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To offset some of the pain of being a diehard Cubs fan, I've learned to also be a moderate Yankees fan.
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Originally posted by Jeff Pico View PostPS, maybe we should start another thread......
Theriot vs. Cedeno
I would like Ronny to get more PT. Theriot is a guy I LOVE to have on the bench, but not in the starting lineup.What a Batted Ball is Worth (in terms of a run):
Line Drive: .356
HBP: .342
Non-Intentional Walk: .315
Intentional Walk: .176
Outfield Fly: .035
Groundball: -.101
Bunts: -.103
Infield Fly: -.243
Strikeout: -.287
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Originally posted by Bob Sacamento View PostWell Lou has worked both into the lineup today but not at the best defensive arrangement; Theriot at SS and Cedeno at 2B. Why Lou why?To offset some of the pain of being a diehard Cubs fan, I've learned to also be a moderate Yankees fan.
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Hey Bob,
Do you know if Pie can bunt for singles? He's got the speed, but don't recall seeing him do that in the few times I've seen him play. Some guys have very high success rates when bunting for singles. I'm wondering if he's one of them.To offset some of the pain of being a diehard Cubs fan, I've learned to also be a moderate Yankees fan.
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Originally posted by Scartissue View PostHey Bob,
Do you know if Pie can bunt for singles? He's got the speed, but don't recall seeing him do that in the few times I've seen him play. Some guys have very high success rates when bunting for singles. I'm wondering if he's one of them.What a Batted Ball is Worth (in terms of a run):
Line Drive: .356
HBP: .342
Non-Intentional Walk: .315
Intentional Walk: .176
Outfield Fly: .035
Groundball: -.101
Bunts: -.103
Infield Fly: -.243
Strikeout: -.287
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Originally posted by Scartissue View PostMy theory is Lou's method of evaluating defense is probably the outdated fielding percentage, which is just the converse of errors. Cedeno's made a few errors, so maybe in Lou's mind, Theriot's the better SS defensively.
If Ronny keeps on hitting though, I wonder what Lou does with one of his favorites in Theriot. I want it to turn into Theriot as the supersub subbing at 2B, SS, etc yet I doubt that happens.What a Batted Ball is Worth (in terms of a run):
Line Drive: .356
HBP: .342
Non-Intentional Walk: .315
Intentional Walk: .176
Outfield Fly: .035
Groundball: -.101
Bunts: -.103
Infield Fly: -.243
Strikeout: -.287
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Originally posted by Bob Sacamento View PostHe's never really laid them down with regularity and it's never been a part of game despite being a table setter much of his career. Just like Corey Patterson, Pie's speed and lefthanded stick would give him an advantage of laying one down for a hit ala Brett Butler but the organization has been more worried about keeping his K's down and his stroke lean. In the 06-07 offseason (where Pie didn't get the MLB callup), the Cubs had Pie working with special adviser Bobby Dernier on his basestealing technique and leadoff hitter skills. Pie is one of our fastest runners on the team but he gets poor pitcher reads and bad jumps, elsewise he'd be a 50 SB candidate.
Baseball Prospectus made a couple of interesting observations about Pie. First, they back up your argument that Pie is one of the best if not the best defensive CFs in the game. Extrapolating to a 162 game season, Pie has the highest SFR (simple fielding runs) of any CF in the game, and has the highest of anyone since Terrence Long in 2004. Over 162 games, Pie would have had a SFR of 40.1. That's 40 runs better than the average CF (add that to the runs he creates as a hitter, and it's easy to see why his overall contributions have substantial value). That's 2 times better than any CF whose name does not sound like a breakfast cereal. That's 67 runs better than a guy who can't field, like Nick Swisher. Pie's throwing prowess wasn't rate adjusted, but with his arm, he's even more valuable than SFR would indicate. If I remember correctly, BP recently also noted that Pie is one of the better baserunners, which makes sense given he knows how to read the ball off bats and has great speed.To offset some of the pain of being a diehard Cubs fan, I've learned to also be a moderate Yankees fan.
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Let's just hope he learns how to read the ball off his own bat a little better.Senior Editor/Featured Writer for Home Of The Chiefs
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Originally posted by Ubiquitous View PostI don't think fielding metrics have a good handle on Wrigley Field. Virtually anybody who plays half their games at Wrigley end up looking like gods according to fielding metrics.Last edited by Scartissue; 04-23-2008, 08:47 AM.To offset some of the pain of being a diehard Cubs fan, I've learned to also be a moderate Yankees fan.
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Originally posted by Ubiquitous View PostI meant Cf'ers.To offset some of the pain of being a diehard Cubs fan, I've learned to also be a moderate Yankees fan.
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Well, I don't think it's fair to say Felix Pie's the best defensive CF in the game based on statistics quite yet. I will say i've seen him take some questionable routes and his jumps aren't spectacular. That being said, he's certainly not bad.
My problem with using statistics to measure Felix Pie's prowess lies in several things. First off, he's had a very small sample to draw from. Not to mention, defensive statistics are unreliable and do not always necessarily agree with each other. Not criticizing anybody, but SFR shouldn't be seriously considered as the end-all, say-all statistic in rating how good he is. BP still considers that metric to be in a beta phase. Also, the year to year performance of fielders is highly variable as well, given his small sample size, he may be performing at a rate that differs from his natural ability. Terrence Long is the record holder for SFR as well. I took a quick glance at some metrics concerning Long (because I've always considered him to be below average). Given partial playing, his win share rate was still spectacularly low, he wasn't making a ton of out-of-zone plays, his RZR was very low, and his RF was below league average except in left (whoopeee). Clearly, there's some inconsistencies to be worked out in that stat. It may have been skewed by his abnormally high kill rate that year...
A note about Cubs' CFers. Given the variability between years, I'd say Cubs CFers are the hardest to rate. The only guys I can remember that have started there for more than a single season in recent history are Brian McRae and Corey Patterson. Names such as Damon Buford, Gary Matthews, Lance Johnson and Juan Pierre immediately come to mind.
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