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  • #1

    Lou's projected lineup

    Too early to be written in stone obviously, but the article below seems to indicate that this is Lou's current thinking:

    Soriano
    Theriot
    Lee
    Ramirez
    Fukudome
    DeRosa
    Soto
    Pie

    See http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/art...=.jsp&c_id=chc

    Theriot second? Fukudome fifth? Say it ain't so Lou! All this work to get a high OBP guy, and you think he'll be best served batting fifth? What happens if we get Roberts? Will he bat fifth/sixth as well? Theriot is not a near-the-top-of-the-order guy.
    To offset some of the pain of being a diehard Cubs fan, I've learned to also be a moderate Yankees fan.
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    How the heck does Piniella let Soriano get away with batting leadoff with his power set? Sori should bat no higher than second.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Imgran View Post
      How the heck does Piniella let Soriano get away with batting leadoff with his power set? Sori should bat no higher than second.
      It could be because he believes Soriano hits better leadoff. I don't subscribe to that view, but a number of people do. Could be because of Soriano's speed, but that hasn't made sense since his leg injury. I'm as baffled as you are on that one.
      To offset some of the pain of being a diehard Cubs fan, I've learned to also be a moderate Yankees fan.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Scartissue View Post
        It could be because he believes Soriano hits better leadoff. I don't subscribe to that view, but a number of people do. Could be because of Soriano's speed, but that hasn't made sense since his leg injury. I'm as baffled as you are on that one.
        I wonder if it's because he knows that Soriano believes Soriano hits better leadoff.
        Senior Editor/Featured Writer for Home Of The Chiefs

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Scartissue View Post
          Too early to be written in stone obviously, but the article below seems to indicate that this is Lou's current thinking:

          Soriano
          Theriot
          Lee
          Ramirez
          Fukudome
          DeRosa
          Soto
          Pie
          The guys from Baseball Prospectus theorize that OBP is twice as important as SLG in determining batting order. They say that a lineup based off OBP in descending order will statistically produce the most runs. Based off last years stats here is what Lou's lineup should look like.

          D.Lee .400
          Fukudome .397 (Japan)
          M.DeRosa .371
          A. Ramirez .366
          Soto .359 (MiLB)
          Soriano .336
          Pie .333
          Theriot .326

          The theory is that with the more PA for your guys who get on base more will create more scoring. From a statistical standpoint it seems sound but in real life some players seem to have a preference as to where in the lineup they bat.

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          • #6
            While it makes perfect sense to go by OBP, there's also all the other factors that go into it, like who's hitting around you, how much speed you have, how much you actually make contact, just where you wind up usually hitting best. There's too many things, statistical and not that you have to consider.

            As for Soriano at leadoff, I've never been a fan of it, and I don't know what I think about Theriot batting second. I'd like to see how Pie looks in the preseason, maybe that'll change things, and I'd think that DeRosa or Fukudome would be a better 2 option.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hack_Miller View Post
              The guys from Baseball Prospectus theorize that OBP is twice as important as SLG in determining batting order. They say that a lineup based off OBP in descending order will statistically produce the most runs. Based off last years stats here is what Lou's lineup should look like.

              D.Lee .400
              Fukudome .397 (Japan)
              M.DeRosa .371
              A. Ramirez .366
              Soto .359 (MiLB)
              Soriano .336
              Pie .333
              Theriot .326

              The theory is that with the more PA for your guys who get on base more will create more scoring. From a statistical standpoint it seems sound but in real life some players seem to have a preference as to where in the lineup they bat.
              Switch DeRosa and Lee to compensate for the power differential and that really wouldn't be too bad.
              Senior Editor/Featured Writer for Home Of The Chiefs

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              • #8
                Originally posted by nathanKent View Post
                I wonder if it's because he knows that Soriano believes Soriano hits better leadoff.
                I just find it amazing that a major league club can jeopardise their chances of winning by going with a suboptimal lineup just because one of the players refuse to hit at the level where he is of best use to the team.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hack_Miller View Post
                  The guys from Baseball Prospectus theorize that OBP is twice as important as SLG in determining batting order. They say that a lineup based off OBP in descending order will statistically produce the most runs. Based off last years stats here is what Lou's lineup should look like.

                  D.Lee .400
                  Fukudome .397 (Japan)
                  M.DeRosa .371
                  A. Ramirez .366
                  Soto .359 (MiLB)
                  Soriano .336
                  Pie .333
                  Theriot .326

                  The theory is that with the more PA for your guys who get on base more will create more scoring. From a statistical standpoint it seems sound but in real life some players seem to have a preference as to where in the lineup they bat.
                  Yes, however you want your best hitter batting fourth so that he can get the highest amount of PAs with runners on base. If you ask me an ideal line up would be:

                  Soriano
                  DeRosa
                  Fukudome
                  Lee
                  Ramirez
                  Soto
                  Pie
                  Theriot/Cedeno


                  Soriano is most comfortable batting lead off, and when he's on base he can cause some trouble.
                  "he probably used some performance enhancing drugs so he could do a better job on his report...i hear they make you gain weight" - Dr. Zizmor

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ChrisLDuncan View Post
                    Soriano
                    DeRosa
                    Fukudome
                    Lee
                    Ramirez
                    Soto
                    Pie
                    Theriot/Cedeno
                    I like that lineup really well... Here's another idea for the lineup as well.

                    Soriano
                    Fukudome/DeRosa
                    Lee
                    Ramirez
                    DeRosa/Fukudome
                    Soto
                    Theriot/Cedeno
                    Pie
                    "Back before I injured my hip, I thought going to the gym was for wimps."
                    Bo Jackson

                    Actually, I think they were about the same because I lettered in all sports, and I was a two-time state decathlon champion.
                    Bo Jackson

                    My sophomore year I placed 2nd, and my junior and senior year - I got smart and piled up enough points between myself and second place where I didn't have to run the mile.
                    Bo Jackson

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Splendid Splinter View Post
                      I like that lineup really well... Here's another idea for the lineup as well.

                      Soriano
                      Fukudome/DeRosa
                      Lee
                      Ramirez
                      DeRosa/Fukudome
                      Soto
                      Theriot/Cedeno
                      Pie
                      I like this one quite a bit.
                      Senior Editor/Featured Writer for Home Of The Chiefs

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Splendid Splinter View Post
                        Soriano
                        Fukudome/DeRosa
                        Lee
                        Ramirez
                        DeRosa/Fukudome
                        Soto
                        Theriot/Cedeno
                        Pie
                        Originally posted by nathanKent View Post
                        I like this one quite a bit.
                        the reasoning behind this one is...
                        A. DeRosa/Fukudome are the best options (in terms of OBP) in front of Lee/Ramirez
                        B. if Fukudome hit 2nd... he'll break the big 3 righties
                        C. I don't know how many HRs Fukudome will have, but if he goes like in the low 20s or more then he should hit 5th.. If under 20, then he should bat 2nd (IMO, I think he'll hit in the mid teens in HR, but I think he'll be among the leaders in doubles which is great as a table setter for Lee and Ramirez)
                        D. Pie at 8th spot kinda acts like a 2nd leadoff hitter at times where Soriano gets some RBI chances, no pressure to produce at hitting, and let him learn to hit at the major level a little bit more to see if he'll improve from last year
                        E. We'll have speed at the beginning and the end of the lineup
                        F. If Soto can hit for power... he might take the 5th spot, Fukudome 2nd, and DeRosa 6th
                        G. Soriano/Fukudome/Lee... if that lineup happens in the late innings, most teams will have to use 2 relievers probably cuz of righty/lefty/righty combo... also pretty scary to face in the 1st inning as well
                        "Back before I injured my hip, I thought going to the gym was for wimps."
                        Bo Jackson

                        Actually, I think they were about the same because I lettered in all sports, and I was a two-time state decathlon champion.
                        Bo Jackson

                        My sophomore year I placed 2nd, and my junior and senior year - I got smart and piled up enough points between myself and second place where I didn't have to run the mile.
                        Bo Jackson

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                        • #13
                          We might as well start penciling in Roberts into the lineup.

                          Here is mine

                          Roberts 2b
                          Derosa SS
                          Fukudome RF
                          Lee 1b
                          Ramirez 3b
                          Soriano LF
                          Soto C
                          Pie CF

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cpomeroy View Post
                            We might as well start penciling in Roberts into the lineup.

                            Here is mine

                            Roberts 2b
                            Derosa SS
                            Fukudome RF
                            Lee 1b
                            Ramirez 3b
                            Soriano LF
                            Soto C
                            Pie CF
                            I thought that deal was stalled.
                            Senior Editor/Featured Writer for Home Of The Chiefs

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                            • #15
                              http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...eyman.roberts/


                              http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/...alks-are-back/

                              Several sites are saying talks are heating up again.

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