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  • Valentin Returning To Mets

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/11132006...el_sherman.htm

    By MICHAEL MORRISSEY, MARK HALE and JOEL SHERMAN
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    November 13, 2006 -- As a reward for emerging as the productive replacement to Kaz Matsui at second base, Jose Valentin has agreed to a contract with the Mets that will more than quadruple his salary.

    Valentin has agreed to terms on a one-year deal with a vesting option for 2008 that would guarantee him $4 million - and considerably more if the option vests.

    It's a huge pay raise for the 37-year-old infielder, who earned a relatively economical $912,500 last season and reportedly was courted by a handful of other teams this month. The vesting option for 2008 is based on plate appearances, and the agreement was reached pending a physical.

    Valentin batted .271 with 18 homers and 62 RBIs in 384 at-bats, and he played great defense at second despite not playing there since 1994

    Valentin was a surprise starter in 2006 after languishing on the bench during the first month of the season, becoming a key component as the Mets climbed to the top of the National League.
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  • #2
    Hmmm. Teams often make mistakes assuming a guy will due this year what he did last year when his track record says otherwise. Valentin posted a 112 OPS+ last year which is his highest since 2001 and reverses four consecutive years of decline. I guess if he sucks you can keep him from vesting for 2008.
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    • #3
      Terrible Terrible Terrible. I honestly thought if he were to come back, it would be for around $2 million or less -- not for $3-4 million. This is flat out stupid. We need a real 2B, not some guy who has a good year for the first time in 4+ years. The guy is 37 years old. How many good seasons are left in him? Zero if I were to guess. God, this is why I think Minaya is stupid.
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      • #4
        Probably resigned as a bench player. If all he got was a year with an option, I doubt he'll be playing every day. Especially because of the continued interest in not only Alfonso Soriano, but also Julio Lugo. Lugo wouldn't play any position except starting at second base with the Mets.
        Last edited by Dalkowski110; 11-13-2006, 11:04 AM.
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        • #5
          I'm actually quite okay with this signing, as well as the pay raise. We can only hope José contributes to the next season as well as he did for this one, but more importantly, I've long believed that players should be paid based on past performance (rather than potential future performance). I feel that this is Valentin's just reward for contributing so well to the '06 Mets.

          Good for him.
          "And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."


          Put it in the books.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by milladrive
            I'm actually quite okay with this signing, as well as the pay raise. We can only hope José contributes to the next season as well as he did for this one, but more importantly, I've long believed that players should be paid based on past performance (rather than potential future performance). I feel that this is Valentin's just reward for contributing so well to the '06 Mets.

            Good for him.
            No offense, but that's a bit ignorant. Keeping players around that won't contribute, especially for more money, is a good way to run a franchise into the ground.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dalkowski110
              Probably resigned as a bench player. If all he got was a year with an option, I doubt he'll be playing every day. Especially because of the continued interest in not only Alfonso Soriano, but also Julio Lugo. Lugo wouldn't play any position except starting at second base with the Mets.
              Hes gonna be the everyday 2B. Even the Mets wouldnt give him 3 mil to be a platoon player. Plus he wouldnt come back unless guarenteed starting job

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              • #8
                Sorry, but Valentin is not going to be the starting second baseman. A single nymets.com archives report from a while back isn't gonna convince me. If there are still NUMEROUS sources coming from inside the Mets saying they're pursuing at least Lugo and Loretta (Soriano is also being pursued, but he could wind up in the outfield), then why? What's the point? There have been higher-paid backups...
                Last edited by Dalkowski110; 11-13-2006, 02:00 PM.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by moebarguy
                  No offense, but that's a bit ignorant. Keeping players around that won't contribute, especially for more money, is a good way to run a franchise into the ground.
                  Yeah, you're probably right about my naïveté. I'm just a Utopian at heart.

                  Of course, though, there's nothing that says he won't contribute. The Mets are not a dumb organization (...except when outta the blue and orange they throw away their 27yo extremely supportive regular rightfielder).
                  "And their chances of getting back into this ballgame are growing dimmer by the batter."


                  Put it in the books.

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                  • #10
                    Of course, if Valentin does come back at least semi-regularly, and we win the bidding war on Alfonso Soriano, there's always this complex scenario...

                    Vs. Lefthanded pitching, you'd have Soriano at second, Valentin on the bench, and Milledge in LF.

                    Vs. Righthanded pitching, you'd have Soriano in left, and Valentin at second, with Milledge on the bench.
                    Last edited by Dalkowski110; 11-13-2006, 02:12 PM.
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                    -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

                    Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by milladrive
                      Yeah, you're probably right about my naïveté. I'm just a Utopian at heart.

                      Of course, though, there's nothing that says he won't contribute. The Mets are not a dumb organization (...except when outta the blue and orange they throw away their 27yo extremely supportive regular rightfielder).
                      On the contrary, the Mets are a pretty dumb organization. They've made some of the worst trades in history, and countless free agent signings that have backfired. They have made various errors in judgement, and although Valentin will just cost them $3 million, it is still a mistake.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dalkowski110
                        Of course, if Valentin does come back at least semi-regularly, and we win the bidding war on Alfonso Soriano, there's always this complex scenario...

                        Vs. Lefthanded pitching, you'd have Soriano at second, Valentin on the bench, and Milledge in LF.

                        Vs. Righthanded pitching, you'd have Soriano in left, and Valentin at second, with Milledge on the bench.
                        Whether he comes off the bench or starts, $3 million is too much for him. There is no way that he will produce like he did last season. He shouldn't start for us at 2B. And even if he is just a bench player, $3 million for that is borderline insane.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dalkowski110
                          Sorry, but Valentin is not going to be the starting second baseman. A single nymets.com archives report from a while back isn't gonna convince me. If there are still NUMEROUS sources coming from inside the Mets saying they're pursuing at least Lugo and Loretta (Soriano is also being pursued, but he could wind up in the outfield), then why? What's the point? There have been higher-paid backups...
                          Dont look at the report, look at the money.

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                          • #14
                            Name me a backup who made 4 mil to just that a Backup...in other words not someone who signed as starter, struggled and then became a backup

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                            • #15
                              First off, it's 3 million. Second off...okay...although we'll adjust it to 3 mil...


                              Michael Tucker got awfully close with the Royals, and was not slated as a starting outfielder ($2,750,000).

                              Todd Hollandsworth from 2001-2002 also got awfully close, earning the same amount that Tucker did.

                              Lance Johnson with the 1998-1999 Chicago Cubs (although they may have been eating his Mets contract.)

                              Jose Vizcaino in 2000; although he took a huge pay cut afterward, I'm almost positive he was not slated to play every day or at least be platooned.

                              Joe Girardi with the 1998 and 1999 Yankees.
                              "They put me in the Hall of Fame? They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel!"
                              -Eppa Rixey, upon learning of his induction to the Baseball Hall of Fame.

                              Motafy (MO-ta-fy) vt. -fied, -fying 1. For a pitcher to melt down in a big game situation; to become like Guillermo Mota. 2. The transformation of a good pitcher into one of Guillermo Mota's caliber.

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