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  • and Drew Henson was supposed to be the next John Elway. Instead the guy he split time with is considered by many to be the GOAT QB in the NFL

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    • Originally posted by mandrake View Post

      On the surface of course it looks pretty good but each season , as far as the Mets traditionally go , stands on its own .
      1970 was a flop ; 1974 was a disaster ; so was 1987 ; 1989 was a dud , as was 2001 , 2007 , 2008 . Each season the Mets won a WS , or a pennant , or a division they followed up with a disappointing season .

      Way too many variables - does Noah stay ? Is Wheeler here ? Do we get another 50 homer season ? The pieces ARE there for a good nucleus but this is a season that they could have snuck in ala 2015 .

      The fact remains that if they don’t win it this year ( still alive !!!!) it means the longest drought ever for NYC without a NL WS
      winner continues at 33 very long years
      And the team that left Brooklyn for greener pastures will have a 31 year drought if they fail again this year.
      The team that left the Polo Grounds had a 52 year drought in SF. Maybe NY based NL teams or NL teams that originated in NY are cursed. The “not the Yankees” curse.

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      • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
        Talk about balderdash.

        Now that I have used the word balderdash several times now........I must go. I will meet with Ophelia at once as we have a brunch meeting with Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. We will discuss Polonius and his conniving ways. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT]
        What fresh hell is this?
        Where's Shea Knight when you need him?
        They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

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        • Gibson won the 1988 MVP in part because of what he did for the culture of the team in spring training that year. He got all pissed off about a prank pulled on him by Orosco and told the team that he wasn't there for fun and games, but to get serious about winning.


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          • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post

            Ok balderdash (welcome to 1590 Denmark), but ok...……...balderdash -lets go with that.

            What did Gibson lead in that he deserved the MVP? Zippo. Darryl let the league Homers, OPS, OPS+ and SLG. He had more RBI's than Gibson by 32. The reasoning at the time was the Kevin McReynolds stole votes away from Darryl, but that is B.S.

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            If you want to use WAR as your barometer ..........ok. Lets use WAR. The year before Strawberry was jobbed by the anti-NY voters Andre Dawson won the MVP on a last place team.......His WAR was 3.5 That was good for 20th in NL........................Twentieth. So although he eeked out #20 he won the MVP. By the way the Cubs were in last place.

            It was given to Dawson because at that time (1987) we didnt use WAR, OPS, OPS+ etc. It was still homers, rbi's BA, SLG. Yet in 1988 Darryl had Gibson in 3 of those 4 and still lost the MVP.

            Talk about balderdash.

            Now that I have used the word balderdash several times now........I must go. I will meet with Ophelia at once as we have a brunch meeting with Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. We will discuss Polonius and his conniving ways.
            Of course Dawson was a preposterous MVP choice in 1987.
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            • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post
              It was .269 vs. Gibson's .290. With that said Darryl buried him in every other category of the day.
              Afraid not,

              Gibson had a higher average, a higher OBP, more runs scored, more doubles, more stolen bases, a higher offensive winning %, and more times on base. And he did all of this while playing in a worse hitter's park than Shea Stadium.

              Gibson had 31 steals and was caught just 4 times. Straw had 29 steals but was caught 14 times.

              Straw had a lot of help in the Mets lineup, which scored a league high 703 runs for the season. Gibson had very little help in the anemic Dodgers lineup, which scored just 628 runs.
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              • Ryu has his, probably, last start of the year.

                7 IP, 3 ER

                Leads the league with 2.41 ERA. But his 175 IP is much less than DeGrom’s 197, which is going to go over 200 in DeGrom’s next start.

                i might actually put Soroka over Ryu in Cy Young voting

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                • Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                  Afraid not,

                  Gibson had a higher average, a higher OBP, more runs scored, more doubles, more stolen bases, a higher offensive winning %, and more times on base. And he did all of this while playing in a worse hitter's park than Shea Stadium.

                  Gibson had 31 steals and was caught just 4 times. Straw had 29 steals but was caught 14 times.

                  Straw had a lot of help in the Mets lineup, which scored a league high 703 runs for the season. Gibson had very little help in the anemic Dodgers lineup, which scored just 628 runs.
                  Well the MVP award doesn’t have a clear definition but the Dodgers had two 73 win seasons pre Kirk Gibson and won the WS in 1988 with him. Without delving into anything else he seems to be the Most Valuable Player on a team that year.

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                  • Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View Post
                    What fresh hell is this?
                    Where's Shea Knight when you need him?
                    Hey Shakespeare isnt only a Shea Knight thing! LOL

                    Hamlet & MacBeth are two of the best books I ever read.

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                    • Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                      Afraid not,

                      Gibson had a higher average, a higher OBP, more runs scored, more doubles, more stolen bases, a higher offensive winning %, and more times on base. And he did all of this while playing in a worse hitter's park than Shea Stadium.

                      Gibson had 31 steals and was caught just 4 times. Straw had 29 steals but was caught 14 times.

                      Straw had a lot of help in the Mets lineup, which scored a league high 703 runs for the season. Gibson had very little help in the anemic Dodgers lineup, which scored just 628 runs.
                      Gibson had 5 more runs scored, 11 more points in OBP, 1 more double.

                      Darryl had 10 more homers and 32 more RBI's. You want to talk about "more doubles"............ok Darryl had more triples.


                      "They" went out of their way not to give it Strawberry. Way out of their way. How many OF'ers have won the MVP with 28 homers and 76 RBI's before or since without hitting an extremely high average (even then not sure it happened)

                      We will disagree but I think Gibson getting it was absurd. If they had to give it do a Dodger - Hershiser was the choice. Gibson is a joke.
                      Last edited by Paulypal; 09-23-2019, 06:45 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post

                        Gibson had 5 more runs scored, 11 more points in OBP, 1 more double.

                        Darryl had 10 more homers and 32 more RBI's.


                        "They" went out of their way not to give it Strawberry. Way out of their way. How many OF'ers have won the MVP with 28 homers and 76 RBI's before or since without hitting a an extremely high average (even then not sure it happened)

                        We will disagree but I think Gibson getting it was absurd.
                        Over the years there have always been “whispers “ that none other than Keith Hernandez was trying to get Kevin McReynolds votes as MVP to prevent Strae from winning .

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                        • Originally posted by SavoyBG View Post

                          Of course Dawson was a preposterous MVP choice in 1987.
                          As was Gibson in 1988

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                          • Originally posted by mandrake View Post

                            Over the years there have always been “whispers “ that none other than Keith Hernandez was trying to get Kevin McReynolds votes as MVP to prevent Strae from winning .
                            Honestly I would have given it to Kevin McReynolds before Gibson also.

                            No NY Met was winning it - the Mets were a disliked bunch and that is all there was to it.

                            Again - they went way out of their way not to give it to Strawberry and they just made it obvious by giving it to Gibson.

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                            • Originally posted by LI METS FAN View Post

                              And the team that left Brooklyn for greener pastures will have a 31 year drought if they fail again this year.
                              The team that left the Polo Grounds had a 52 year drought in SF. Maybe NY based NL teams or NL teams that originated in NY are cursed. The “not the Yankees” curse.
                              Definitely doesn’t shock me that 33 years since a WS win isn’t a bad thing for you since
                              other teams have longer droughts .

                              At least the Mets are better than the Cleveland Indians who are looking at 71 years - now don’t you feel better already about the Mets 33 years .

                              Acceptance of losing breeds losing . Across town , the NYY fans are having fits that the team hasn’t won in a decade . If only they “loved “ the Yankees as much as Mets fans love their Mets !

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                              • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post

                                How many OF'ers have won the MVP with 28 homers and 76 RBI's before or since without hitting an extremely high average
                                Ever hear of Rickey Henderson? 28 HRs and 61 RBIs in his MVP year.
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