterson and look how long we gave him a shot... why cant we do that to pie? if not and we sign a CF, we need to trade him... or if a guy like Carl Crawford came up in trade talks and wanted pie in return(which they wouldnt cuz theyre loaded with OFs), then i would do it...

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