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  • Originally posted by LI METS FAN View Post

    Those four managers have a combined 60+ years experience and 1 WS title among them. It isn’t easy. And they managed some great teams with the best players.
    Which one do you think would have been the best fit for the Mets?
    North of the Big Apple but missing Central Fla :atthepc

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    • Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post

      Ok, so interviewing a bunch of guys with no experience and no WS titles as a manager is a better path to go down? Especially with a team that has a chance to win now.
      Do you honestly think this team has a real chance to win now with Jeff Wilpon and BVW in charge of upper management and the analytics department? Put this team in Tampa Bay with their analytics department and I'd be inclined to agree. Here, you could coax Bobby Cox out of retirement and this team is still not going anywhere except by pure happenstance.

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      • Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post

        In fairness, I though Willie Randolph was a good manager and really got the shaft.
        Willie would have been a excellent manager. The Wilpons and Omar the Trade Maker thought so highly of him that they allowed him to bring in his very own coach!! I can hear it now, if he was so good, how come he never managed after the Mets?
        North of the Big Apple but missing Central Fla :atthepc

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        • Originally posted by brooklynboy View Post

          Which one do you think would have been the best fit for the Mets?
          I think they're all decent managers, but of those four, my first choice for the Mets would've probably been Girardi, followed by Baker, Gibbons, then Showalter. To be honest, the only one I would've preferred over Rojas was Girardi. Again, tho, I like them all.

          I'll say again that I think they did okay on this one.
          Put it in the books.

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          • Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post

            If they are bringing him back, put him on the 25 man roster and make him the backup. Nido is not nearly as good as Rivera.
            Does this mean they've got their backup catcher? Will they carry both Rivera and Nido? Should they?

            And finally, does this mean a centerfielder is now their focus, or are they gonna go with things as is?
            Put it in the books.

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            • Originally posted by milladrive View Post

              Does this mean they've got their backup catcher? Will they carry both Rivera and Nido? Should they?

              And finally, does this mean a centerfielder is now their focus, or are they gonna go with things as is?
              There is a lot of buzz around Marte today. It wouldn't surprise me if he is manning CF next year.

              I'd cut ties with Nido either way. He can't hit and he has a weak arm. He is not a good backup C.

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              • Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post

                Do you honestly think this team has a real chance to win now with Jeff Wilpon and BVW in charge of upper management and the analytics department? Put this team in Tampa Bay with their analytics department and I'd be inclined to agree. Here, you could coax Bobby Cox out of retirement and this team is still not going anywhere except by pure happenstance.
                I think they have enough talent to win and should have a more than watchable season. Believe it or not I am looking forward to this season and would have felt much better with a guy like Girardi than an unproven guy, Beltran or Rojas.

                I think baseball is all about percentages. Make moves that have the highest chance of success and chances are you will be successful.

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                • Originally posted by rjsallstars View Post

                  Ok, so interviewing a bunch of guys with no experience and no WS titles as a manager is a better path to go down? Especially with a team that has a chance to win now.
                  We’ll find out won’t we? But Rojas does have experience. Should be interesting.

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                  • Originally posted by brooklynboy View Post

                    Which one do you think would have been the best fit for the Mets?
                    I’m good with none of the above.

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                    • Originally posted by LI METS FAN View Post

                      I’m good with none of the above.
                      So you are happy with internal selections? Is it because they come cheap or are good stooges?? Yes I know Rojas knows the system and the players.. Perhaps a little too much.
                      North of the Big Apple but missing Central Fla :atthepc

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                      • Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post

                        There is a lot of buzz around Marte today. It wouldn't surprise me if he is manning CF next year.

                        I'd cut ties with Nido either way. He can't hit and he has a weak arm. He is not a good backup C.
                        Marté is not a need. The Pirates are hungry to dump his salary. They'd practically have to give him to the Mets for free, for the deal to be worthwhile. Nimmo outproduces him in CF, if healthy.

                        I could see them packaging Dom Smith with Lowrie, to get rid of Lowrie's salary, and make both moves payroll neutral. In the process, the Mets would be shipping out more value than they'd be acquiring.

                        The Cano deal should have humbled Jeff and Brodie, but I fear they're too stupid and arrogant to stand pat.

                        Nido is a good pitch framer. Check out the Mets' pitchers' splits, with Nido and Ramos.


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                        • Originally posted by Mongoose View Post

                          The Cano deal should have humbled Jeff and Brodie, but I fear they're too stupid and arrogant to stand pat.

                          Nido is a good pitch framer. Check out the Mets' pitchers' splits, with Nido and Ramos.
                          Would it really surprise you if they traded Jiminez, Peterson and Nimmo for Marte? BVW doesn't seem to value any of the team's prospects and seems to have a disdain for anyone Alderson was high on.

                          As for Nido, yes, compared to Ramos, he is a better pitch framer. Rivera is a better all around catcher and knows how to frame pitches and what good is framing pitches if every time a player makes it safely to first, they can turn it into a triple? Nido's CS is pretty bad. It was 8% last year. Ramos was 15% and League Avg last season was 26%. For their careers, Ramos is at league avg CS%. Nido is 50% below to go with 1/3 the offense.

                          For the three,

                          1. Wilson Ramos is the best offensively and average defensively. Pitch Framing stats placed him in the 25% percentile last season.
                          2. Rene Rivera is below average offensively. Defensively, his last full season saw a CS% of 44% and for his career, he is at 36%. That is well above league average. He is also in the 55th percentile for pitch framing.
                          3. Tomas Nido is well below average offensively (bottom 10%). Defensively, he is slightly below average. CS%, he is one of the worst in the league. The only justification I can see in having him on the team next year is to fill the roster spot of the no longer needed lefty specialist as a 3rd catcher so that he can come in to catch Familia, Bettances and Diaz.

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                          • Originally posted by brooklynboy View Post

                            So you are happy with internal selections? Is it because they come cheap or are good stooges?? Yes I know Rojas knows the system and the players.. Perhaps a little too much.
                            Among the lowest paid managers in MLB in 2019?
                            World Champion manager Martinez.

                            I don’t know about you, but my co-workers and I were annoyed when management went outside our group for promotions instead of hiring from within. Doesn’t mean the outside person wasn’t good, just annoyance at not giving a chance to someone who, say, was employed with the organization since 2007.

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                            • Originally posted by Mongoose View Post

                              Marté is not a need. The Pirates are hungry to dump his salary. They'd practically have to give him to the Mets for free, for the deal to be worthwhile. Nimmo outproduces him in CF, if healthy.

                              I could see them packaging Dom Smith with Lowrie, to get rid of Lowrie's salary, and make both moves payroll neutral. In the process, the Mets would be shipping out more value than they'd be acquiring.

                              The Cano deal should have humbled Jeff and Brodie, but I fear they're too stupid and arrogant to stand pat.

                              Nido is a good pitch framer. Check out the Mets' pitchers' splits, with Nido and Ramos.
                              Not only is Marte not a need - he will be a detriment especially if Nimmo is going back to Pittsburgh. This is a bad trade just waiting to happen.

                              Trading for a 31 year CF'er with declining defensive skills is so Mets. A -9 DRS is not a reason for a poor defensive team to go out and get that player.


                              All this means is that you can probably pre-order your Marte jersey with Mets on the front, and set aside July 24th as Starling Marte bobblehead night at Citi Field.
                              Last edited by Paulypal; 01-24-2020, 09:43 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by Paulypal View Post

                                Not only is Marte not a need - he will be a detriment especially if Nimmo is going back to Pittsburgh. This is a bad trade just waiting to happen.

                                Trading for a 31 year CF'er with declining defensive skills is so Mets. A -9 DRS is not a reason for a poor defensive team to go out and get that player.


                                All this means is that you can probably pre-order your Marte jersey with Mets on the front, and set aside July 24th as Starling Marte bobblehead night at Citi Field.
                                In all fairness, 31 should not be considered too old to play CF. 34-35, yes, but 31 is a stretch. If Marte is your CF and Nimmo is on the roster, he should be the LF. I hope nobody has Cespedes penciled in for LF now. He has been out for the last 2 years. JD Davis or Smith have to go but having a left handed outfielder and backup 1st baseman on the roster is more important to me than JD Davis. Marte for the next 2 years at his natural position of CF makes this team better in my opinion.

                                I think the Marisnick signing makes little sense if they are still thinking about Marte. I think they are set up for a Nimmo/Marisnick platoon but feel a team looking to get into the playoffs has a better chance with Marte in CF.

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