Marquis/Fuld to BoSox for Crisp?

[Bob Sacamento]

With the Brian Roberts talks stalling, the O's recently rejected a Cub offer of Gallagher/Veal/Cedeno/Patterson, Hendry is apparently looking elsewhere to find his leadoff hitter. Crisp would probably get more time than Pie, but a split isn't out of the question. While the BoSox are looking for a veteran starter who'll eat innings during the regular season and keep them in ballgames.

The veracity of the rumor is questionable but anything can happen.

[cpomeroy]

I am not the biggest fan of Marquis but it does seem like alot to give up for at best a #7 hitter. I really like the thought of PIE at the back of the line up reaping havoc on the bases.


I just hope that if this deal happens we don't lose PIE and he doesn't lose too much playing time. After seeing this kid in preseason, I think he will end up being the real deal. His hitting will eventually come around.

[nathanKent]

I see it as the exact opposite: two players who have proven themselves to be expendable for a valuable roleplayer. With Marquis gone we still have Marshall and Lieber as potential starters, so we lose nothing there. So what it really comes down to is who you want as the reserve CF: Fuld or Crisp? I'd take Crisp in a heartbeat.

[Scartissue]

I see it as the exact opposite: two players who have proven themselves to be expendable for a valuable roleplayer. With Marquis gone we still have Marshall and Lieber as potential starters, so we lose nothing there. So what it really comes down to is who you want as the reserve CF: Fuld or Crisp? I'd take Crisp in a heartbeat.

I've posted in another thread at the same time Bob posted his that this is a good haul for the players given up. That said, the downside with this trade is not that we didn't get good value, but rather that this will stunt Pie's growth if he's not traded. Pie also gives you stellar defense, and can probably put up at least what Crisp did with the bat at Boston, if not Cleveland, for a lot less money. On the other hand, Cubs just aren't willing to bet on Pie, which is understandable when so much money is on the payroll, and Crisp is probably more predictable.

Overall, I sort of like this trade, but not a slam dunk to me.

[nathanKent]

I've posted in another thread at the same time Bob posted his that this is a good haul for the players given up. That said, the downside with this trade is not that we didn't get good value, but rather that this will stunt Pie's growth if he's not traded. Pie also gives you stellar defense, and can probably put up at least what Crisp did with the bat at Boston, if not Cleveland, for a lot less money. On the other hand, Cubs just aren't willing to bet on Pie, which is understandable when so much money is on the payroll, and Crisp is probably more predictable.

Overall, I sort of like this trade, but not a slam dunk to me.

Nothing says that Pie can't start over Crisp. I'd prefer Crisp on the bench over Fuld or Cedeno.

[Scartissue]

Nothing says that Pie can't start over Crisp. I'd prefer Crisp on the bench over Fuld or Cedeno.

Except that Crisp is already making noise at Boston that he wants to start, which is part of the reason he might be moved. If Crisp were willing to sit on the bench, he'd actually be useful to the BoSox.

[Bob Sacamento]

I am not the biggest fan of Marquis but it does seem like alot to give up for at best a #7 hitter. I really like the thought of PIE at the back of the line up reaping havoc on the bases.


I just hope that if this deal happens we don't lose PIE and he doesn't lose too much playing time. After seeing this kid in preseason, I think he will end up being the real deal. His hitting will eventually come around.

Marquis is due close to 16M over the next two years while Crisp is due close to 10M plus a team option for the third year at 8M. Crisp is a slightly better hitter than he's posted the last two seasons for the BoSox and he's more like his career line .280/.330/.410/.740. A switch to the NL Central would also likely boost the 28 year olds numbers as well. If this deal actually went down, it would make Pie very expendible at the right price. I hate to say it but come midseason and if Jim thinks he's only player away from the championship and Pie is the chip needed, there's a good chance Felix is gone. Haven't you got the memo? We're in it to win now, Jim's job is on the line.

I see it as the exact opposite: two players who have proven themselves to be expendable for a valuable roleplayer. With Marquis gone we still have Marshall and Lieber as potential starters, so we lose nothing there. So what it really comes down to is who you want as the reserve CF: Fuld or Crisp? I'd take Crisp in a heartbeat.

With the way Lieber has thrown and looked in camp, it'll be hard not to give him the #5 spot with Dempster already being annointed the #4. Still depth is always nice to have especially with starting pitchers and Marshall plus Gallagher (if not dealt) still provide that. If we can find a taker for Marquis while improving our club, I say we do it. But that raises the question does Crisp make this a better team? Yes, he's a very good defensive CF and with his bat you know relatively what your getting plus he's still in his peaking offensive years. Pie has a chance to be something special yet will endure some serious growing pains at time this season and when your team is a win now format, that usually means quick hooks.

[Bob Sacamento]

Except that Crisp is already making noise at Boston that he wants to start, which is part of the reason he might be moved. If Crisp were willing to sit on the bench, he'd actually be useful to the BoSox.

Exactly and that's what scares me. Like Marquis, Coco wants to start and that would be why he was traded. Crisp is under contract for two years plus a team option. If he was added it would significiantly increase the end of Felix Pie in Chicago. Whether he's put into the Baltimore deal this offseason or dealt for a key player at the deadline, his chances of being used as a chip would be huge.

[Hack_Miller]

The marketplace for a 5th starter that has a contract like Marquis is pretty small. If Marquis were due 1M or so he would be far more valuable on the market. As it is early in the season, the Red Sox would be one of a very few teams looking to eat that kind of money for a 5th starter as losing Crisp's contract could make it a wash for them.

Crisp could be valuable defensively for sure and it's been pointed out that coming to the NL Central could give his bat a boost. I just think if the Cubs trade Marquis and bring Crisp in for the kind of money he's getting, he won't be the 4th OF'er. That means Pie would probably be dealt for a another player later this year if there's a playoff push.

[Lipsander]

With the Brian Roberts talks stalling, the O's recently rejected a Cub offer of Gallagher/Veal/Cedeno/Patterson, Hendry is apparently looking elsewhere to find his leadoff hitter.

Isn't that a little much for Brian Roberts?

[rockin500]

Isn't that a little much for Brian Roberts?

or a lot much?

[nathanKent]

or a lot much?

Yep. And I still don't see him as a significant upgrade over DeRosa.

[Silver Blaze]

Getting rid of Marquis would be addition by subtraction given his inflated self-opinion and taking on Pinella - a battle he is guaranteed to lose. If he wants to start somewhere else, give him the chance and get someone back who actually wants to play in Chicago.

[Imgran]

The marketplace for a 5th starter that has a contract like Marquis is pretty small. If Marquis were due 1M or so he would be far more valuable on the market. As it is early in the season, the Red Sox would be one of a very few teams looking to eat that kind of money for a 5th starter as losing Crisp's contract could make it a wash for them.

Crisp could be valuable defensively for sure and it's been pointed out that coming to the NL Central could give his bat a boost. I just think if the Cubs trade Marquis and bring Crisp in for the kind of money he's getting, he won't be the 4th OF'er. That means Pie would probably be dealt for a another player later this year if there's a playoff push.

While we'd be interested in eating money for the right pitcher, Marquis isn't that pitcher. He struggles in a division we consider far weaker than our own and is owed a lot of money, and we already have 3 guys in line to dduel for the 5th rotation spot named Devern Hansack, Clay Buchholz and Bartolo Colon. You give me a choice between Bartolo Colon for short money and an expensive Jason Marquis and YOU tell ME which one I take a flier on.

As for Fuld, we have a non-roster invitee named Jonathan Van Every in the fold already who's likely to be more useful to us than Fuld would ever be, and if we wanted a reserve 4th outfielder batting lefty, Brandon Moss is our man anyway -- Fuld doesn't hold a candle to Moss as Brandon adds an element of power Fuld lacks and is already somewhat proven. That, and Moss has had some nice looks at first base

Speaking of Moss, I wouldn't trade him to the Cubs for that package, much less Crisp. Any deal for Crisp starts with Kerry Wood.

[Lipsander]

Yeah, your right dude. Your team does not want Marquis.