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  • During the Big Red Machine years who batted leadoff?

    Did Rose or Morgan ever leadoff or was it Griffey?

  • #2
    --It was mostly Rose, with Morgan batting 2nd or 3rd. If memory serves, Morgan batted more leadoff after Rose left as a FA and Griffey occasionally led off both before and after. I don't think they really had a set lineup, as Sparky liked to juggle a bit.
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    • #3
      The original "Big Red Machine" team (1970) had Rose batting leadoff with Bobby Tolan hitting second. Then you had the big bombers, Bench, Perez and May.

      I remember Rose batting leadoff most of the time in the 1960's, but for a couple of seasons I believe Tommy Harper led off for the Reds.

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      • #4
        Big Red Machine

        Go to www.retrosheet.org and click on boxscores. You can find the boxscores for many past seasons.

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        • #5
          who batted leadoff

          Rose was the leadoff hitter simply becuase charlie hustle could get on base and we all know how important the leadoff batter getting on base is to a team. FYI, here is the lineup that Sparky used for most of '75 and '76 while the other Big Red Machines in early '70's had a few different players but I really didnt consider them as the Big Red Machine of 75 and 76.

          Rose
          Griffey
          Morgan
          Bench
          Perez
          Foster
          Concepcion
          Geronimo
          Pitcher


          In fact, I think Rose was leadoff for most of his playing time with the Reds.
          What a team they were.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by john_moore238
            Rose was the leadoff hitter simply becuase charlie hustle could get on base and we all know how important the leadoff batter getting on base is to a team. FYI, here is the lineup that Sparky used for most of '75 and '76 while the other Big Red Machines in early '70's had a few different players but I really didnt consider them as the Big Red Machine of 75 and 76.

            Rose
            Griffey
            Morgan
            Bench
            Perez
            Foster
            Concepcion
            Geronimo
            Pitcher


            In fact, I think Rose was leadoff for most of his playing time with the Reds.
            What a team they were.
            Looking at that lineup, its no question why they were so good.

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            • #7
              The http://www.baseball-reference.com/te.../1976_bo.shtml


              Lineup usually looked like this:
              Rose
              Griffey
              Morgan
              Foster
              Bench
              Perez
              Geronimo
              Concepcion

              During the WS:
              Rose
              Griffey
              Morgan
              Foster
              Driesen
              Bench
              Perez
              Concepcion
              Geronimo
              In the 1920's, Harry Heilmann led the AL with a .364 average. In addition, he averaged 220 hits, 45 doubles, 12 triples, 16 homers, 110 runs, and 130 RBI.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by HDH
                The http://www.baseball-reference.com/te.../1976_bo.shtml


                Lineup usually looked like this:
                Rose
                Griffey
                Morgan
                Foster
                Bench
                Perez
                Geronimo
                Concepcion

                During the WS:
                Rose
                Griffey
                Morgan
                Foster
                Driesen
                Bench
                Perez
                Concepcion
                Geronimo
                was Driesen the DH? and how good of a hitter was he that he was put ahead of JB (i ask because i honestly know nothing of Driesen)?
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                • #9
                  Morgan should have led off.
                  "He studied hitting like a broker studies the stock market, how a scribe studies the scriptures" - Carl Yastrzemski on Ted Williams

                  "The greatest clutch hitter in Red Sox history has done it again! Big Papi!" - Don Orsillo's call of Ortiz's walk-off single

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by keepthefaith3
                    Morgan should have led off.
                    I think they did fine how they had it.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ravenlord
                      was Driesen the DH? and how good of a hitter was he that he was put ahead of JB (i ask because i honestly know nothing of Driesen)?
                      Driessen was the DH in all four games. In fact, it was the first year the allowed the DH in the Series.When they finally allowed the DH in the Series, it was on a every-other year basis and in ALL games (until '86 when it became yearly and only in the AL parks), so in 76, Driessen DHed in both Yankee Stadium & Riverfront.

                      He went 5 for 14 (.357) with a homer and 2 doubles. The HR was his only RBI in the '76 Series.
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                      • #12
                        You know, a funny thing happened as soon as Pete Rose retired... Before he retired, he was deamed the greatest leadoff hitter of all time. After he retired, it coincided with new national announcers and he was virtually forgotten. The new announcers crowned Rickey Henderson greatest leadoff hitter. From someone who saw them both at their peaks, Pete Rose is my choice as the greatest lead off hitter. Joe Morgan batted 3rd and fit perfectly in that lneup. Rose, Ken Griffey, and Joe Morgan all acted as a leadoff team, if that makes sense to you.

                        I remember thinking Sparky Anderson was a lunatic for putting Dan Driesen in the lineup in the World Series ahead of Tony Perez and Johnny Bench. As it turned out, it was perfect. The entire Reds lineup including DXriesen and George Foster could run well except Perez and Bench. Also, Dan Driesen was a left handed hitter. Bench was injuried and had an off year during the season. The old Johnny Bench showed up at the WS and was the Classic's MVP.
                        In the 1920's, Harry Heilmann led the AL with a .364 average. In addition, he averaged 220 hits, 45 doubles, 12 triples, 16 homers, 110 runs, and 130 RBI.

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