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  • #31
    what upside?

    '06 SF starters in 2005= 46-39 (.541)...Schmidt, Morris & Cain had winning records...Lowery was .500 (13-13)....Hennessey had the only losing record

    '06 LA Starters in 2005= 34-43 (.442)...Perez, Penny, Lowe & Houlton had losing records...Jackson's the only who didn't (2-2) if LA gets Weaver back he was 14-11, which would change record to 42-41 (.506) (removing Houlton's record}

    post All-Star break
    Schmidt...6-2 3.66
    Morris...4-8 5.32h (10-2 before break)
    Lowery...8-4 2.43
    Cain...2-1 2.33
    Hennessey...2-6 4.43

    Lowe...7-6 3.17
    Penny...2-4 4.48
    Perez...3-3 4.09
    Jackson...2-2 6.28
    Houlton...2-7 4.62:o
    Weaver...7-3 3.97

    career winning pct.
    SF starters- 245-167 (.595)
    LA starters- 282-278 (.504)

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    • #32
      notice I haven't put Accardo in the mix. If I recall Hawkins played a large part in those meltdowns. These bullpens have to go up against the other NL teams as well...let's not lose sight of that fact.

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      • #33
        Not against the Dodgers, though. The September 6 meltdown was all Accardo, and the September 7 was all Benitez. Hawkins actually did pretty well against LA last year.
        SOUVENEZ-VOUS LES EXPOS!!!
        "The future's uncertain and the end is always near" - Jim Morrison

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        • #34
          Originally posted by RobertHConner
          '06 SF starters in 2005= 46-39 (.541)...Schmidt, Morris & Cain had winning records...Lowery was .500 (13-13)....Hennessey had the only losing record

          '06 LA Starters in 2005= 34-43 (.442)...Perez, Penny, Lowe & Houlton had losing records...Jackson's the only who didn't (2-2) if LA gets Weaver back he was 14-11, which would change record to 42-41 (.506) (removing Houlton's record}

          post All-Star break
          Schmidt...6-2 3.66
          Morris...4-8 5.32h (10-2 before break)
          Lowery...8-4 2.43
          Cain...2-1 2.33
          Hennessey...2-6 4.43

          Lowe...7-6 3.17
          Penny...2-4 4.48
          Perez...3-3 4.09
          Jackson...2-2 6.28
          Houlton...2-7 4.62:o
          Weaver...7-3 3.97

          career winning pct.
          SF starters- 245-167 (.595)
          LA starters- 282-278 (.504)
          And records matter? Uhhhh no... a pitchers record is one of the most overrated stats there are, mainly because they can give up 1 run in 8 innings and lose as opposed to 4 in 5 and win

          Robert you need to look at numbers from many years, not just one... use a range of 3 years to determine who the better player is, if a player is coming off a career year it doesnt automatically make him better than someone who is consistently good...

          Don't know how you can say SF's bullpen is better, Gagne is the best in the business and Sanchez and Brazoban are better than Worrell and Kline easily...

          The Giants will finish 3rd, mainly because 3/4 of their team could apply for welfare... that and the Dodgers and Padres are better

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Astro
            And records matter? Uhhhh no... a pitchers record is one of the most overrated stats there are, mainly because they can give up 1 run in 8 innings and lose as opposed to 4 in 5 and win

            Robert you need to look at numbers from many years, not just one... use a range of 3 years to determine who the better player is, if a player is coming off a career year it doesnt automatically make him better than someone who is consistently good...

            Don't know how you can say SF's bullpen is better, Gagne is the best in the business and Sanchez and Brazoban are better than Worrell and Kline easily...

            The Giants will finish 3rd, mainly because 3/4 of their team could apply for welfare... that and the Dodgers and Padres are better
            The same Gagne coming off of Tommy John surgery? The same Brazoban with the 4-10 record, 5.33 ERA and 1.40 WHIP in 2005? We shall see.
            Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 12-20-2005, 01:25 PM.
            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • #36
              Originally posted by wilkerson_rulz
              Don't care.
              Hate Dodgers(see Blue Monday, Dodgers vs. Expos)
              Hope Dodgers and Rick Monday's legacy fold.
              GO ANGELS!

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              • #37
                Interesting ...

                First of all ... Moises Alou is better than J.D. Drew. Drew had one good season ... Moises is a seasoned veteran.

                Now, the main reason that The Dodgers will not win the west, outside of their not nearly effective pitching, is the fact that if Barry Bonds is healthy ... The Giants are healthy. Barry Bonds' presence in the middle of that lineup changes everything ... so much so that Moises might have 140 RBI next year. Everybody in front of Barry will see good pitches ... and Moises will have opportunity after opportunity - for sure.

                On top of that ... I really don't think that The Dodgers have made that much of a significant difference. Furcal is a good pickup at way too high of a price. But, as a team, they have more question marks than solid answers. Will Nomar stay healthy and be as good as he was before the injury bug knocked him down? Will J.D. Drew stay healthy and hit as well as he did in one season with Atlanta (not probable)? Is Mueller on the decline? Lofton? Sandy Alomar has been. Will Weaver ever become consistent? Will Penny stay healthy long enough to be good? Can Lowe be as good as he was in the second half? Who's Edwin Jackson? Some of us really know who he is, but, he hasn''t shown solid enough stuff to be KNOWN. He did beat Randy Johnson in his first ML start, though.

                With that said, let me say that I used to love The Dodgers ... I hated the Giants ... but, this team that is being assembled looks more like a patch job than an actual threat to win the division. They'll stop the bleeding for a minute, but in no way will they be a threatening force. Not even close.

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                • #38
                  The Giants are getting old aswell, most of their good players are getting toward points in their career where players start to decline

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                  • #39
                    You guys are seriously thinking you can make accurate predictions by using statistics?

                    Statheads are seldom right on any predictions. But it makes for amusing threads. Anyone have the stats on tomorrow's Lotto numbers? I'd like to be filthy rich.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Elvis9045
                      Statheads are seldom right on any predictions.
                      Erm... righhhhhhhhhht

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                      • #41
                        1. Dodgers 86-90
                        2. Gnats 82-85
                        3. Madres 75-80
                        4. Garden Snakes 70-75
                        5. Colorado 65-70


                        Right that down. Bet on it. That is how the NL West will end up

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Astro
                          And records matter? Uhhhh no... a pitchers record is one of the most overrated stats there are, mainly because they can give up 1 run in 8 innings and lose as opposed to 4 in 5 and win
                          Wins and losses are not that overrated. Yeah, a guy can go 8, give up 1, and get the loss when he should have had the win. And he can get the win instead of the loss sometimes when they go 5 and give up 4. It happens. But the key word two sentences ago was SOMETIMES. More than half of the time, when a starter pitches well, he will get the win. I don't have the exact stats, but I'm sure it's about 60 or 70 percent. The outcasts that you mentioned don't happen enough to seriously affect the overall numbers. The Rotation Win % of .595 and .504 are so far apart that a bad offense on a great pitching night won't change the outcome too much, and vice versa.

                          Originally posted by Astro
                          The Giants will finish 3rd, mainly because 3/4 of their team could apply for welfare... that and the Dodgers and Padres are better
                          Uh, which NL West are you talking about? What year in the past did you use for this example? Or, in your words, "Erm... righhhhhhhhhht"
                          Last edited by Dravecky43; 12-21-2005, 02:08 AM.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Jake83
                            1. Dodgers 86-90
                            2. Gnats 82-85
                            3. Madres 75-80
                            4. Garden Snakes 70-75
                            5. Colorado 65-70


                            Right that down. Bet on it. That is how the NL West will end up
                            Erm... righhhhhhhhhht Nice math.
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                            • #44
                              Dodgers
                              Giants
                              Diamondbacks
                              Padres
                              Rockies
                              Using a stolen chant from Boston Celtics fans whenever an L.A. team is playing up there just reeks of inferiority complex.

                              If hitting a baseball is the toughest thing to do in sports, then pitching must be the easiest thing to do in sports.

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                              • #45
                                They look great on paper

                                It will be a little disconcerting to see all those players from different teams sporting Dodger blue in '06. But, the bigger question will be if any team in the NL West will finish above .500 next season. Jeezer, who would have guessed only the Padres in '05 did, and that was just barely.
                                Last edited by trosmok; 12-21-2005, 01:05 PM.
                                Baseball is a ballet without music. Drama without words ~Ernie Harwell

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